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  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    Maybe a controversial opinion, maybe not. OP is by far my least favourite of Sir Roger's Bond films. I find it to be inherintly boring and slow paced.
  • Daniel316Daniel316 United States
    Posts: 210
    Here's one of my unpopular opinions: Diamonds Are Forever is Connery's 2nd best Bond film
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,604
    Here’s one: I enjoy every scene with M, no matter the actor or film.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,108
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Controversial - The LALD score is the coolest and best none Barry score of the series.

    For me, it has to be GE, followed by QOS and with LTK coming in third.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    Daniel316 wrote: »
    Here's one of my unpopular opinions: Diamonds Are Forever is Connery's 2nd best Bond film

    Very controversial!!! I think it’s his worst by far.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,575
    Daniel316 wrote: »
    Here's one of my unpopular opinions: Diamonds Are Forever is Connery's 2nd best Bond film

    I agree. Only FRWL tops my Connery films
  • Daniel316Daniel316 United States
    Posts: 210
    FRWL is also the top Connery film for me too
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,019
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Controversial - The LALD score is the coolest and best none Barry score of the series.
    Not controversial for me. I fully agree.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,019
    Roadphill wrote: »
    Maybe a controversial opinion, maybe not. OP is by far my least favourite of Sir Roger's Bond films. I find it to be inherintly boring and slow paced.
    I couldn't have put it any better. This is why in the "competition" between NSNA and OP at the time (1983/84) I decided I liked NSNA better, and still do. Considerably. Though I'm still a bit reluctant to elevate AVTAK above OP...but not very far from that.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Roadphill wrote: »
    Maybe a controversial opinion, maybe not. OP is by far my least favourite of Sir Roger's Bond films. I find it to be inherintly boring and slow paced.
    I couldn't have put it any better. This is why in the "competition" between NSNA and OP at the time (1983/84) I decided I liked NSNA better, and still do. Considerably. Though I'm still a bit reluctant to elevate AVTAK above OP...but not very far from that.

    I agree with @Roadphill as well. I’ve never seen NSNA.
  • Daniel316Daniel316 United States
    Posts: 210
    NSNA is worth seeing once for the historical significance but I don't see a reason to rewatch it personally
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,019
    As I mentioned before (probably several times), I had the fortune(?) of watching NSNA several times in the 80s before ever seeing Thunderball. Which is why NSNA forms the standard for me, and as a consequence I still find it more entertaining than the "original", while TB has its boring stretches (mainly in its underwater sequences). The NSNA Largo beats the TB one in just about every regard, the Barbara Carrera character is at least no worse than the Luciana Paluzzi one. I do like Claudine Auger's original Domino better then Basinger's, and if I take stuff like cinematoraphy etc. into account, TB may still be the better overall movie, but in regards of re-watchability it is no real match to NSNA.

    (Ducks and runs.)
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I enjoy many elements of NSNA. Connery is better here than in his last two EON productions, the cast (sans Basinger) is very good and the dialogue is much stronger than what we were getting form EON in those days.

    Is Basinger better or worse than Denise Richards?
  • Daniel316Daniel316 United States
    edited March 2020 Posts: 210
    Tbh NSNA is weird as it does some things better than Thunderball did such as: Felix, Pacing, Action sequences, Fatima Blush, etc but it also has issues in areas that Thunderball excels in like: Domino, Largo, Locations, Music, cinematography and Connery's overall performance. I feel both of them failed to really deliver strongly due to different issues. Although I still stand by the thought of if TB had great pacing, A much better and more rewarding Final Battle and a more developed henchmen (Perhaps Vargas) then it'd be easily a top 10 Bond film in my book probably. It's got all the tools to succeed
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Controversial opinion


    Only time will tell. I admit I hate this opinion, but I think NTTD is the film that will end up being the final James Bond movie. I hate this gut instinct. But, oh well.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion


    Only time will tell. I admit I hate this opinion, but I think NTTD is the film that will end up being the final James Bond movie. I hate this gut instinct. But, oh well.

    The name is too big. It may be the end for EON, but not James Bond.

    I should hope many agree it should be the end for EON after all their ineptitude.

    Here’s a controversial post for our site: the emotionality of the Craig era is over-hated. While I’d love to see a more straightforward, traditional approach with the next era and beyond, I think the bulk of the emotional stuff was handled extremely well in 3/4 of Craig’s films (the first 3). I think it greatly adds to the experience. Not to mention people act like it’s the first time the series has gone for emotionality. Yes, it’s been brought to a higher level, but there have been plenty of emotional moments throughout the franchise, with OHMSS being the most prominent example.

