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No. I just find it funny that so many of the people that ridicule QoS for it's 'non engaging' plot are the same that idolize Goldfinger as the pinnacle of human perfection.
And, at the end of the day, is it a coincidence that the first Bond smash hit in the US was the first that was set in America with a plot concerning americans? Would so many consider political coups and the monopoly on a nations water supply to be 'low scale' if the scenario was set in the US or Brittain?
QoS's plot is fine, but it's just not a standout.
Ken Adam's work for example was groundbreaking and was something we hadn't really seen before. You can't deny scale was often an important factor of his sets (eventhough he could make a small room atmospheric too).
For instance the scenes with Mathis and the ones with Leiter and Beame are brilliant, but I feel they could have provided more scenes like that.
Also, I cannot defend the action editing in this film. It really makes my head explode.
Greene is not a match for Bond and if so they should not have made a fight sequence between the two because that becomes very unexciting. We also don't really see anything of their great villain scheme. This film is about water supply? It could be about oil, gold or gas... since we see absolutely nothing of it. No set piece indicates that this film is about water. Just a short and cliche scene of poor Bolivans starving from a lack of water...
I also find Craig very uncharismatic in this film. He mostly only shows one emotion. This could easily be a Bourne film and misses all typical Bondian element.
Exactly. There is literally nothing about the film that is engaging in any way.
Scale is important to a degree but it's not obligatory. As @jobo said many Bond stories are simple spy thrillers.
However, with the exception of DN, Bond’s quest always seems to get a bit lost in those giant sets. I take stories like FRWL, OHMSS and TLD over giant sets any day.
Same here actually.
In QoS it is unclear whether anything about Bolivia's water supply has really changed due to Bond's action... And we still don't know anything about Quantum...
There is also a degree of opaqueness to the plot which is unusual for a Bond film (good and bad are not so clearly defined). To my eyes at least it has an almost 70's style murky/shadowy flavour. I like that about the film, but I can see why it would be a hard sell.
Ultimately QoS birthed SP, because they had to come back and clean it up for Craig to exit gracefully. Sadly, they failed (at least imho) and now they will attempt a clean up once more. Hope they get it right this time so we can finally move on.
Well that's because, perhaps, you seem to miss the real threat: an organisation toppling weak governments and influencing powerful ones for their own gain.
The water is only the project Greene is working on at that moment. The threat starts in the PTS when Quantum turns out to have an informant within MI6 (I don't think he smoked). Then it's the envoy to the prime minister, then Beame (CIA) turns out working for them. Then the Minister of defence(?) pushes M back because of Quantum's influence. They already took Haiti. They're working on other projects too (Canada) but Greene is asking for priority for his 'tiara' project, the toppling of the Bolivian government by holding it randsom.
How could a force like that not be a threat. I think it's a far better 21st century threat then, say, a media tycoon trying to start a war between the UK and China because of a grudge, or a banker to the world's terrorists (good thing he's working for the same organisation).
That does sound like quite an interesting plot on paper. The problem is that the film doesn't expound on that in any way, and it's not built upon in any other films. If there was any point at which we saw Quantum (or Spectre) wielding any globally significant political power due to such a plot, it would be very engaging. As it stands, all we had was them being a bit of a bother in a few small, low population, unimportant countries.
That's a good point and one I can agree with. However, taking Ken Adam out of the equation, I think all the films you mention have a certain "spectacle" about them in terms of their locations (certainly OHMSS).
CASINO ROYALE 67 is better than at least four EoN Bond films.
That's about where I've got it right now. EON needs to seriously up their game from here on out.
I doubt we have the same four films below CR 67....but good job old boy! :D
Maybe it's the blu ray but I'm not sure GE has that much "spectacle". Yes it aims to go bigger than the 80s Bond films, but a lot of the locations seem quite bland in the film (other than Monte Carlo). Much of it also seems like it was filmed in a studio (the replica of the Puerto Rico dish as its rising out of the water is kind of obvious against the shots of the real dish). The film does have more "atmosphere" though compared to the previous films (the sterile control room, dingy cell and statue park scenes stand out well.
Though the weaker film, TND has more use of actual locations.
Yeah that makes sense.
I gave it the same rating as four EON films, 5/10, though I’m not sure I’d rank it above them.
Have you seen never say never again yet?
If I were you, I would leave it there. Nothing about that film makes any sense, or is even the least bit funny. Frankly, I would rather sit through QOS again.