Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    No way. But I can see why some prefer it. Agreed.

    Thunderball is the worst film in the series

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    One of my personal favourites and certainly on my top five, "Thunderball" is one of the most well rounded Bond adventures to date. Exotic locations, beautiful women, battle sequences, gadgets, suspense, terrific music, and a memorable villain add up to the best of the "popcorn" Bond movies. Terrific entertainment and very faithful to Fleming! It's madness to have it in the bottom 5, pure madness. I would go as far as saying that those who don't like TB, don't really like Fleming or Bond.

    I agree. It also adds a mysterious astomsphere in the first half and that typical 60's elegance to the mix.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Yes. Combined with Young's first class eye for style. It's elegant.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited February 2017 Posts: 7,110
    RC7 wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »

    And SKYFALL is the best Bond film since FRWL. No kidding, and therefore no addition of "It's true. People tell me that all the time."

    I'm afraid I must disagree, Skyfall is the most anti-Bondian film of the whole franchise. 007 is no longer a gentleman spy with class but a worn-out, beardy bodybuilder who drinks Heineken from the bottle and plays working class bar games with scorpions. This film portrays a "Bond" for the politically correct masses who lost his elegance and with that basically his essence.

    'Working class bar games with scorpions' - so PC. Fuck are you on about?

    It has become part of our PC society to make every hero so working class as possible. Skyfall is the prime example of that in the Bond series.

    You are welcome to disagree of course. That's just how I feel about it.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Yes. Combined with Young's first class eye for style. It's elegant.

    There is some sloppy writing here and there but TB is one of those Bond films that successfully blends all the right ingredients.
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    GetCarter wrote: »
    Hagrid is bad in GE and TWINE. Wish they'd gotten a Russian.

    I dislike getting British actors to play foreigners.

    Yes he talked about drowning in his own caviar in a very thick Scottish accent - 'let me oot'
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited February 2017 Posts: 13,978
    SPECTRE is better than skyfall

    I'll agree with you on that. Skyfall is highly praised, but it doesn't feel like a Bond film. Spectre isn't perfect, but at least it feels more like a Bond film. I would have nothing against Mendes directing another Bond film, providing he make his third film a straight forward Bond film. But that isn't going to happen.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    It's madness to have it in the bottom 5, pure madness. I would go as far as saying that those who don't like TB, don't really like Fleming or Bond.
    No matter how many times I read it, I still can't wrap my head around this statement.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    No way. But I can see why some prefer it. Agreed.

    Thunderball is the worst film in the series

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    One of my personal favourites and certainly on my top five, "Thunderball" is one of the most well rounded Bond adventures to date. Exotic locations, beautiful women, battle sequences, gadgets, suspense, terrific music, and a memorable villain add up to the best of the "popcorn" Bond movies. Terrific entertainment and very faithful to Fleming! It's madness to have it in the bottom 5, pure madness.

    In full agreement. TB is a classic and is pure Bond. It has everything. I also agree with @echo that it could have been maybe 20mins shorter but still, it's a quintessential Bond film that sits firmly in the top 5.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Thunderball does drag in certain spots. I usually watch the PTS and the spectre meeting then skip to when Bond leaves Shrublands. That area in between does nothing for me. The same can be said in YOLT. After the Little Nellie fight, the space capture sequence and the ninja training/Bond becomes Japanese drags for me as well. Considering how much fun I have watching up until that it just drops off until Bond actually discovers the volcano lair. Now that i think of it, there are a lot of areas in the films that don't do much.

    After Bond and Kara escape the airbase until he returns.

    Both sequences on the Wavekrest.

    Most of the San Francisco bits in AVTAK.

    The Neptune sequence in FYEO.

  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Lol, True. I guess SKYFALL and Thunderball are too boring for him.

    I think ur getting it now
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    No way. But I can see why some prefer it. Agreed.

    Thunderball is the worst film in the series

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    One of my personal favourites and certainly on my top five, "Thunderball" is one of the most well rounded Bond adventures to date. Exotic locations, beautiful women, battle sequences, gadgets, suspense, terrific music, and a memorable villain add up to the best of the "popcorn" Bond movies. Terrific entertainment and very faithful to Fleming! It's madness to have it in the bottom 5, pure madness. I would go as far as saying that those who don't like TB, don't really like Fleming or Bond.

    I see what your saying but I have read most of the novels that's why I'm huge on from Russia With Love because I feel like that movie really captures the book correctly however with regards to thunderball it's just after Goldfinger which really cements the bond formula comes this film that really just slowes everything right down and on top of it doesn't make sense and has laughable back screen.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    SPECTRE is better than skyfall

    I'll agree with you on that. Skyfall is highly praised, but it doesn't feel like a Bond film. Spectre isn't perfect, but at least it feels more like a Bond film. I would have nothing against Mendes directing another Bond film, providing he make his third film a straight forward Bond film. But that isn't going to happen.

    I'm 100% on board with what ur saying here however I'm sick of mended I really want to see someone else step in and hit another casino Royale hit run
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    pachazo wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    It's madness to have it in the bottom 5, pure madness. I would go as far as saying that those who don't like TB, don't really like Fleming or Bond.
    No matter how many times I read it, I still can't wrap my head around this statement.