  • Daniel316Daniel316 United States
    Posts: 210
    Somehow I could also see NTTD being the last one whether it be for Bond as a whole or just EON. Personally I wouldn't mind if the series took a long break so there's time to let all the issues with this current era subside as well as give everyone a chance to breathe after imo some bad damage was done (Skyfall and Spectre's issues and almost all of NTTD's production issues). After a few years of being silent (maybe have some video games or something to fill the time) then have Bond to return to the public eye all refreshed and ready to go with hopefully a brand new production team, cast and crew to make things fresh. Just my thoughts, although I can also maybe see EON or whoever has Bond after NTTD is out, trying to make a movie for that 60th anniversary.


    Birdleson: I actually unironically like Christmas Jones though even I'll admit she's far from the best, mainly due to some poor writing choices and lack of screentime to develop. Although I don't think she's nearly as bad as she's made out to be.
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    Posts: 1,596
    When Goldfinger starts getting slandered over and over it makes me think some of y'all are spending too much time on a 007 forum ;)

    Just kidding. But also, c'mon. It's Goldfinger.
  • BT3366BT3366
    edited March 2020 Posts: 1,916
    Daniel316 wrote: »
    Tbh NSNA is weird as it does some things better than Thunderball did such as: Felix, Pacing, Action sequences, Fatima Blush, etc but it also has issues in areas that Thunderball excels in like: Domino, Largo, Locations, Music, cinematography and Connery's overall performance. I feel both of them failed to really deliver strongly due to different issues. Although I still stand by the thought of if TB had great pacing, A much better and more rewarding Final Battle and a more developed henchmen (Perhaps Vargas) then it'd be easily a top 10 Bond film in my book probably. It's got all the tools to succeed

    I'm curious which action scenes in NSNA you feel are better than TB? I can't think of any that stand out in NSNA or that come close to threatening the action sequences in any Eon Bond film. The final battle between Bond and Largo has to be the most anti-climactic of any Bond film.

    Also, Vargas didn't really need to be better developed since he was only a secondary henchman; Fiona Volpe was the main henchman/woman/person. Fatima Blush, in turn, is just a more over-the-top version of Fiona, just as I find Xenia Onatopp a copy of Blush.
    Birdleson wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion


    Only time will tell. I admit I hate this opinion, but I think NTTD is the film that will end up being the final James Bond movie. I hate this gut instinct. But, oh well.

    The name is too big. It may be the end for EON, but not James Bond 007 . But, if it is and I die in Nov. from Coronavirus immediately after seeing it my life would have been in perfect symmetry.

    Please don't. I would miss your comments on these boards. Especially since those of us who are holding out on the spoilers can finally reveal our thoughts.
  • BT3366BT3366
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    That's a cool connection. It was a sign you were meant to be a Bond fan.

    I have my own as I was born in October '66 and a double bill of DN and GF was playing in a local theater that day and it was also the week Fleming was on the cover of Life Magazine.
  • Agent_47Agent_47 Canada
    edited March 2020 Posts: 330
    Birdleson wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    That's a cool connection. It was a sign you were meant to be a Bond fan.

    I have my own as I was born in October '66 and a double bill of DN and GF was playing in a local theater that day and it was also the week Fleming was on the cover of Life Magazine.

    That was my first Bond film experience! At the drive-in, my parents took me along to that very double-feature when I was three.

    I've been a fan since 1998 and have yet to actually see any Bond film in theater... you saw two on day one. What a way to be introduced to James Bond.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    edited March 2020 Posts: 7,407
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I enjoy many elements of NSNA. Connery is better here than in his last two EON productions, the cast (sans Basinger) is very good and the dialogue is much stronger than what we were getting from EON in those days.

    I agree! Though I think OP won The Battle of the Bonds that year, and my first viewing of NSNA (St Stephen's Day 1983!) was disappointing, I was still curious to see this rival Bond movie.
    I have it on bluray now and it has improved a lot on subsequent watches!
    As Birdleson says, the cast are really good, Barbara Carrera is marvellous as Fatima Blush ( much better than that GE Onatopp rip off!)
    And Connery gives a much better performance than the likes of YOLT and DAF! Agree also that Kim Basinger is weak!
  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
    Posts: 1,081
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion


    Only time will tell. I admit I hate this opinion, but I think NTTD is the film that will end up being the final James Bond movie. I hate this gut instinct. But, oh well.

