Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • Posts: 16,163
    I always liked his LALD haircut as well. In fact he looked younger with it. His hair on Good Morning America promoting AVTAK was more LALD in length and it took years off his face.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Roger Moore looks good, always.

    Having said that, he looked his best in LALD imho. Then TSWLM I would say, I love him in his Commander's uniform!
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    Roger Moore looks good, always.

    Having said that, he looked his best in LALD imho. Then TSWLM I would say, I love him in his Commander's uniform!

    He looks good to this day. The man is a great example of class, style, charm and elegance.
  • Birdleson wrote: »
    I think he looked best in LALD.

    He did... and would look successively worse.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I think he looked best in LALD.

    He did... and would look successively worse.
    No different from any other Bond actor really. They all look their best in their first two imho. The benefit of youth.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Craig has aged the best throughout his tenure out of all of them, Dalton and Lazenby excluded.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    That was deliberate though, to make him look washed out and disheveled. He looked much more fresh-faced in SP.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited January 2017 Posts: 10,591
    In fact, the man looks better here (if a little drunk) than he did four years ago in SF.

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    I said this long ago and it will happen.

    Craig will step into Brosnan's shoes. Ten years from now people in general will not have a more favourable opinion of Craig than they have of Brosnan.

    Like @GoldenGun says. The previous actor always gets a bad rap.

    There are already striking similarities between the two eras Brosnan and Craig.
    In the late 20s the 00's to mid 10's films will be seen as dated as now the Brosnan films are seen.

    Also in 10 years circa, CR will remain the only Craig film that is regarded as one of the best in the series. Another similarity to Brosnan who will always be up there with the other actors as GE is an eternal classic.

    Connery and Moore don't have a bad rep generally? I don't think the public regard GE as a classic either. It's hardly up there with Goldfinger in popularity.
  • edited January 2017 Posts: 11,189
    Amongst my/our generation GoldenEye is still pretty popular but outside of that I think its reputation more mixed.

    That said I do remember JBR doing an interview with Peter Lamont, who said it was one he really liked.
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    It hasn't dated well unfortunately...
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I don't see it that way at all.
  • Posts: 19,339
    jake24 wrote: »
    I don't see it that way at all.
    That's why we are all unique Jake ;)

  • Posts: 11,189
    I'm fond of GE but I admit the "techy" look to the film has dated it.
  • BAIN123 wrote: »
    Amongst my/our generation GoldenEye is still pretty popular but outside of that I think its reputation more mixed.

    That said I do remember JBR doing an interview with Peter Lamont, who said it was one he really liked.

    I've personally found that with guys who are now in their 20s/30s and who are not particularly James Bond fans, GoldenEye is the single most often requested Bond film to throw on to watch. In fact it seems to be the only Bond film they seem to be familiar with or think highly of. No doubt memories of the N64 game are a factor here, but then the content of the game was very directly based upon the film itself and amongst Bond films GoldenEye does have its own very special vibe and identity. For a generation at least, GoldenEye far surpasses Goldfinger in popularity.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Imho, although now quaintly dated, GE is the best Bond film since TSWLM, and it's still the most recent Bond film that I can put in the blu ray player without a care in the world and enjoy like the old classics. QoS comes close, but there's still the Vesper baggage to contend with.
  • Posts: 11,189
    For me GE was certainly a far more defining film growing up than GF.

    In fact I remember watching a few minutes of GF on tv a few years beforehand in the 1990s. Remember watching the moment Bond playfully pushes Jill back on the bed when talking to Felix.

    It wasn't enough though to really get me hooked
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Imho, although now quaintly dated, GE is the best Bond film since TSWLM, and it's still the most recent Bond film that I can put in the blu ray player without a care in the world and enjoy like the old classics. QoS comes close, but there's still the Vesper baggage to contend with.

    I'll carry that baggage.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Imho, although now quaintly dated, GE is the best Bond film since TSWLM, and it's still the most recent Bond film that I can put in the blu ray player without a care in the world and enjoy like the old classics. QoS comes close, but there's still the Vesper baggage to contend with.

    I can enjoy SP up there with the classics as well.

    I like that phrase "without a care in the world." That describes for me all the 60's Bonds perfectly.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Amongst my/our generation GoldenEye is still pretty popular but outside of that I think its reputation more mixed.

    That said I do remember JBR doing an interview with Peter Lamont, who said it was one he really liked.

