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Tanner should have committed hara kiri after letting M be driven off by an unseen person at the end of the courtroom shoot out. It was the only honourable thing to do. im wondering if they toyed with the idea of him being a double agent - for quantum particularly as he was anonymous enough in QOS, by Skyfall he was clearly in Bond's corner so it wouldn't have worked as well.
@Major_Boothroyd, a script draft of SP did have Tanner as a traitor, and it did end with him committing suicide. I am sure that after Fiennes told them to piss off after trying to make M a traitor, Tanner was next in line for being the mole.
Ah - then I must have heard this news somewhere before and misremembered it. On reflection, It seems a pretty obvious kind of option for the script to take - what with all the double crossing in QOS and the nature of the C character in SP. Would have been a mistake doing it probably and certainly with Fiennes' M. That would have taken some exceptional exposition to make that work (it's so telegraphed with Denbigh as to border on pointless.)
Barbara Bach is a weak actress though. Far worse than the usual distain for Talisa Soto on here. Bach's best feature is her cleavage, but the acting talent isn't there at all.
I wonder who else was considered for her role.
By the way, that's one more brilliant instance of SF taking a scenario that came before in a Bond film and flipping it on its head (as I said before somewhere, SF as an anniversary film is made up almost entirely of prior scenes brilliantly re-imagined - and it's great to keep coming across new instances like this every time I think about the film).
Let's put it this way: I sympathized far more with Silva than I did Elektra, and the reason is primarily due to Bardem.
I fully agree about respecting the Bond series for not giving into PC lunacy. That's what keeps it different from the rest of the rubbish out there these days. As I said elsewhere, if we start seeing teenage (or under-aged looking) heroines in Bond films (another thing that seems to be fashionable these days, perhaps to cater to the Asian market) I'll lose it.
I agree that acting is not Bach's strong suit, but disagree on her being worse than Soto. She was a major player in TSWLM and the film is better for it. Soto was secondary in LTK and still couldn't deliver simple lines or act. While essentially monotone, Bach had some great moments (when Bond is checking out Naomi for instance, in the Lotus, on the slow boat from Egypt, in the truck when Jaws is around & when she confronts Bond on Sergei Barsov).
I agree that her best physical attribute was amply (ehem) showcased in that black dress though.
It's never outright said Silva is an orphan, but because M tells Bond that orphans are often the best recruits and how Silva acts towards M makes me think that he is one too. It would make sense, as the film goes a long way towards beating you over the head that Silva and Bond are doppelgangers of sorts, just twisted versions of the other with Bond representing the "what-if" version of Silva who could've learned from his mistakes and become a good man.
I've always felt that way about the film, which is why the retrofit of Silva into Blofeld's plans in SP feels so hollow and idiotic to me. It is also why I subconsciously choose to ignore it whenever I view SF.
Same here...I have always seen SF as an independent,stand-alone film,and will continue to do so .
Spot on.
I'm not sure I'd call them the worst but I do think all three main women (including Della) in LTK are underwhelming, lightweight actresses.
My biggest change of opinion has been with Della/Pricilla Barnes . She seemed little more than a ditzy blonde.
I completely forgot about Della.
By and large I've forgotten LTK as a whole. I watched it once and never had any desire to go back.
It's funny how this film seems so divisive. Like I've said before, it used to be in my top 5 but then it fell to mid table. I think a big issue with it is that several characters who play small but key roles in the film's plot are poorly cast and/or portrayed (Sharkey, Killifer, Della, Lupe and even Pam and Felix). Characters who are meant to drive Dalton's actions throughout the film are little more than stereotypes.
Yeah, its not one I watch very often and when I do actually watch it I remember why I don't watch it very often.
I actually find LTK to be the perfect follow up to OHMSS - a cynical and world-weary Bond is driven by pure vengeance to avenge Della's death, motivated by his own tragic marriage. You could realistically ignore DAF and assume that Bond's personal demons surrounding his own wedding drive him to go rogue.
Agreed that TLD does drag a bit (a reason I don't rank it as highly as some around here) but I think its the classier film of the two and better directed.
I've watched OHMSS and LTK back-to-back before incidentally and that was when the problems in LTK were exposed (to me at least).
Well I knew he probably wasn't going to hang around for all those years anyway. There wasn't any guarantee as to when the next film was going to be made so I didn't blame him for bowing out when he did.
would like to have seen him do a third Bond film but there you go.
I loved his performance in TLD but was very disappointed with his acting in LTK.
I think the makers departed from the Bond formula too much with LTK and we ended up with an ugly, uneven film, with awful dialogue and an uninteresting story.
I'd say beautiful, not very voluptuous and not very good actresses.
I find her a bit "light" and rather classless.
True. I think I just find Barnes herself has a slightly tacky manner about her. I also, to be honest, remember seeing a rather revealing picture of her on the net. Kind of made me lose a bit of respect for her and Della the character
Objectively, I would only say that QOS is bad. It's a poorly written, poorly edited movie. (Hides under table)