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  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Plenty is hot but because of her physique and attitude Bond comes off as a dirty middle aged man.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    True. But all men (bar gays) think the same way. I still think a chubby Connery can pull off the charm.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Plenty is hot but because of her physique and attitude Bond comes off as a dirty middle aged man.

    I dunno. She's the one that leads him on, he just takes the opportunity. Can't blame him, really.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Good point she's basically a slut after any man with money.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The women fit in with the style of the film. It's consistent, and therefore I don't have a problem with it. Vegas is trashy anyway.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    She belongs to another movie, if not another genre entirely.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    I wouldn't say no to Plenty.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Neither would I but I don't think she belongs to a Bond movie.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    The women fit in with the style of the film. It's consistent, and therefore I don't have a problem with it. Vegas is trashy anyway.

    Yes, @bondjames, that's why the film pulls it off. I made a comment in a DAF review that the film purposefully makes the Vegas scenes look and feel overtly trashy, bright, sensational and distracting in a way that very consciously feels empty and hollow. Like the scene where crowds watch a woman "turn" into an ape, or the groan-inducing "comedy" show of Shady Tree. Vegas' bread and circuses for its crowds seems more like bread crumbs and schlock shows for all the quality of entertainment they provide.

    Bond is so used to frequenting beautiful casinos and social clubs with a fine sense of design to them, so to see him navigating the very ostentatious and rather barren glamor of Vegas' casinos is an interesting visual because it feels so below him to be there. So much had changed since the early 60s, and Bond almost finds himself on another world.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, good points. What's also interesting with this film is that Hamilton clothed Connery in a similar, somewhat ostentatious fashion (I recall a pink tie somewhere along the way).

    This is in direct contrast to what he did with Moore in New York in the next film, where he stuck out with his formal & sombre attire in comparison to everyone else.

    I think he made the right move in both cases and the films benefit from it.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Here is another one: Connery sold the approach of the Moore era in DAF and only he could have done it.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Here is another one: Connery sold the approach of the Moore era in DAF and only he could have done it.
    Agreed. I think I read an interview somewhere when he in fact said that this is what they were going for. Given John Gavin almost became Bond for DAF, I think that it wasn't so much Moore centric but more a directional shift which the producers were trying to take to make it a little more light hearted after OHMSS's relative lack of success in the US market.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    It is very much like what happened two decades later.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, good points. What's also interesting with this film is that Hamilton clothed Connery in a similar, somewhat ostentatious fashion (I recall a pink tie somewhere along the way).

    This is in direct contrast to what he did with Moore in New York in the next film, where he stuck out with his formal & sombre attire in comparison to everyone else.

    I think he made the right move in both cases and the films benefit from it.

    @bondjames, I don't know how much Hamilton was involved in dressing Connery, but you're right in saying that the Sinclair suits can be wild. I actually love the pink and cream suit he wears near the end of the film, giving him a neo-noir detective vibe, but the tuxedo with burgundy lapels is the worst tux of the series and the turtleneck suit combo in orange and brown he wears later on is equally unsightly. DAF is the only Connery film where he doesn't seem consistently well dressed, but you also get the feeling that the suits in the film are trying to say something instead of being accidentally horrendous in style. Who knows.

    OHMSS's fashions warned us of the changing styles in fashion, and DAF proved it.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, good points. What's also interesting with this film is that Hamilton clothed Connery in a similar, somewhat ostentatious fashion (I recall a pink tie somewhere along the way).

    This is in direct contrast to what he did with Moore in New York in the next film, where he stuck out with his formal & sombre attire in comparison to everyone else.

    I think he made the right move in both cases and the films benefit from it.

    @bondjames, I don't know how much Hamilton was involved in dressing Connery, but you're right in saying that the Sinclair suits can be wild. I actually love the pink and cream suit he wears near the end of the film, giving him a neo-noir detective vibe, but the tuxedo with burgundy lapels is the worst tux of the series and the turtleneck suit combo in orange and brown he wears later on is equally unsightly. DAF is the only Connery film where he doesn't seem consistently well dressed, but you also get the feeling that the suits in the film are trying to say something instead of being accidentally horrendous in style. Who knows.

    OHMSS's fashions warned us of the changing styles in fashion, and DAF proved it.
    They were definitely trying to find their way in the new decade @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7. Styles and tastes were changing rapidly, and I can imagine that EON were trying to adapt. I think Connery's look in DAF was intentional on the part of the team, especially considering that Gavin almost got the role. I think it worked well. Everything is consistent in tone and style. Garish by today's standards perhaps, but quite fitting (pun intended) for that film nevertheless.

    I think they were correct to try to take it back to essential conservative Britishness in LALD and let Bond stick out like a sore thumb in obvious contrast (in more ways than one) to most of the cast.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    The more I read these comments about DAF the more I think the movie was necessary, even essential, as it is... And the more I hate it. Everything just went horribly right.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, good points. What's also interesting with this film is that Hamilton clothed Connery in a similar, somewhat ostentatious fashion (I recall a pink tie somewhere along the way).

