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I wouldn't agree with that, but they are both very 80s. Octopussy's used a rather colorful palette, and I found it perhaps unintentionally cheesy at times with the combination of guys swinging girls around and Rita Coolidge's ultra-romantic singing. A View to a Kill went the day-glo route, primarily focusing on an ice vs. fire theme years ahead of DAD, and had a darker, more mysterious, more espionage-like feel thanks to Duran Duran. I don't find them quite as synonymous as say L&LD and TMWTGG or TLD and LTK, though even those are distinguished by their songs and visual themes.
His suits are too tight
Here's my controversial statement: the long/slow bits are part of its strength and more Bond movies should have them.
I agree. TB is a dull mess and a chore to sit through. I actually prefer NSNA.
Finally some people who don't love the accident that is thunderball I can't see how people think that TB is top 5 because their so many solid entertaining bond films I think TND is better does he Community like TND?
TND is my favorite Bond movie!
I really enjoy TB but honestly can any hardcore TB fan tell me this scene isn't stupid?
hahahahahahahahaha i guess everyone has their own ideal bond
However, it doesn't have the style, glamour, atmosphere or dialogue of TB imho. I've noticed a few folks here slamming the Shrublands section. I personally really enjoy that part. The film slows down and allows Connery to do some snooping about and Barry delivers some great musical motifs during this bit. Moreover, we have Pat and mink, which is always worth watching.
I certainly wouldn't call it stupid. I think it fits in with Bonds time at Shrublands very well. It provides Patricia with some comfort from Bond, but also continues the flirtatious manner of their relationship.
It also provides an opportunity for Count Lippe to make a failed attempt on Bonds life.
I have no issue with it myself. Maybe dated in todays world, but it's part of the fun of TB.
That's the spirit! I find it disheartening that we have Bond fans warring over/cutting down TB and TND alike!
Anyone down for a TB/TND double feature?
If we add QOS to that I'm down
You're speaking my language! Those are 3 of my top 10!
I might just try that sometime.
Oh, I don't mind the Shrublands part. It's when Bond and Felix go searching in the 'copter that TB gets *really* slow (and of course Volpe is gone by then).
I can appreciate the first underwater sequence when they're stealing the bombs. There's an eeriness to it that really fits the mood, illustrating just how sinister SPECTRE can be. But it's not only the underwater stuff that bothers me. I just find myself completely bored during many of the long-drawn-out moments in TB. By contrast, I think that DN and FRWL are filled with (mostly) excellent slow moving parts.
That he does, no question about it. I'll give you that one. How many times has Barry elevated a scene with his brilliance?
Just watchted DAF, I love how Connery unmasks Wint & Kidd because he knows Mouton Rothschild is a claret.
I agree but do you think it would really work today? Or wouldn't it sound too snobbish? I guess back in the 60s it worked very well if you believe Bond was born in the early 30s and he grew up before the roaring 60s where many of this elitist behaviours became unpopular. Until AVTAK Bond - now in his mid50s - still made sense as a more elegant person. However, after that the producers were aware that they needed to update Bond. Or can you believe that a modern Bond would say the "listening to the Beatles without earmuffs" phrase? I quite like Dalton's approach.
I'd also like him to outsmart or show off his general knowledge, without sounding like a professor. The Carcharodon carcharias line in LTK is good. The super fast math in TWINE is not.
I wish Bond's skills had more limitations. Or does Bond really need to know everything, speak every language, be faster than everyone, be stronger than everyone, be smarter than everyone else? Why does he always need to win in every card game? The films become very predictable if you know that Bond is always better?
I would like Bond to be a skilled and competent agent but not a superhuman one. He should not be a superhero who is invincible. Don't make us believe that he can survive a fall from an extremly high bridge or a free fall from a plane.
People tend to label once's actions all to easily as snobbery these days. There is a difference between bragging with expensive items and being a conoisseur. The former is too nouveau riche, the latter is unquestionably elegant. Many won't know the difference however.
You mention Dalton, but Tim also delivered the conoisseur quite well even though he did it more subtle than his predecessors. I absolutely love how he finds the champagne brand listed 'questionable' in TLD.
I think Bond has lost this typical trope of his and I regret that as I think it is essential. Now that we're on it, I would love him to play another round of golf as well.
It bothers me more and more that he is somehow a pilot. What's his type rating? Does he spend all his spare weekends putting in flight hours so he can keep his licence?
I really appreciate the few times he sits back and lets someone else take the controls. Especially LTK, when he lets a girl fly him.
I also liked the rather subtle approach in TLD. It is a very good compromise and it doesn't feel forced to me. Bond is credible as someone who likes classical music, has a good taste and cares about fashion and style (Vienna).
I was just saying that you should always keep in mind that each Bond character belongs to a specific period in time and I am not sure if a very elegant Bond was as popular as the rather ordinary Bond played by Craig right now.
I guess that Craig is just too physical and rude to be credible in the role of a very elegant person. I just would not believe it if Craig cared so very much about fashion and style.
So I really hope that Craig's successor will be less physically strong but more elgant and smarter.
Agreed.