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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Another opinion:

    I actually think the TSWLM score is a good and underrated Bond score.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    Another opinion:

    I actually think the TSWLM score is a good and underrated Bond score.

    I definitely agree with this.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited April 2012 Posts: 28,694
    Agent007391 wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    TheWizardOfIce wrote:
    What - months?

    No, days actually.
    ;)

    I should have known.

    A better act of deduction than my guess of 21 minutes.
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Another opinion:

    I actually think the TSWLM score is a good and underrated Bond score.

    I used to hate that score but lately I have started to like it more. Not sure if it's underrated but it's certainly not bad.

  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Another opinion:

    I actually think the TSWLM score is a good and underrated Bond score.

    I love the TSWLM score.


    Anyway, here's another controversial opinion (well, some of you might think it is), the P99 is a much cooler gun than the PPK, and going back to the PPK for QOS and now Skyfall was a mistake.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited April 2012 Posts: 3,262
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    002 wrote:
    heres a contriversial topic:

    The Early 60's Connery (Dr. No and FRWL) lack pace and boredom

    Agree about the pace atleast (but I don´t think neither is boring to watch, DN is just slow and FRWL drags alot).

    Slow or were they just made in a different era primarily for a different(pre-home video revolution/pre-cable TV/pre-MTV editing-style/pre-texting/pre-internet) audience?
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Another opinion:

    I actually think the TSWLM score is a good and underrated Bond score.

    I have to admit I don't really see how since TSWLM is the only Bond movie score to win an Oscar nomination for best score. That's an achievement that none of John Barry's Bond scores (sadly) never attained.

  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    edited April 2012 Posts: 1,082
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Anyway, here's another controversial opinion (well, some of you might think it is), the P99 is a much cooler gun than the PPK, and going back to the PPK for QOS and now Skyfall was a mistake.

    I like both guns, but for me, the PPK is the Bond gun, so I don't think it was a mistake bringing it back. I wouldn't have minded if they didn't either.
    PrinceKamalKhan wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    002 wrote:
    heres a contriversial topic:

    The Early 60's Connery (Dr. No and FRWL) lack pace and boredom

    Agree about the pace atleast (but I don´t think neither is boring to watch, DN is just slow and FRWL drags alot).

    Slow or were they just made in a different era primarily for a different(pre-home video revolution/pre-cable TV/pre-MTV editing-style/pre-texting/pre-internet) audience?

    That's another way of putting it. But the result for me is the same when I watch them on DVD in either way. I prefer DN though, which isn't boring by a long shot IMO.



  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    Another opinion:

    I actually think the TSWLM score is a good and underrated Bond score.

    I'll have to watch the film again, because I don't remember most of its score.
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Anyway, here's another controversial opinion (well, some of you might think it is), the P99 is a much cooler gun than the PPK, and going back to the PPK for QOS and now Skyfall was a mistake.

    I agree with this. Not only was it cooler, but it looks better in Craig's hands. Watch QoS, the PPK looks too small (specifically in the scene when Craig enters the bell tower at the beginning).
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
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    An opinion: Connery's best performance as Bond is in DAF, followed by NSNA.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    It always bugs me when people say that the 1960s era of 007 was the "Golden Era". Honestly, I completely disagree. In fact, my bottom four consist of OHMSS, GF, YOLT, and DN. Only FRWL and TB could be called golden for me. If I had to choose a golden Bond era, it would either by the 1980s or the 1990s.
  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    If
    00Beast wrote:
    It always bugs me when people say that the 1960s era of 007 was the "Golden Era". Honestly, I completely disagree. In fact, my bottom four consist of OHMSS, GF, YOLT, and DN. Only FRWL and TB could be called golden for me. If I had to choose a golden Bond era, it would either by the 1980s or the 1990s.

    totally agree with you- the best era of Bond was The 80s (i mean The Living Daylights, For Your Eyes Only and Octopussy were great) followed by the 90s ( bah humbug to the haters- Brosnan was the man and Goldeneye was my childhood film)

  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited April 2012 Posts: 13,355
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    Connery's best performance as Bond is in DAF, followed by NSNA.

    wtf.jpg

    Why do you think this? I'm really keen to know.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Samuel001 wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    Connery's best performance as Bond is in DAF, followed by NSNA.

    wtf.jpg

    Why do you think this? I'm really keen to know.