    I've personally found that with guys who are now in their 20s/30s and who are not particularly James Bond fans, GoldenEye is the single most often requested Bond film to throw on to watch. In fact it seems to be the only Bond film they seem to be familiar with or think highly of. No doubt memories of the N64 game are a factor here, but then the content of the game was very directly based upon the film itself and amongst Bond films GoldenEye does have its own very special vibe and identity. For a generation at least, GoldenEye far surpasses Goldfinger in popularity.

    But for the rest of the world GF is the better film and the blueprint of the series.
  • Posts: 16,163
    suavejmf wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Amongst my/our generation GoldenEye is still pretty popular but outside of that I think its reputation more mixed.

    That said I do remember JBR doing an interview with Peter Lamont, who said it was one he really liked.

    I've personally found that with guys who are now in their 20s/30s and who are not particularly James Bond fans, GoldenEye is the single most often requested Bond film to throw on to watch. In fact it seems to be the only Bond film they seem to be familiar with or think highly of. No doubt memories of the N64 game are a factor here, but then the content of the game was very directly based upon the film itself and amongst Bond films GoldenEye does have its own very special vibe and identity. For a generation at least, GoldenEye far surpasses Goldfinger in popularity.

    But for the rest of the world GF is the better film and the blueprint of the series.

    I'm certainly of the GE generation that feels GoldenEye doesn't hold a candle to Goldfinger. I do love GE, but I'd take Auric over Alec any day. Barry over Serra, and Oddjob over Boris. Pussy and Xenia, though, I declare a tie.
  • Posts: 11,189
    I agree now that GF is certainly the superior film. However, I had a much more personal connection to GE as an impressionable teenager. I can't pretend otherwise. I liked GF but I adored GE.
  • edited January 2017 Posts: 6,844
    suavejmf wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Amongst my/our generation GoldenEye is still pretty popular but outside of that I think its reputation more mixed.

    That said I do remember JBR doing an interview with Peter Lamont, who said it was one he really liked.

    I've personally found that with guys who are now in their 20s/30s and who are not particularly James Bond fans, GoldenEye is the single most often requested Bond film to throw on to watch. In fact it seems to be the only Bond film they seem to be familiar with or think highly of. No doubt memories of the N64 game are a factor here, but then the content of the game was very directly based upon the film itself and amongst Bond films GoldenEye does have its own very special vibe and identity. For a generation at least, GoldenEye far surpasses Goldfinger in popularity.

    But for the rest of the world GF is the better film and the blueprint of the series.

    Well, we're talking about what the "world" views as their favorite James Bond film, right? For a whole generation of non-Bond fans that would appear to be GoldenEye. As we move forward in time and new generations of filmgoers replace older generations of filmgoers, you'll see a shift in perceptions over what the most popular Bond film is. GoldenEye has already created one such shift. Casino Royale very likely another, though certainly not to the degree GoldenEye did. Does that mean if you polled the entire world that Goldfinger wouldn't still win out over GoldenEye today? Not at all. But if you polled an entire generation, that very likely would be the case; and again, as we move forward through time, more shifts in the balance will likely occur. Or at least we should hope they will or else that means EON aren't doing their job and the days of new 007 classics are over for good.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    Most of the world haven't seen enough Bond films to make an informed decision what their favourite is. They just latch onto popular opinion, or 'goldfinger' - the one with the aston and oddjob
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    GOLDENEYE is for my generations what GOLDFINGER is for the older generations. CASINO ROYALE joined that club with the generation that is now 30 to 35.

    There's no doubt in the long run GF, TSWLM, GE and CR are the four films that will always be considered the best of the classics. All others fall behind, all of them will have followers, I'm talking about the general audience.
    It does not even make much sense to rank those four. All are from different eras.
    The 60s Bonds in general will remain special, because...it was the 60s really. A decade of class, style and spy thrillers that also were fun. But in the end it will be Goldfinger that'll be remembered.

    I have no doubt EON will produce another such classic once a new actor has taken the role.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Here's something that might start debate;

    The EON Bond series would be better off if McClory had been allowed to produce his own, competing Bond film series. Competition improves products, and if a competing series was still running today it might be the kick in the pants that EON needs to stop the mismanagement and get the series moving. Given enough time, McClory might have even begun producing some genuinely good Bond films (not that I don't already like NSNA; I prefer it to TB). That said, I do think that McClory was a jerk.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    When I discovered the Bond films one after the other from 1988 to 1992 I even didn't realise NSNA wasn't an "official" one. I just thought, hey great, Connery did another when he was older.

    NSNA gets too much hate, it's a question of prejudice imo.