    This is in direct contrast to what he did with Moore in New York in the next film, where he stuck out with his formal & sombre attire in comparison to everyone else.

    I think he made the right move in both cases and the films benefit from it.

    @bondjames, I don't know how much Hamilton was involved in dressing Connery, but you're right in saying that the Sinclair suits can be wild. I actually love the pink and cream suit he wears near the end of the film, giving him a neo-noir detective vibe, but the tuxedo with burgundy lapels is the worst tux of the series and the turtleneck suit combo in orange and brown he wears later on is equally unsightly. DAF is the only Connery film where he doesn't seem consistently well dressed, but you also get the feeling that the suits in the film are trying to say something instead of being accidentally horrendous in style. Who knows.

    OHMSS's fashions warned us of the changing styles in fashion, and DAF proved it.
    They were definitely trying to find their way in the new decade @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7. Styles and tastes were changing rapidly, and I can imagine that EON were trying to adapt. I think Connery's look in DAF was intentional on the part of the team, especially considering that Gavin almost got the role. I think it worked well. Everything is consistent in tone and style. Garish by today's standards perhaps, but quite fitting (pun intended) for that film nevertheless.

    I think they were correct to try to take it back to essential conservative Britishness in LALD and let Bond stick out like a sore thumb in obvious contrast (in more ways than one) to most of the cast.

    Yes, you can see the intention down to Wint & Kidd's wacky wardrobes.

    And you're right, in LALD Bond had to stand out in a way that was beyond his fashion. Those Harlem scenes wouldn't have worked if his style was full 70s. The restrained and simple black longcoat was a perfect choice, and one of my favorite looks for Roger's Bond. Seeing a white European in a heavily black borough was enough of a striking image.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Die Another Day up to the first jinx scene is better than the entirety of The World is not enough.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I've always been a defender of TWINE but my latest viewing was a real letdown. I think it might end up last in my Brosnan rankings and somewhere near the bottom of the entire series.

    Too bad because I really love Sophie Marceau.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I've always been a defender of TWINE but my latest viewing was a real letdown. I think it might end up last in my Brosnan rankings and somewhere near the bottom of the entire series.

    Too bad because I really love Sophie Marceau.

    Actually it went up in my rankings last viewing to #9 and TND plummeted....weird..

  • CrzChris4CrzChris4
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    Seeing the convo on the last page, this will definitely be a controversal opinion...my last Bondathon dating right before SP's release, I ranked YOLT ahead of TB.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    Die Another Day up to the first jinx scene is better than the entirety of The World is not enough.
    Exactly my feeling when I first saw DAD, raising hopes that TWINE might have been a one-time misstep. However, the second half turned out to be such a terminally disappointing letdown that I found (and still find) that DAD ends up being worse than TWINE overall, and after all. Either way, two of the most dismal Bond films ever.
  • RC7RC7
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    CrzChris4 wrote: »
    Seeing the convo on the last page, this will definitely be a controversal opinion...my last Bondathon dating right before SP's release, I ranked YOLT ahead of TB.

    I can see that.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    No,i've never rated YOLT over TB in all my years.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    At one time in my life, YOLT used to be my favorite Connery movie. Now it's my least favorite. Haha.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    When I saw them as a double-feature in the '60s, YOLT seems so new and bright and exciting (it was shown first), TB came off as drab and dull in comparison. Of course I was 7 or 8 years old.

    Fair enough...TB is an adult film over YOLT which is more simplistic..
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    No need to feel guilty about that. YOLT has some of the best location shooting in the series, that rooftop fight is dazzling and the finale from a visual perspective is gob-smacking. The Bond team were doing amazing things in the 60s, taking a tenth of the tools available today to create unmatched set pieces. It's a film I'm very proud of having in the Bond series, despite my disappointment with the SPECTRE aspect of it and Bond "going Japanese" that makes me rank it last in a list of the 60s films.
  • CrzChris4CrzChris4
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    I would say the "going-Japanese" sideplot is absolutely rediculous but the film has such a quick pace that I feel there really isn't much time to even think about it.

    Along with one of Barry's best scores, we're treated to some of the series best cinematography and easily the best set designs in the entire series. The volcano layer is easily the greatest set in all of Bond. Donald Pleasance plays Blofeld with a great low-key menance and Connery coming face to face with him for the first time might be one of my favorite reveals in the franchise.


    Although I will say that Thunderball also has one of my favorite scenes in the series when Bond escapes from capture and then eliminates Volpe on the dance floor. "Can you watch my friend? She's just dead!"
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I don't love it, but it doesn't bug me in the slightest, either, definitely nowhere near the amount it does for some here. I'd say I'm in the minority that ranks YOLT above TB, as well.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    I enjoy the Japanese-Bond thing in a "laugh at how bad it is" kind of way. I'm glad it's part of YOLT.
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