Controversial opinions about Bond films

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    TB has become my favorite Connery film. It’s definitely controversial to have it above FRWL and GF, and even DN, but I think it’s the one where you get the best of both worlds - a sort of combination of FRWL and GF’s styles. And Connery himself in it is just perfect.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    TB has become my favorite Connery film. It’s definitely controversial to have it above FRWL and GF, and even DN, but I think it’s the one where you get the best of both worlds - a sort of combination of FRWL and GF’s styles. And Connery himself in it is just perfect.

    Perhaps, but to me it's the epiphany of hat Bond is supposed to be: class, adventure, suspention, high life, exotic locations, on the edge of what's possible, and of course sublime ladies.

    It's the perfect mix and no extended underwater sequence can take that away.

    Oh, and extrememy good dialogue, and an arrogant, proud, ruthless advisary.
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    TB has become my favorite Connery film. It’s definitely controversial to have it above FRWL and GF, and even DN, but I think it’s the one where you get the best of both worlds - a sort of combination of FRWL and GF’s styles. And Connery himself in it is just perfect.

    Perhaps, but to me it's the epiphany of hat Bond is supposed to be: class, adventure, suspention, high life, exotic locations, on the edge of what's possible, and of course sublime ladies.

    It's the perfect mix and no extended underwater sequence can take that away.

    Oh, and extrememy good dialogue, and an arrogant, proud, ruthless advisary.

    All that is also true. It’s a relentlessly entertaining movie.
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    TB has become my favorite Connery film. It’s definitely controversial to have it above FRWL and GF, and even DN, but I think it’s the one where you get the best of both worlds - a sort of combination of FRWL and GF’s styles. And Connery himself in it is just perfect.

    It's not controversial if you make a distinction between best and favourite. FRWL is is imo the best Bond movie ever. But my favourite is TB.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    TB has become my favorite Connery film. It’s definitely controversial to have it above FRWL and GF, and even DN, but I think it’s the one where you get the best of both worlds - a sort of combination of FRWL and GF’s styles. And Connery himself in it is just perfect.

    It's not controversial if you make a distinction between best and favourite. FRWL is is imo the best Bond movie ever. But my favourite is TB.

    Good taste.
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    Well yes, I have good taste.

    I don't know if I said it before, but I think Sean Connery in DAF is the worst looking Bond.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I like the location title cards in QOS.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 16,149
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Well yes, I have good taste.

    I don't know if I said it before, but I think Sean Connery in DAF is the worst looking Bond.

    Could be. Though I'd probably go with Roger in OP or AVTAK.

    Hate to say it, but I'd go with Craig in SKYFALL. Due to his stubble, tight fitting suits and close cropped non-Bond cut.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Well yes, I have good taste.

    I don't know if I said it before, but I think Sean Connery in DAF is the worst looking Bond.

    Could be. Though I'd probably go with Roger in OP or AVTAK.

    Hate to say it, but I'd go with Craig in SKYFALL. Due to his stubble, tight fitting suits and close cropped non-Bond cut.

    The thing with SF is that, at least in those earlier scenes, Craig is supposed to look a mess. The haircut I have no answer for.

    True. Tim was also supposed to look disheveled in LTK hence his longish scruffy haircut.
    Connery in DAF I end to give a pass as he had no intention of continuing Bond and spent the previous 4 years distancing himself from the image. Agreeing to do it at the last minute he didn't have as much time to get himself into his normal Bondian shape.
    As for his sideburns and eyebrows, leading men were looking more relaxed and less glamorized by 1971. Eastwood, Gene Hackman and so forth, so it's not that out of the realm for Connery to have bushy brows and big burns.

    I always felt Roger looked alright in all of his Bonds, AVTAK included. Although a bit older, leaner and missing his trademark mole, he was always the dashing gentleman.
    His '80's Bond hairstyle was pretty much his Simon Templar look minus the shiny pomade.
  • Posts: 15,106
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Well yes, I have good taste.

    I don't know if I said it before, but I think Sean Connery in DAF is the worst looking Bond.