    Yes McClory may have been a jerk, so may BB be, Harry may have been one too. That's unimportant. They all produced great films.
  • edited January 2017 Posts: 6,844
    Here's something that might start debate;

    The EON Bond series would be better off if McClory had been allowed to produce his own, competing Bond film series. Competition improves products, and if a competing series was still running today it might be the kick in the pants that EON needs to stop the mismanagement and get the series moving. Given enough time, McClory might have even begun producing some genuinely good Bond films (not that I don't already like NSNA; I prefer it to TB). That said, I do think that McClory was a jerk.

    I'll take the contrary view to that. The one and only time EON was up against rival 007 competition (with the return of Sean Connery to the tux nonetheless), their response was Octopussy. Now, Octopussy is by no means a bad Bond film, but we've seen better Bond films before and since without the competition of any rival 007s. So competition clearly did not necessarily make Octopussy a stronger film, nor did lack of competition hold back any of the stronger Bond films the series has seen.

    Besides, Bond already has competition in the form of other blockbusters. As some have mentioned on this forum already, the M:I films have certainly been delivering the goods (real-life stunts, imaginative action sequences, a relaxed and swaggering sense of humor) where the Bond films of late perhaps have not. EON has competition. Whether or not they understand that is another story.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    When I discovered the Bond films one after the other from 1988 to 1992 I even didn't realise NSNA wasn't an "official" one. I just thought, hey great, Connery did another when he was older.

    NSNA gets too much hate, it's a question of prejudice imo.

    Yes McClory may have been a jerk, so may BB be, Harry may have been one too. That's unimportant. They all produced great films.

    @BondJasonBond006 I thought the same thing. I actually hate TB, and I thought NSNA was made because TB was so bad it needed remaking. I find the first half of NSNA to be a bit dull, but after that I really enjoy it.
    Here's something that might start debate;

    The EON Bond series would be better off if McClory had been allowed to produce his own, competing Bond film series. Competition improves products, and if a competing series was still running today it might be the kick in the pants that EON needs to stop the mismanagement and get the series moving. Given enough time, McClory might have even begun producing some genuinely good Bond films (not that I don't already like NSNA; I prefer it to TB). That said, I do think that McClory was a jerk.

    I'll take the contrary view to that. The one and only time EON was up against rival 007 competition (with the return of Sean Connery to the tux nonetheless), their response was Octopussy. Now, Octopussy is by no means a bad Bond film, but we've seen better Bond films before and since without the competition of any rival 007s. So competition clearly did not necessarily make Octopussy a stronger film, nor did lack of competition hold back any of the stronger Bond films the series has seen.

    Besides, Bond already has competition in the form of other blockbusters. As some have mentioned on this forum already, the M:I films have certainly been delivering the goods (real-life stunts, imaginative action sequences, a relaxed and swaggering sense of humor) where the Bond films of late perhaps have not. EON has competition. Whether or not they understand that is another story.

    I think you're on to something there. However, I think a continuing, successful competing Bond series might be "too close to home" for EON and could knock them out of their current complacency. NSNA was by no means a failure, but it wasn't a huge success either and didn't start a competing series, and I doubt EON every really feared it would. If there was another Bond series that was a genuine rival to EON's, and was putting them in a financial and creative pinch, they would have to respond to it.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Amongst my/our generation GoldenEye is still pretty popular but outside of that I think its reputation more mixed.

    That said I do remember JBR doing an interview with Peter Lamont, who said it was one he really liked.

    I've personally found that with guys who are now in their 20s/30s and who are not particularly James Bond fans, GoldenEye is the single most often requested Bond film to throw on to watch. In fact it seems to be the only Bond film they seem to be familiar with or think highly of. No doubt memories of the N64 game are a factor here, but then the content of the game was very directly based upon the film itself and amongst Bond films GoldenEye does have its own very special vibe and identity. For a generation at least, GoldenEye far surpasses Goldfinger in popularity.

    But for the rest of the world GF is the better film and the blueprint of the series.

    Well, we're talking about what the "world" views as their favorite James Bond film, right? For a whole generation of non-Bond fans that would appear to be GoldenEye. As we move forward in time and new generations of filmgoers replace older generations of filmgoers, you'll see a shift in perceptions over what the most popular Bond film is. GoldenEye has already created one such shift. Casino Royale very likely another, though certainly not to the degree GoldenEye did. Does that mean if you polled the entire world that Goldfinger wouldn't still win out over GoldenEye today? Not at all. But if you polled an entire generation, that very likely would be the case; and again, as we move forward through time, more shifts in the balance will likely occur. Or at least we should hope they will or else that means EON aren't doing their job and the days of new 007 classics are over for good.

    In movie lists such as 100 best movies ever made or 100 films to see before you die, GF is often mentioned. However, GE never is.
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