Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Daniel Craig's "brilliance"as an actor is somewhat overstated.

    Watch his performance during M's death again!

    The scene didn't really do much for me. But then I was delighted to see her kick the bucket.

    I think we have a troll on our hands here. Watch Our Friends in the North and if you still think Craig is anything below fantastic as an actor, I question your taste.

    It's just his opinion. Many others were happy to see her go. that doesn't make him a troll. All the major trolls are currently gone. No need to go into Trollgate yet again. ;)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Murdock wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Daniel Craig's "brilliance"as an actor is somewhat overstated.

    Watch his performance during M's death again!

    The scene didn't really do much for me. But then I was delighted to see her kick the bucket.

    I think we have a troll on our hands here. Watch Our Friends in the North and if you still think Craig is anything below fantastic as an actor, I question your taste.

    It's just his opinion. Many others were happy to see her go. that doesn't make him a troll. All the major trolls are currently gone. No need to go into Trollgate yet again. ;)

    Indeed. @identigraph has been a member here for a long time to start trolling now.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 11,189
    I thought Dench did an excellent job in all her Bond films even if at times she wasnt taken full advantage of. I like her scene in TWINE with Robert Carlyle.
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    I'm basically a Dench fan, too. I hated her introduction in GE, but outside of that I thought she did a very good job with the scripts that were handed to her.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 3,494
    Identigraph is not a troll as far I've ever been able to tell so no I don't agree with that.

    Dench's M was a "bean counter" as we all know. She had no intelligence or military background past her "numbers" that were ever discussed, whereas we knew Lee and Brown were admirals mostly likely Naval Intel, and Mallory was a Army guy with a similar background. I always guessed, and it is a guess, that Dench M got the job because she had balls, interviewed well, and probably some basic knowledge and some new ideas based on her accounting background that sold her. But when you look at the writers involved, is this informational gap any real surprise?

    As far as her performance, Dench is a terrific actress and I enjoyed her without reservation. Her debut and final scenes were magnificent and no one could have done any better with the material she had.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    1. QOS is not only a good movie, it's a great movie. Just not as excellent as CR or SF
    2. The best Bond movie of the '80s is The Living Daylights. By a mile.
    3. I think Thunderball is better than Goldfinger.
    4. Casino Royale is the best Bond movie since OHMSS, if not Thunderball.
    5. The only good Roger Moore Bond films are LALD and TSWLM (though TMWTGG and FYEO aren't completely awful, MR, OP and AVTAK are.)
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    Just on the Judy Dench issue, Of all the people that have ever appeared in the James Bond franchise, Dench's M (I thought) would of been perhaps the least likely to have introduced to us the first use of the word f--k. Maybe realize it was only going to be a matter of time before we saw it included in Bond - but to come first, from that character - it was a genuine surprise

    Dench's M did a more than adequate job of it. A breath of fresh air after the awful Robert Brown and the overall six year wait since the last release. Shared some great chemistry with Brosnan and Craig on screen, and supplied many memorable moments. She will be missed, and not sure what to expect with Fiennes' Mallory, but those are big shoes to fill, and with respect to the actor, can't see him doing such an admirable job as what came before
  • 1. QOS is not only a good movie, it's a great movie. Just not as excellent as CR or SF
    2. The best Bond movie of the '80s is The Living Daylights. By a mile.
    3. I think Thunderball is better than Goldfinger.
    4. Casino Royale is the best Bond movie since OHMSS, if not Thunderball.
    5. The only good Roger Moore Bond films are LALD and TSWLM (though TMWTGG and FYEO aren't completely awful, MR, OP and AVTAK are.)
    1. While I wouldn't say it was a "great" movie, I did find Quantum improved dramatically when I watched it again recently. It was nowhere near as bad as I remembered, although the direction still sucks.
    2. That's my favourite ever Bond movie, so you'll get no complaints from me there.
    3. Again, I agree.
    4. Not sure I'd go that far, but Casino was definitely the best Bond for some time.
    5. I actually find Golden Gun to be one of the worst ever Bonds, not just of Moore's stint, but of the entire series. In fact it's one of three I practically refuse to watch (the others being Diamonds and the deplorable Die Another Day). It's just horrendous, it's like they wrote a serious story and then decided to play it all for laughs... and then failed at that. Moonraker, on the other hand, is a daft plot played mostly straight, and like Quantum I thoroughly enjoyed it when I re-watched it a little while ago. It still has some excruciating moments, probably the worst of the series, but there's a lot of good scenes in there.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    For now, Martin Campbell is still a better Bond director than, Sam "1billion dollars" Mendes.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 1,052
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Daniel Craig's "brilliance"as an actor is somewhat overstated.

    Watch his performance during M's death again!

    The scene didn't really do much for me. But then I was delighted to see her kick the bucket.

    I think we have a troll on our hands here. Watch Our Friends in the North and if you still think Craig is anything below fantastic as an actor, I question your taste.


    Nothing against Dench personally and no problem with her as an actress, I just feel her portrayl of M got a bit stale from TWINE onwards and I am really pleased that she has now been replaced.

    DC is of course a decent actor, I just feel his status as an almighty thespian has been overstated somewhat, as I haven't seen a great deal of variety in performance style so far in different roles.