    Like we talked about @Samuel001, you just have to brush it off. Some people are truly rolly polly.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Maybe he's not being entirely honest with us, easy way to get attention though

    I could say er, Jane Seymour was an ugly despicable woman who looked like the back of a bus, Tim Dalton was the worst James Bond ever and should of been fired out of a cannon into the Atlantic Ocean in 1986, er what else?, Honey Ryder was a most hideous and ugly Bond girl, I wish she had been hit by a giant wave in Doctor No as she came out the sea and washed back out into the ocean etc etc etc

    Doesn't work for me I'm afraid but you see what I'm getting at

    People give silly answers they don't really believe in or know is simply not the case but enjoy a bit of a fishing expedition, and know there will be a reaction of some kind, this has just been illustrated by above posts
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    Here's one:

    Casino Royale's gun-barrell was fun and creative, and should continue being embedded in the action of the scene.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    The Royale barrel was simply in the wrong place, should never have been where it was, I don't care if it's reboot Bond, or 21st Century Bond or whatever, the fact remains they should never have done what they did in 2006 and lo and behold for the next release they included it at the damn finish of all things. It's simple, James Bond gun barrels at the very start of James Bond movies just as they were for the first 40 years, anywhere else is simply not appropriate, discussion closed
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    002 wrote:
    If
    00Beast wrote:
    It always bugs me when people say that the 1960s era of 007 was the "Golden Era". Honestly, I completely disagree. In fact, my bottom four consist of OHMSS, GF, YOLT, and DN. Only FRWL and TB could be called golden for me. If I had to choose a golden Bond era, it would either by the 1980s or the 1990s.

    totally agree with you- the best era of Bond was The 80s (i mean The Living Daylights, For Your Eyes Only and Octopussy were great) followed by the 90s ( bah humbug to the haters- Brosnan was the man and Goldeneye was my childhood film)

    Exactly! Glad to here someone else recognizing the true Golden Era!
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    The Royale barrel was simply in the wrong place, should never have been where it was, I don't care if it's reboot Bond, or 21st Century Bond or whatever, the fact remains they should never have done what they did in 2006 and lo and behold for the next release they included it at the damn finish of all things. It's simple, James Bond gun barrels at the very start of James Bond movies just as they were for the first 40 years, anywhere else is simply not appropriate, discussion closed

    Why continue one thing just because its happened for so long? Did you not find it, feelings aside, creative? I wonder who thought of it..
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    The Royale barrel was simply in the wrong place, should never have been where it was, I don't care if it's reboot Bond, or 21st Century Bond or whatever, the fact remains they should never have done what they did in 2006 and lo and behold for the next release they included it at the damn finish of all things. It's simple, James Bond gun barrels at the very start of James Bond movies just as they were for the first 40 years, anywhere else is simply not appropriate, discussion closed

    Why continue one thing just because its happened for so long? Did you not find it, feelings aside, creative? I wonder who thought of it..

    It was a good innovative idea for the modernized, new era of Bond, but like Baltimore, I'd rather have the gunbarrel feature at the beginning of every Bond movie instead of the end of the PTS, or the end of the entire movie for that matter...ahem...(QoS).
  • TopGearJB007TopGearJB007
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    1.) I actually like AVTAK.
    2.) Sean Connery needed to be in OHMSS.
    3.) George Lazenby is a bad Connery rip off.
    4.) For Your Eyes Only is my least favorite Moore.
    5.) I love Diamonds are Forever.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    TopGearJB007 wrote:
    1.) I actually like AVTAK.
    2.) Sean Connery needed to be in OHMSS.
    3.) George Lazenby is a bad Connery rip off.
    4.) For Your Eyes Only is my least favorite Moore.
    5.) I love Diamonds are Forever.

    I definitely agree on #1,3, and 5. As for #2, I think Connery should have departed the series for good after Thunderball, because he really wasted some good Bond potential on YOLT especially, and was also a little out of style by DAF. Given the direction that DAF took, it would have suited Roger Moore perfectly! As for #4, FYEO is actually my favorite Moore Bond movie, followed closely by Octopussy and Live and Let Die.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    00Beast wrote:
    TopGearJB007 wrote:
    1.) I actually like AVTAK.
    2.) Sean Connery needed to be in OHMSS.
    3.) George Lazenby is a bad Connery rip off.
    4.) For Your Eyes Only is my least favorite Moore.
    5.) I love Diamonds are Forever.

    I definitely agree on #1,3, and 5. As for #2, I think Connery should have departed the series for good after Thunderball, because he really wasted some good Bond potential on YOLT especially, and was also a little out of style by DAF. Given the direction that DAF took, it would have suited Roger Moore perfectly! As for #4, FYEO is actually my favorite Moore Bond movie, followed closely by Octopussy and Live and Let Die.

    You are spot on about Sean. He should have left after TB while on a high, instead of leaving in a seizure in DAF.
  • TopGearJB007TopGearJB007
    Posts: 624
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    TopGearJB007 wrote:
    1.) I actually like AVTAK.
    2.) Sean Connery needed to be in OHMSS.
    3.) George Lazenby is a bad Connery rip off.
    4.) For Your Eyes Only is my least favorite Moore.
    5.) I love Diamonds are Forever.