    Could be. Though I'd probably go with Roger in OP or AVTAK.

    Hate to say it, but I'd go with Craig in SKYFALL. Due to his stubble, tight fitting suits and close cropped non-Bond cut.

    The thing with SF is that, at least in those earlier scenes, Craig is supposed to look a mess. The haircut I have no answer for.

    True. Tim was also supposed to look disheveled in LTK hence his longish scruffy haircut.
    Connery in DAF I end to give a pass as he had no intention of continuing Bond and spent the previous 4 years distancing himself from the image. Agreeing to do it at the last minute he didn't have as much time to get himself into his normal Bondian shape.
    As for his sideburns and eyebrows, leading men were looking more relaxed and less glamorized by 1971. Eastwood, Gene Hackman and so forth, so it's not that out of the realm for Connery to have bushy brows and big burns.

    I always felt Roger looked alright in all of his Bonds, AVTAK included. Although a bit older, leaner and missing his trademark mole, he was always the dashing gentleman.
    His '80's Bond hairstyle was pretty much his Simon Templar look minus the shiny pomade.

    I think Connery didn't really cared in DAF. The public would have accepted him as a bald, moustached Bond at that point and he knew it.
  • echo wrote: »
    I love OP. It was my first Bond in the theater. And with very few tweaks--we're talking seconds here and there--it would have been even better.

    The clown makeup never bothered me. It's no more unbelievable in its haste than countless other moments in the series.

    I daresay OP is the most entertaining of the Moore films, from beginning to end. TSWLM is better made, and more important, but it drags in the final third.

    OP is just fun.

    Fair enough. I love the adventure aspect of the film and wish we had a bit more of that in the series (though one suspects they were aping Indiana Jones a bit).

    As you said, my feeling with many of Moore's movies is that EON pretty consistently leaves a few too many ideas in. No one thing they do is fatal, but heaped together it's too much. The tarzan yell AND telling the tiger to 'sit!' Too much for a single scene. What if, instead of using the watch camera to zoom in on the assistant's cleavage like a schoolboy, Moore simply wasn't paying attention to Q's lecture because he was staring? Etc etc etc.

    Leave a few ideas on the cutting room floor, EON!
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Controversial opinion: "That's as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs" sounds like pure Fleming.
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    echo wrote: »
    Controversial opinion: "That's as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs" sounds like pure Fleming.

    I think you're probably right. It's the kind of thing Fleming would say - his Bond was definitely a throwback, and nothing if not disdainful about a lot of aspects of pop culture.

    A counter-controversial opinion: although I generally quite like Fleming's Bond, I think that line in the film doesn't work. It hasn't aged well and makes Bond sound more like a stuffy killjoy than a connoisseur.
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    My own controversial opinion on the subject of music: I don't think Fleming Bond, or indeed any James Bond, would have liked many, if any, of the Bond songs. Except maybe, maybe, From Russia With Love and We Have All The Time In The World.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    My own controversial opinion on the subject of music: I don't think Fleming Bond, or indeed any James Bond, would have liked many, if any, of the Bond songs. Except maybe, maybe, From Russia With Love and We Have All The Time In The World.

    Not controversial if one has read the novels. Makes complete sense.

    I agree. Maybe I’d add DAF or YOLT but that’s about it.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    My own controversial opinion on the subject of music: I don't think Fleming Bond, or indeed any James Bond, would have liked many, if any, of the Bond songs. Except maybe, maybe, From Russia With Love and We Have All The Time In The World.

    Not controversial if one has read the novels. Makes complete sense.

    Considering th music he listened to, you're probably right.
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    Might have been able to sell him on Skyfall.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Didn't really get what bond was meaning at the end there
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited March 2019 Posts: 14,556
    You mean the 'smart/single' line? Vesper asks if 'smart' is not Bond's type. Bond replies, 'single' is not his type. I didn't get it first time around because when Vesper says 'Smart?", it's delivered more like a statement than a question.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    QBranch wrote: »
    You mean the 'smart/single' line? Vesper asks if 'smart' is not Bond's type. Bond replies, 'single' is not his type. I didn't get it first time around because when Vesper says 'Smart?", it's delivered more like a statement than a question.