    The only thing I could be acccused of Trolling against is Connery's wig in NSNA, I have an irrational hatred for it which consumes me.
  • The only thing I could be acccused of Trolling against is Connery's wig in NSNA, I have an irrational hatred for it which consumes me.
    You realise he wore a wig in every one of his Bond films, right?

    Although, yeah, the Never Say Never one looked pretty ridiculous.
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    LeighBurne wrote:
    The only thing I could be acccused of Trolling against is Connery's wig in NSNA, I have an irrational hatred for it which consumes me.
    You realise he wore a wig in every one of his Bond films, right?



    Although, yeah, the Never Say Never one looked pretty ridiculous.

    Yea, I know he was always rocking the hairpiece but I think in the first 3 films it looked pretty good, got slighly more obvious from TB to DAF but the NSNA wig just takes the biscuit, I'm not sure if it's soley down to the wig, probably make up as well but Sean just looks really weird in that film, bit like Rog in AVTAK I suppose, the 80's weren't kind to the older chaps!
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    I think Connery looks his worst in DAF by far. He looks terrible in it!
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    I think Connery looks his worst in DAF by far. He looks terrible in it!

    He looks so different in DAF than he did in YOLT. Those four years had certainly not been kind.
  • Here's another potentially controversial opinion of mine - Never Say never Again is actually a fairly decent film. It's certainly not one of the worst Bond movies.
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    Here's a few of mine:

    - The underwater climax in TB is so incredibly dull.
    - Drax is quite a decent villain.
    - Christopher Lee is the ONLY thing which makes TMWTGG worth watching.
    - TSWLM is infinitely better than YOLT.
    - Whilst GE is PB's best Bond film it is also his worst performance by far.
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    Here's a few of mine:

    - The underwater climax in TB is so incredibly dull.
    - Drax is quite a decent villain.
    - Christopher Lee is the ONLY thing which makes TMWTGG worth watching.
    - TSWLM is infinitely better than YOLT.
    - Whilst GE is PB's best Bond film it is also his worst performance by far.

    Most people despise TB's underwater bits, so not controversial.

    Most people love Drax, so again not controversial, though I think he and Lonsdale are absolute shite.

    Again, not controversial. Most people will tell you that he's the only good thing about the film.

    Once again, not controversial. TSWLM is much more loved than YOLT.

    And you're five for five. Even Brosnan's supporters largely agree that he grew into the role as the films went on.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Here's a few of mine:

    - The underwater climax in TB is so incredibly dull.
    - Drax is quite a decent villain.
    - Christopher Lee is the ONLY thing which makes TMWTGG worth watching.
    - TSWLM is infinitely better than YOLT.
    - Whilst GE is PB's best Bond film it is also his worst performance by far.

    Most people despise TB's underwater bits, so not controversial.

    Most people love Drax, so again not controversial, though I think he and Lonsdale are absolute shite.

    Again, not controversial. Most people will tell you that he's the only good thing about the film.

    Once again, not controversial. TSWLM is much more loved than YOLT.

    And you're five for five. Even Brosnan's supporters largely agree that he grew into the role as the films went on.

    Absolutely. Nothing controversial here Willy. You'll have to do better.
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    That's about as controversial as I get ;-)
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    How about, Connery was basically finished from TB onwards, just phoning it in?
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    Yeah I don't think that's very controversial either. He was clearly bored by the time TB came around.
  • Posts: 1,052
    perhaps we could start a new thread titled "the least controverisal opinions about Bond films"?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Yeah I don't think that's very controversial either. He was clearly bored by the time TB came around.

    Indeed. I would say this starts to occur from the moment he lands in Kentucky in GF.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 6,396
    Jeez, I am so bloody boring. I cannot even think of anything that may be considered even slightly controversial. Roger Moore is my favourite Bond but I acknowledge he is by no means the best. See, that's not controversial either! :((
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    LeighBurne wrote:
    Here's another potentially controversial opinion of mine - Never Say never Again is actually a fairly decent film. It's certainly not one of the worst Bond movies.
    Agreed. NSNA's rival OP has the better story and action- but somehow, I find NSNA more enjoyable.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 57
    QBranch wrote:
    Agreed. NSNA's rival OP has the better story and action- but somehow, I find NSNA more enjoyable.
    It always surprises me when people harp on about how appalling in NSNA is, because I can think of several "official" Bond films that are undeniably worse.

    And to be honest, seeing someone other than Eon have a go is part of the fun. I wish there were more independent 007 movies.
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    LeighBurne wrote:
    QBranch wrote:
    Agreed. NSNA's rival OP has the better story and action- but somehow, I find NSNA more enjoyable.
    It always surprises me when people harp on about how appalling in NSNA is, because I can think of several "official" Bond films that are undeniably worse.

    And to be honest, seeing someone other than Eon have a go is part of the fun. I wish there were more independent 007 movies.

    See, now that's more controversial. I disagree with you entirely mind you but that's not the point. At least you came up with something far better than me!
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Controversial opinion:

    In OP, they should've replaced the Tarzan yell with one of the following lines:

    "Aaaahhh! This is not my idea of swinging."
    "Whaddaya know, I got the hang of it first time around!"
    "Hey Kamal, how does this sway you?"
    "Welcome to the jungle, we've got fun and games."
    "Eon isn't paying me enough for this."
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    How about, Connery was basically finished from TB onwards, just phoning it in?

    He certainly phoned it in for YOLT. DAF, not so much.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    As soon as Bond and M step into SF manor upto the point M dies is boring.
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