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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Your top 10 is reasonably solid, apart from TND which could do with a drop down about 10 imho.

    I know that you've explained your dislike for TB, but it's still disappointing to see both that and DN so low, given they are renown classics. The rest are reasonably placed actually.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Your top 10 is reasonably solid, apart from TND which could do with a drop down about 10 imho.

    I know that you've explained your dislike for TB, but it's still disappointing to see both that and DN so low, given they are renown classics. The rest are reasonably placed actually.

    I can see those moving up in future viewings but for now even though I really like them they just don't do it for me thunderball especially
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Your top 10 is reasonably solid, apart from TND which could do with a drop down about 10 imho.

    I know that you've explained your dislike for TB, but it's still disappointing to see both that and DN so low, given they are renown classics. The rest are reasonably placed actually.

    I can see those moving up in future viewings but for now even though I really like them they just don't do it for me thunderball especially
    I can appreciate that. Let me just say this: when I was 15, my list didn't look anywhere near as reasonable as yours does, so you're doing just fine in my humble judgement.
  • TheSharkFromJawsTheSharkFromJaws Amity Island Waters
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    The OP finale would be much better for me if they could cut out the entire assault by Octopussy's gymnasts.
    +1

  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    When I was 15, Thunderball and Dr No were just as low. As you get older, you'll start to appreciate them more. Brosnan Bonds were my favorite at that age but when you start to appreciate the classics you'll understand that most of the Brosnans are just paint by numbers Bond films which fit in very well in the action heavy 90s
  • GetCarterGetCarter
    edited February 2017 Posts: 386
    The Spanish villa scene in FYEO was always a bit stretched on my VHS from memory...
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    GetCarter wrote: »
    The Spanish villa scene in FYEO was always a bit stretched on my VHS from memory...

    Well....
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    Tilly Masterson is the series worst Bond girl. I hate ever saying anything negative about Bond but Tania Mallet's acting here is simply cringe worthy. Every line is so painful.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    MooseWithFleas wrote: »
    Tilly Masterson is the series worst Bond girl. I hate ever saying anything negative about Bond but Tania Mallet's acting here is simply cringe worthy. Every line is so painful.

    I tend to forget about her completely when not watching the film. Mallet has very little screen presence, even when required to act dramatically: "Let me go!" It doesn't help I suppose that immediately upon her departure we're treated to one of the most iconic scenes in Bond history, followed by the introduction of Pussy on the plane. Mallet did very little in a film chock-full of iconic characters and elements. I guess she was supposed to be a Judy Havelock-type, ostensibly athletic and capable and out for revenge, but I never bought her as such either. All comes down to the performance I guess.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    edited February 2017 Posts: 2,730
    She can't be worse than Christmas jones that names kills the character at least Tilly masterson is a fine name
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    MooseWithFleas wrote: »
    Tilly Masterson is the series worst Bond girl. I hate ever saying anything negative about Bond but Tania Mallet's acting here is simply cringe worthy. Every line is so painful.

    That's a good perspective by the way. I tend to be overly critical/analytical at times myself. A bit of that is healthy and natural, but overall I think I'd enjoy myself more if I let loose and embraced all of Bond for what it is, instead of what it isn't.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I agree, Tilly is pretty awful.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I think she is just what she is supposed to be. Not a likable Bond Girl in the least, but I don't believe she was meant to be. Fleming's literary original was certainly intended to irritate both the readers and Bond.

    Agreed. I am not a fan of GF but Tilly is not meant to be your usual Bond girl. She is in to fail and make life more difficult for Bond. Not as iconic as other characters in the movie but maybe better this way. Her motivations are at least better defined than Pussy's.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    MooseWithFleas wrote: »
    Tilly Masterson is the series worst Bond girl. I hate ever saying anything negative about Bond but Tania Mallet's acting here is simply cringe worthy. Every line is so painful.

    Agree her acting isn't up to much but she's just bloody gorgeous!

    Love her look with her hair down when she's in the escaping Aston with Bond.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    After my bondathon this is my Ranking I'm sure there's some controversy in there

    24.Thunderball
    23.Dr. No
    22.Diamonds are Forever
    21.Moonraker
    20.The World is Not Enough
    19.Die Another Day
    18.The Man With The Golden Gun
    17.A View to a Kill
    16.Live and Let Die
    15.You Only Live Twice
    14.Skyfall
    13.For Your Eyes Only
    12.SPECTRE
    11.License to Kill
    10.Tomorrow Never Dies
    9.Goldeneye
    8.The Spy Who Loved Me
    7.Octopussy
    6.On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    5.Quantum of Solace
    4.The Living Daylights
    3.Goldfinger
    2.From Russia With Love
    1.Casino Royale

    Excellent top six! Just need Dr No a lot higher!
  • barryt007barryt007
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    And Thunderball !!
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    And Thunderball !!