    I definitely agree on #1,3, and 5. As for #2, I think Connery should have departed the series for good after Thunderball, because he really wasted some good Bond potential on YOLT especially, and was also a little out of style by DAF. Given the direction that DAF took, it would have suited Roger Moore perfectly! As for #4, FYEO is actually my favorite Moore Bond movie, followed closely by Octopussy and Live and Let Die.

    You are spot on about Sean. He should have left after TB while on a high, instead of leaving in a seizure in DAF.
    6.) I love YOLT. It's number 3 on my list after GF and DAF.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    TopGearJB007 wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    TopGearJB007 wrote:
    1.) I actually like AVTAK.
    2.) Sean Connery needed to be in OHMSS.
    3.) George Lazenby is a bad Connery rip off.
    4.) For Your Eyes Only is my least favorite Moore.
    5.) I love Diamonds are Forever.

    I definitely agree on #1,3, and 5. As for #2, I think Connery should have departed the series for good after Thunderball, because he really wasted some good Bond potential on YOLT especially, and was also a little out of style by DAF. Given the direction that DAF took, it would have suited Roger Moore perfectly! As for #4, FYEO is actually my favorite Moore Bond movie, followed closely by Octopussy and Live and Let Die.

    You are spot on about Sean. He should have left after TB while on a high, instead of leaving in a seizure in DAF.
    6.) I love YOLT. It's number 3 on my list after GF and DAF.

    So let's see, Goldfinger and You Only Live Twice are in your Top 3? Wow, that's complete opposite of my rankings, where GF and YOLT are in the bottom three!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited April 2012 Posts: 28,694
    00Beast wrote:
    TopGearJB007 wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    TopGearJB007 wrote:
    1.) I actually like AVTAK.
    2.) Sean Connery needed to be in OHMSS.
    3.) George Lazenby is a bad Connery rip off.
    4.) For Your Eyes Only is my least favorite Moore.
    5.) I love Diamonds are Forever.

    I definitely agree on #1,3, and 5. As for #2, I think Connery should have departed the series for good after Thunderball, because he really wasted some good Bond potential on YOLT especially, and was also a little out of style by DAF. Given the direction that DAF took, it would have suited Roger Moore perfectly! As for #4, FYEO is actually my favorite Moore Bond movie, followed closely by Octopussy and Live and Let Die.

    You are spot on about Sean. He should have left after TB while on a high, instead of leaving in a seizure in DAF.
    6.) I love YOLT. It's number 3 on my list after GF and DAF.

    So let's see, Goldfinger and You Only Live Twice are in your Top 3? Wow, that's complete opposite of my rankings, where GF and YOLT are in the bottom three!

    Finishing with OHMSS in dead last, correct @00Beast?
  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    here is another controversial opinion:

    would David Morrissey make a good james bond?
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    Samuel001 wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    Connery's best performance as Bond is in DAF, followed by NSNA.

    wtf.jpg

    Why do you think this? I'm really keen to know.

    IMO he was cooler, more relaxed, had more and better one-liners, was more charming and reminded me a little of Roger Moore. I would have liked to see Sean this way in all his films.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    Connery's best performance as Bond is in DAF, followed by NSNA.

    wtf.jpg

    Why do you think this? I'm really keen to know.

    IMO he was cooler, more relaxed, had more and better one-liners, was more charming and reminded me a little of Roger Moore. I would have liked to see Sean this way in all his films.
    But Sean didn't, which is why he bolted. At least one chap was sensible at the time. I'm sorry he got wrapped up in his two camped film last films.

  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    edited April 2012 Posts: 1,082
    00Beast wrote:
    It always bugs me when people say that the 1960s era of 007 was the "Golden Era". Honestly, I completely disagree. In fact, my bottom four consist of OHMSS, GF, YOLT, and DN. Only FRWL and TB could be called golden for me. If I had to choose a golden Bond era, it would either by the 1980s or the 1990s.

    I think that the 1970s was the golden era of Bond, follwed by the 1990s and the 1980s.
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    007RogerMoore wrote:
    Connery's best performance as Bond is in DAF, followed by NSNA.

    wtf.jpg

    Why do you think this? I'm really keen to know.

    IMO he was cooler, more relaxed, had more and better one-liners, was more charming and reminded me a little of Roger Moore. I would have liked to see Sean this way in all his films.
    At least one chap was sensible at the time. I'm sorry he got wrapped up in his two camped film last films.
    I agree, Moore should have done YOLT and DAF (NSNA revived his career, so I will give him that one). Who was sensible at the time?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @007RogerMoore, please avoid double posting by making use of the edit button!
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