    Yup
  • GBFGBF
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Yes. Combined with Young's first class eye for style. It's elegant.

    There is some sloppy writing here and there but TB is one of those Bond films that successfully blends all the right ingredients.

    I guess that Thunderball and Skyfull are very similar in the way that they are visually beautifull and benefit from a great cinematography and an overall great look. I am not so keen on both plots. I find that both films have many plot holes and have some obvious flaws where you just think "that does not make any sense" .

    The whole health spa scene, the behaviour of the spectre agents (not at all trying to hide their identity), Bond and Felix chat in the hotel room are the best examples for that in TB.

    Skyfall's most obvious obscure plot points are: Silva's escape, Silva's motivation, Bond's plan to protect M...

    So I guess the writers are to blame here. The execution however was pretty fine in both films.
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    I thought Coltrane was good in GE despite his dodgy accent.

    His explanation of the Kossacks is delivered well.

    TWINE maybe not so good.
  • TheSharkFromJawsTheSharkFromJaws Amity Island Waters
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    One of my personal favourites and certainly on my top five, "Thunderball" is one of the most well rounded Bond adventures to date. Exotic locations, beautiful women, battle sequences, gadgets, suspense, terrific music, and a memorable villain add up to the best of the "popcorn" Bond movies. Terrific entertainment and very faithful to Fleming! It's madness to have it in the bottom 5, pure madness. I would go as far as saying that those who don't like TB, don't really like Fleming or Bond.
    Absolutely. My second favorite of the whole series. Everything I love about Bond blended together into one great film. I can understand not liking it as much as others, but calling it the worst or even just bottom five is absurd.

  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Not sure how Bond has become working class when he wears Tom Ford Suits and Omega Watches?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I thought Coltrane was good in GE despite his dodgy accent.

    His explanation of the Kossacks is delivered well.

    TWINE maybe not so good.

    Coltrane is great in both films. But his presence in TWINE is purely for comic relief.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited February 2017 Posts: 7,110
    Not sure how Bond has become working class when he wears Tom Ford Suits and Omega Watches?

    There is a difference between expensive items and elegance. Bond isn't elegant in SF and that bothers me. You can wear whatever expensive stuff you like, if you start drinking Heineken from the bottle and you shave your hair like a bouncer you are still a streetworker in a suit.

  • SPECTRE is better than skyfall

    Definitely agree. Wouldn't call that overly controversial.

  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited February 2017 Posts: 1,756
    I've expressed this before but I think most of Binder's opening titles are utter garbage. FRWL, GF: absolutely iconic (Designed by Robert Brownjohn). Then we have these stupid titles with Binder that don't really make any sense and the girls move around like they don't even know what they're doing either but they're getting paid. The only Binder opening I liked was TSWLM.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    FRWL and GF are by Robert Brownjohn, not Binder.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    FRWL and GF are by Robert Brownjohn, not Binder.

    I know, I forgot to mention that.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    But DN is also by Binder.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    But DN is also by Binder.

    fixed.

  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Binder did produce a lot of crap, but DN, TB (particularly) and TSWLM contain a few of my favorite PTS' from the series.

    DN is cool I admit, but I'm not really sure what Binder was going for in that sequence. Merely serves as a nice looking sequence.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Binders camera fettish in the LTK sequence is horrible
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I quite like LTK's titles, as well as the also despised AVTAK titles.
  • jake24 wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I thought Coltrane was good in GE despite his dodgy accent.

    His explanation of the Kossacks is delivered well.

    TWINE maybe not so good.

    Coltrane is great in both films. But his presence in TWINE is purely for comic relief.

    Agreed in the sense that he largely served the role of comedic relief in TWINE, but he was integral to the plot and they did give him a dignified end.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited February 2017 Posts: 7,314
    suavejmf wrote: »
    One of my personal favourites and certainly on my top five, "Thunderball" is one of the most well rounded Bond adventures to date. Exotic locations, beautiful women, battle sequences, gadgets, suspense, terrific music, and a memorable villain add up to the best of the "popcorn" Bond movies. Terrific entertainment and very faithful to Fleming! It's madness to have it in the bottom 5, pure madness. I would go as far as saying that those who don't like TB, don't really like Fleming or Bond.
    Absolutely. My second favorite of the whole series. Everything I love about Bond blended together into one great film. I can understand not liking it as much as others, but calling it the worst or even just bottom five is absurd.

    I fail to see how it's so absurd. In fact, I'm beginning to think that TB is the most overrated film on this site by quite some margin. Of course it has elements that I can enjoy, particularly any scene with Fiona in it, but so much of it is a long, boring mess that you have to slog your way through.

    There's an amazing lack of tension throughout the film when it should be full of it. Much of it feels like we're just following Connery around while he's vacationing in the Bahamas. Some of the casting choices were uninspired. Auger is beautiful yet incredibly bland. Celi as Largo is very dull, he has the personality of a toaster. Van Nutter can't act worth a lick.

    The editing is sloppy in places. That last underwater battle becomes very frustrating to watch because it just goes on forever. The Shrublands sequence feels wasted, as there's really no good reason for Bond to be there. The PTS is corny as hell. And I could go on and on.
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