    Yeah admittedly bottom of the list is a bit low for Thunderball...!
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    Tilly is my favorite Bond girl from GF.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    @JamesBondKenya

    Interesting list. I dont think I have ever seen Thunderball and Dr.No as anyones bottom 2.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Same here...I had to do a Sir Roger eyebrow raise when I saw that. !

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  • barryt007barryt007
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Same here...I had to do a Sir Roger eyebrow raise and smirk when I saw that. !

    roger-moore-2.jpg

  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Yeah I just find myself watching them far less than every other bond film because I don't enjoy them. Saying that it's not a matter of them being made in the old style of film making because I love frwl
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Yeah I just find myself watching them far less than every other bond film because I don't enjoy them. Saying that it's not a matter of them being made in the old style of film making because I love frwl

    For a young'un you've got pretty good taste, but why do you consider Thunderball to be bottom of the pile?
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    That's a good perspective by the way. I tend to be overly critical/analytical at times myself. A bit of that is healthy and natural, but overall I think I'd enjoy myself more if I let loose and embraced all of Bond for what it is, instead of what it isn't.

    Thanks! I completely understand the other point of view of putting under a critical lens too, as that can be an enjoyable endeavor as well. Neither outlook is wrong. I personally just enjoy myself more when embracing the super serious, campy, goofy, ridiculous, and all other natures that Bond can be. The variety is what keeps it fresh for me.
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I think she is just what she is supposed to be. Not a likable Bond Girl in the least, but I don't believe she was meant to be. Fleming's literary original was certainly intended to irritate both the readers and Bond.

    You bring up a good point. I don't have a problem with what her character is trying to be. It's definitely a nice new flavor that the series hadn't had yet (a Bond girl with no interest in Bond and only motivated by her revenge). It's the acting that kills me. There are certainly other characters that give poor performances, but this is one of the few that actually take me out of the film. She has so few lines and everyone is delivered (in my opinion) in a cringeworthy way.
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Mallet has very little screen presence, even when required to act dramatically: "Let me go!"

    Like this! And "You're breaking my back!"
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    She can't be worse than Christmas jones that names kills the character at least Tilly masterson is a fine name

    Jones certainly has some poorly delivered lines, but for some reason I forgive it here. Might be because she has so many more lines and at least delivers a few solidly. Part of just embracing it all I guess
    pachazo wrote: »
    Tilly is my favorite Bond girl from GF.

    Cheers! It's what makes Bond so great. We have the exact opposite opinion, but both love it all anyway :)
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Tilly Masterson/Tania Mallet is rivalled in the ham acting department by no other Bond girl except Lupe Lamora/Talisa Soto. Not Britt Ekland. Not Tanya Roberts. Not Denise Richard.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Tilly Masterson/Tania Mallet is rivalled in the ham acting department by no other Bond girl except Lupe Lamora/Talisa Soto. Not Britt Ekland. Not Tanya Roberts. Not Denise Richard.
    Surely Gloria Hendry gives Mallet a run for her money? One of the most shameful performances in a Bond film imho.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    @j_w_pepper Soto has one of the only lines that I've ever laughed out loud at how bad it was the very first time I heard it. "I love James so much"

    I love it now, always makes for a good laugh and any scene with more Q is better!
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Soto is truly beautiful though. I think she's great and someone you I.e. Sanchez would kill for.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited February 2017 Posts: 11,189
    MooseWithFleas wrote: »
    @j_w_pepper Soto has one of the only lines that I've ever laughed out loud at how bad it was the very first time I heard it. "I love James so much"

    I love it now, always makes for a good laugh and any scene with more Q is better!

    That scene also killed any credibility Pam had for me. The way she imitates Lupe like a jealous, lovestruck school girl is awful.

    Actually, that whole scene is bad. I end up feeling sorry for Desmond stuck in the middle of it.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    MooseWithFleas wrote: »
    @j_w_pepper Soto has one of the only lines that I've ever laughed out loud at how bad it was the very first time I heard it. "I love James so much"

    I love it now, always makes for a good laugh and any scene with more Q is better!

    That scene also killed any credibility Pam had for me. The way she imitates Lupe like a jealous, lovestruck school girl is awful.

    Actually, that whole scene is bad. I end up feeling sorry for Desmond stuck in the middle of it.

    Actors must often use every means at their disposal to pull off questionable writing. ;)
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