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Bond is so much more than the basic nuts-and-bolts plots they all have. Its a package of action, cinematography, one-liners, bond music and just general 'Bond-isms". And for that, Skyfall wins every time. It just excites me more.
Though CR easily has the better Bond Girls...
Madeline's theme is a better romantic theme than Vesper's theme.
Where I think it succeeded was on a visceral level with the audience (and with me as well). It may have been a case of 'style over substance', but what style it was! It resonated at an instinctual level with the public. Maybe it was the revenge story. Maybe it was because we cared about the characters and their motivations. Maybe it was because of the style and flair of the cinematography. Maybe it was because it wasn't as 'downer' as the same year's TDKR (it's biggest competitor). I'm not sure what it was, but it certainly was the 'feel good' film of the year for me, in the sense that I came out of the theatre thinking EON had delivered something different and special for the 50th anniversary. It was definitely 'Mendes meets Bond' in a good way imho.
While I'm sure many will disagree, I think SF has similarities to FRWL on a stylistic level, in the sense that they are both deeply impactful Bond films which are very different from other entries in the canon. These sort of entries can only come along once in a while imho, to punctuate the era.
When I was your age I prioritized action over style, glamour, dialogue & atmosphere. As I've said before, my favourite Connery was YOLT when I was young. I couldn't stand FRWL. These days, I'm the opposite. In fact, I think action can be quite boring if not properly integrated with story and atmosphere, because we've pretty much seen it all before.
I think SF is a nice balance between a talky spy film and an action oriented one. It's certainly no MI-GP, but it's not Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy or Smiley's People either. It sits nicely in the middle, like FRWL. I think it succeeded at what it wanted to achieve.
Okay fair enough what do u think of DAD I just watched it and despite it being the worst bond movie I don't actually hate it because it's so silly and makes no sense and is so bad that I can't help but think that's it's better than the world is not enough because at least is knows it's garbage and doesn't pretend to be anything and just embraces the silliest bond film ever while I love harder casino Royale LTK bond I don't hate DAD because it is still entertaining if u turn your brain off
Yeah I think Brosnan is great as bond and really puts a certain entertainment to his bond performance and I would like to relate DAD to diamonds Are Forever as that is a film that is kinda silly but doesn't work for me as well as this one does DAD is a terrible bond films and a terrible movie in general and had I been around for bond with this one in the theatre I would have been upset, but as I'm rewatching these bond films in order I've reached this one and it's really refreshing and very entertaining I can't help but saying that I enjoyed watching it
I agree, when DAD turns, around the 40 min mark,it really turns. Sure, the dialogue was insipid and the invisible car, robot suit ect where utterly ridiculous. The thing is, it is still quite a spectacular film, and it sticks to the old Cubby edict of "Every penny onscreen" so I cant hate it for that. And Toby Stephens shit eating grin.
The frustrating thing about TWINE is that, with a few tweaks, and a more capable action director(I know Apted has always been highly rated but I dont see it) it could have been excellent. The basic premise of Bond being in love with the villain, then having to kill her in cold blood is magnificent. There is just too much ham fisted stuff around it. It is neither feast or fowl( reallly hardcore Bond fans will see what I did there!) And ends up executing both aspects, the drama and the fun stuff, poorly.
The scene where Bond shoots Elektra is still a great one though. Shame about the rest.
I thought it was a real watch.
So, for example, the objection of "no Bond girl". It's something that never crossed my mind during the movie and does not bother me but I have to admit that it does make SF unusual But unusual does not mean bad.
If our interpretation of what defines a Bond movie becomes such a straight jacket, then we leave little room for creativity and boundary pushing in future and it leaves Bond in danger of just cliche after cliche.
The trick, as I've said many times before, is to execute the premise properly. It doesn't matter what you're trying to achieve, just do it well. I contend that SF achieved what Mendes wanted to do. Plot was secondary to characters in SF. It was a Mendes Bond film. In that respect, it succeeded.
For the former, going outside of the walls is a criticism in itself, no matter how well executed.
No Bond Girl? SF's a bad Bond movie QED
SF is a well made film, but.... how can I put it, it's like it is too full of itself. All this faffing about with Bond's psyche and his past, I don't need to know about that, more to the point, I don't want to. It's that mystery about Bond that makes up part of the appeal, mystery which has been removed during the Craig films. The Bond films of the past didn't waste time with all this navel gazing, they just got straight into action, stylish, well made action. The sooner the series sheds all this inner turmoil, for an experienced Bond who can be left to get on with his job, the better.
Great post. Totally agree.
And that's why I and probably some other people love every bond film in some way even the ones that arnt the best are still entertaining to me
Ha ha. It wasn't. But either way it ruined the tension of the scene. He risked getting caught for a joke!!!
Now you've pointed it out why would a bloody gorilla have a watch on!
Wow, that is rich. I also assumed he had a watch on. Risking the lives of thousands of people, just so he could get a slight bit of humor out of his own joke. Love it.