    No religion
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    QBranch wrote: »
    You mean the 'smart/single' line? Vesper asks if 'smart' is not Bond's type. Bond replies, 'single' is not his type. I didn't get it first time around because when Vesper says 'Smart?", it's delivered more like a statement than a question.

    Not sure what the confusion is. Bond says "You're not my type" to which Vesper asks "Smart?" meaning he doesn't like intelligent women, to which Bond replies "Single" which means he prefers married women as described in the novels.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    You mean the 'smart/single' line? Vesper asks if 'smart' is not Bond's type. Bond replies, 'single' is not his type. I didn't get it first time around because when Vesper says 'Smart?", it's delivered more like a statement than a question.

    No religion

    She was saying that her “cover” is a strict Catholic, and therefore they’re not allowed to sleep in the same bed or have sex outside of marriage. Hence Bond’s comment about religion coming between them.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Some cover she has... that Miss Broadchest. ;)
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited March 2019 Posts: 3,126
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    You mean the 'smart/single' line? Vesper asks if 'smart' is not Bond's type. Bond replies, 'single' is not his type. I didn't get it first time around because when Vesper says 'Smart?", it's delivered more like a statement than a question.

    No religion

    She was saying that her “cover” is a strict Catholic, and therefore they’re not allowed to sleep in the same bed or have sex outside of marriage. Hence Bond’s comment about religion coming between them.

    So he hates religion or? @BMW_with_missiles
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    You mean the 'smart/single' line? Vesper asks if 'smart' is not Bond's type. Bond replies, 'single' is not his type. I didn't get it first time around because when Vesper says 'Smart?", it's delivered more like a statement than a question.

    No religion

    She was saying that her “cover” is a strict Catholic, and therefore they’re not allowed to sleep in the same bed or have sex outside of marriage. Hence Bond’s comment about religion coming between them.

    So he hates religion or? @BMW_with_missiles

    He hates when religion gets in the way of sex.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    You mean the 'smart/single' line? Vesper asks if 'smart' is not Bond's type. Bond replies, 'single' is not his type. I didn't get it first time around because when Vesper says 'Smart?", it's delivered more like a statement than a question.

    No religion

    She was saying that her “cover” is a strict Catholic, and therefore they’re not allowed to sleep in the same bed or have sex outside of marriage. Hence Bond’s comment about religion coming between them.

    So he hates religion or? @BMW_with_missiles

    He hates when religion gets in the way of sex.

    Ok that makes sense @Ludovico
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    You mean the 'smart/single' line? Vesper asks if 'smart' is not Bond's type. Bond replies, 'single' is not his type. I didn't get it first time around because when Vesper says 'Smart?", it's delivered more like a statement than a question.

    No religion

    She was saying that her “cover” is a strict Catholic, and therefore they’re not allowed to sleep in the same bed or have sex outside of marriage. Hence Bond’s comment about religion coming between them.

    So he hates religion or? @BMW_with_missiles

    He hates when religion gets in the way of sex.

    Exactly.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I’m actually confused now. What does religion have to do with vesper not being his type because she’s single.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Religion wasn’t part of the cover. I believe that was from Vesper’s real background. It was only used as a sign of dismissal towards Bond when she thought he was flirting with her to get her to bed with him.

    Religion wasn’t why Vesper wasn’t Bond’s type. It was because she was single and thought highly of herself. Bond prefers bored married women who are easier to get because they are trapped with husbands who don’t interest them anymore.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Religion wasn’t part of the cover. I believe that was from Vesper’s real background. It was only used as a sign of dismissal towards Bond when she thought he was flirting with her to get her to bed with him.

    Religion wasn’t why Vesper wasn’t Bond’s type. It was because she was single and thought highly of herself. Bond prefers bored married women who are easier to get because they are trapped with husbands who don’t interest them anymore.

    ^^ this.
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