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I feel that Colonel Sun's main selling points have been mined already by EON.
I understand.
However, doesn't bother me in the slightest: Mexico City is vibrant to the eye. But it is also a filthy place on many levels-- it's dusty and dirty, the politics, the crime... So, the so-called piss-filter gave me a feeling of the unease that we should be feeling: something dirty is going down.
And to add-on to that: I love DC's face when he fights. It's so obvious he's actually had a fight or three in his life. That's not acting-- his face is hard-wired to the visceral imagery of what it means to throw and take a punch.
He was, at one time, a genuine tough guy.
I accept that others like it, but it's just so terrible to me. I suppose that's the case of any color correction in any film, though - one person will love it, someone else may hate it.
I only watched the PTS this evening-- I found it grimy and effective... Since it never bothered me the first time, I'm interested to see the other scenes that have this piss-filter, and my very conscious analysis of it-- now that I've been made more aware of its dislike.
Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm keeping this to the controversial thread, since, I assume, I'm in the minority here (and I don't "like" or "love" the correction, it just has never bothered me like some):
Piss Filter Scene Two: Bond's flat? Doesn't bug me: thematically this is a scene about a memory (M's video), an order (to kill), and a hazy future (MP: what have you found?; B: Nothing. Yet)... Nothing's certain in this scene (including Bond's living arrangements-- looks like a ghost (a spectre) lives here. Old wine glasses on the kitchen counter. Nothing is hanging or "lived in"... Bond's flat is spectral)...
(p.s. I do have problems with this film btw; just piss filter intrigued me since I was never bothered by it; I stop here for the evening, but it's an interesting side-game for me. And if anyone disagrees with the sewer I spew about this, feel free to give me some feedback)
Piss Filter Number Three: Sciarra Widow about to be assassinated... once again, it's ghostly, "spectral" and reminds me of some lighting in the first two Godfather films... Still doesn't bother me (although the Q scene, prior to this, did-- it was stagey and didn't reflect a film-reality; a quirky bunker with bits n bites of "tech" that felt more theatrical than filmatic). c
In fact, whomever was disturbed by Bond taking Severine in SF, should be up in arms with his routine with Lucia; this is just as offensive (he's trying to turn a woman against her husband, who was just killed); although, I wasn't offended. By either.
But it could be argued that 007's behaviour was not exactly morally "clean"... So, once again, piss filter works to show the moral ambiguity, the murkiness of Bond's job, where he acts amorally to get the answers he needs to get.
This is still a mystery.
The imagery seems apropos to the motif they're building at this point-- and rather all consistent...
As Bond arrives and enters the SP meeting, it looks like a nightmare, something out of Dante's Inferno (whether the script lives up to the imagery is a different debate!)
Seconded, come to think of it.
Even if there was some artistic reasoning for it, the filter is quite distracting for me, and reminds me uncomfortably of many CGI heavy flicks which also use it extensively - most notably the Marvel and DC entries.
I remember Mendes and Craig commenting in an interview that they had to colour correct SF because the digital cameras led to some harsh colours and skintones. I've always wondered if something similar had to be done on SP as a result of the numerous CGI effects.
Me either! To be honest, never has. Having watched Tinker Tailor, Soldier Spy, I knew what to expect from Hoytema.
I also thought he shot HER beautifully.
Never had a second thought about the filters, even after recognizing the complaints. The extremes of Mexico City and the winter home of the Pale King make perfect sense to me. They're not unnatural or distracting.
This sensitivity reminds me of complaints in a different manner directed at George Miller and MAD MAX: FURY ROAD. Complaints about the bright hues applied to the desert scenes--while of course those same extremes are easily shown to exist in nature even if they weren't that way at the filming location.
I've also heard very sensitive reactions to the use of orange and blue (ORANGE AND TEAL!) to make scenes pop (POP!). Once that's taken on as an issue, watching movies can become very painful I imagine.
And I'll come full circle to compare the reaction to the color filter with how the editing of Quantum of Solace was received. For a portion of the audience, there was a strong negative reaction to the opening of the film especially on forums like this. And I think it painted the rest of the movie in a bad light. Ten years on, that heated dislike has dissipated somewhat. Lots of positive comments on Quantum of Solace here, most going unopposed.
Yes, @RichardTheBruce , I did find the description "piss filter" to be just a little too over the top. Very negative. And, as you pointed out, in some circles, it could suffocate conversation and discussion.
I'm open to discussing the flaws of SP, and there are many, but in other ways, I do find it an interesting curiosity-- so many things went wrong in the development and production, and through some savvy craftsmanship, this beautiful mess is what they ended up with.
And, calling it beautiful, means I had no problem with the photography, framing, set-dressing, costume... That puts me into a minority, and I realize that. That's why these thoughts safely stay on the controversial thread!
In the scene with Lucia Sciarra in the villa, it works rather well. So it's not a total failure in that regard. But it's an experiment I hope is not repeated.
Well even though QoS is one of the films I love the most due to the atmosphere, story, story telling and above all Dan's fantastic performance, I still don't like th editing at the start, especially not because it makes it hard to watch an amazing chase.
+1. I missed a lot of it in my first viewing, but the more times you see it, you see different moments, and it's just really well constructed chase! And has a great payoff, and then the camera glides up above the city. Lovely! It's just a fantastic pts!
Actually i'm the opposite opinion on that,i love the Brosnan Pts'.
Apart from CR,none of Craig's float my boat at all.
We are opposite on a lot. Yin and yang.
We are indeed...but as long as we get the Xmas Tree every year then.........
Like I said, you will. But plastic this year. It lasts longer.
Ooh i think not....opposites again.