    The name is too big. It may be the end for EON, but not James Bond.

    I should hope many agree it should be the end for EON after all their ineptitude.

    Here’s a controversial post for our site: the emotionality of the Craig era is over-hated. While I’d love to see a more straightforward, traditional approach with the next era and beyond, I think the bulk of the emotional stuff was handled extremely well in 3/4 of Craig’s films (the first 3). I think it greatly adds to the experience. Not to mention people act like it’s the first time the series has gone for emotionality. Yes, it’s been brought to a higher level, but there have been plenty of emotional moments throughout the franchise, with OHMSS being the most prominent example.

    +1
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
    Posts: 814
    Daniel316 wrote: »
    Tbh NSNA is weird as it does some things better than Thunderball did such as: Felix, Pacing, Action sequences, Fatima Blush, etc but it also has issues in areas that Thunderball excels in like: Domino, Largo, Locations, Music, cinematography and Connery's overall performance. I feel both of them failed to really deliver strongly due to different issues. Although I still stand by the thought of if TB had great pacing, A much better and more rewarding Final Battle and a more developed henchmen (Perhaps Vargas) then it'd be easily a top 10 Bond film in my book probably. It's got all the tools to succeed

    So you're saying that Fatima Blush is better than Fiona Volpe? 😳 Talk about controversial. Personally I find that there's absolutley nothing that NSNA does better than TB, but I'll let the rest slide, but not that. Fiona is right alongside Tracy, Vesper and Dench's M as the Bond series' best female characters.
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
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    I am fine with Craig being the last Bond. I feel like Bond has outlived his sell date and it's time to retire him. Goodbye 007.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,244
    Thunderball wrote: »
    Daniel316 wrote: »
    Tbh NSNA is weird as it does some things better than Thunderball did such as: Felix, Pacing, Action sequences, Fatima Blush, etc but it also has issues in areas that Thunderball excels in like: Domino, Largo, Locations, Music, cinematography and Connery's overall performance. I feel both of them failed to really deliver strongly due to different issues. Although I still stand by the thought of if TB had great pacing, A much better and more rewarding Final Battle and a more developed henchmen (Perhaps Vargas) then it'd be easily a top 10 Bond film in my book probably. It's got all the tools to succeed

    So you're saying that Fatima Blush is better than Fiona Volpe? 😳 Talk about controversial. Personally I find that there's absolutley nothing that NSNA does better than TB, but I'll let the rest slide, but not that. Fiona is right alongside Tracy, Vesper and Dench's M as the Bond series' best female characters.
    +1!!

    All that's been on my mind reading the above is 'Fatima over fiona' how on earth...
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I enjoy many elements of NSNA. Connery is better here than in his last two EON productions, the cast (sans Basinger) is very good and the dialogue is much stronger than what we were getting from EON in those days.

    NSNA is a great Bond film. Strong psycho villain too. Great locations, cast, plot, directing, Bond has a Bentley, great femme fatale, sharks, one liners....
  • IGotABrudderIGotABrudder UK
    Posts: 631
    FoxRox wrote: »
    there have been plenty of emotional moments throughout the franchise, with OHMSS being the most prominent example.

    Yes, this. There are flashes of emotion in many of Roger’s movies, not sustained emotion admittedly, but still brief glimpses of Bond’s feelings or fears, a crack in the facade. Dalton was good at expressing inner emotion too.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,462
    IGotABrudder wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    there have been plenty of emotional moments throughout the franchise, with OHMSS being the most prominent example.

    Yes, this. There are flashes of emotion in many of Roger’s movies, not sustained emotion admittedly, but still brief glimpses of Bond’s feelings or fears, a crack in the facade. Dalton was good at expressing inner emotion too.

    Correct. As I admitted the emotional factor has been heightened with the recent films, but I still think it’s a little hypocritical when people hate on Craig’s films for having it. And I think his adventures are better for it. There are seriously great, dramatic moments in CR, QOS, and SF that only make the films better.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    I find that Connery's 007 from NSNA is actually one of his best performances as 007 he really enjoys his part which cannot be said about DAF which felt like him going through the moves but never really convincing. With NSNA his old 007 was back.
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