Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited March 2020 Posts: 8,179
    The car chase music was great and fit the tone of the scene like a glove.
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    I'm not feeling the love for Serra's score. To me it sounds dated (which most of JBs do not, for example) and doesn't feel much like a Bond score.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I wouldn’t call it dated. It’s not a sound that’s stuck in its era for me.
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    A Bond score can be many things, but the one thing it shouldn't be is unexciting, and that is where Serra comes a cropper.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited March 2020 Posts: 5,131
    The car chase music was great and fit the tone of the scene like a glove.

    The car chase music was absolutely terrible and fit the tone of the scene like the unfortunate OJ Simpson murder glove. I.E it didn’t fit at all.

    Cheap 70’s German porn music.
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    I wouldn’t call it dated. It’s not a sound that’s stuck in its era for me.

    Then I would say JB soundtracks are timeless and (ignoring the tones and locations of the films) could fit in in any Bond movie. I don't think GE's transplants well. Of course some do not think that is a bad thing.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    STLCards3 wrote: »
    I wouldn’t call it dated. It’s not a sound that’s stuck in its era for me.

    Then I would say JB soundtracks are timeless and (ignoring the tones and locations of the films) could fit in in any Bond movie. I don't think GE's transplants well. Of course some do not think that is a bad thing.

    I disagree with this sentiment. Most Bond films have scores that are perfectly suited to the films they’re made for. TB and MR have great Barry soundtracks, but neither would work for the other if you swapped them.
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    STLCards3 wrote: »
    I wouldn’t call it dated. It’s not a sound that’s stuck in its era for me.

    Then I would say JB soundtracks are timeless and (ignoring the tones and locations of the films) could fit in in any Bond movie. I don't think GE's transplants well. Of course some do not think that is a bad thing.

    I disagree with this sentiment. Most Bond films have scores that are perfectly suited to the films they’re made for. TB and MR have great Barry soundtracks, but neither would work for the other if you swapped them.

    That is why I said "ignoring tones and locations." Either could have fit in a water or space Bond 10, 20, or 30 years later.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    STLCards3 wrote: »
    I wouldn’t call it dated. It’s not a sound that’s stuck in its era for me.

    Then I would say JB soundtracks are timeless and (ignoring the tones and locations of the films) could fit in in any Bond movie. I don't think GE's transplants well. Of course some do not think that is a bad thing.

    I disagree with this sentiment. Most Bond films have scores that are perfectly suited to the films they’re made for. TB and MR have great Barry soundtracks, but neither would work for the other if you swapped them.

    I agree and that's why I feel GE's score works so well. It is very fitting for the theme of the movie. While for instance TND, TWINE and DAD could be swapped around and it wouldn't change much.
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    STLCards3 wrote: »
    I wouldn’t call it dated. It’s not a sound that’s stuck in its era for me.

    Then I would say JB soundtracks are timeless and (ignoring the tones and locations of the films) could fit in in any Bond movie. I don't think GE's transplants well. Of course some do not think that is a bad thing.

    I disagree with this sentiment. Most Bond films have scores that are perfectly suited to the films they’re made for. TB and MR have great Barry soundtracks, but neither would work for the other if you swapped them.

    I agree and that's why I feel GE's score works so well. It is very fitting for the theme of the movie. While for instance TND, TWINE and DAD could be swapped around and it wouldn't change much.

    I'd say TND, TWINE, and DAD are more forgettable than anything. Which may or may not be worse depending on what you remember the other for.

    I'd say none of the non-Barry outings are as good as most all of the Barry outings.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    The car chase music was great and fit the tone of the scene like a glove.

    The car chase music was absolutely terrible and fit the tone of the scene like the unfortunate OJ Simpson murder glove. I.E it didn’t fit at all.

    Cheap 70’s German porn music.

    I saw a YouTube video recently where Serra's music for the scene was replaced by Arnold's 'Backseat driver' and it made it so much better! 👍
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    STLCards3 wrote: »
    I wouldn’t call it dated. It’s not a sound that’s stuck in its era for me.

    Then I would say JB soundtracks are timeless and (ignoring the tones and locations of the films) could fit in in any Bond movie. I don't think GE's transplants well. Of course some do not think that is a bad thing.

    I disagree with this sentiment. Most Bond films have scores that are perfectly suited to the films they’re made for. TB and MR have great Barry soundtracks, but neither would work for the other if you swapped them.

    I agree and that's why I feel GE's score works so well. It is very fitting for the theme of the movie. While for instance TND, TWINE and DAD could be swapped around and it wouldn't change much.


    Fits the tone of the movie? You mean like in bland and tasteless?

    I am not Goldeneye´s biggest fan myself, but I´m not that harsh...
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Bland, tasteless, and generic is how I’d describe Arnold’s run.
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    Bland, tasteless, and generic is how I’d describe Arnold’s run.

    What do you think of his QoS score? I read somewhere that was the only score he had to compose without already seeing the scenes, and that gives the score a much more evocative feel rather than imitative. I really like his score for that film.

    I largely agree with you about Arnold, but I'm warmer on him than you are I think in the end.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    QOS is easily his best effort, but he still falls into the same traps he did with the Brosnan era as far as action cues go.
  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
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    QOS is easily his best effort, but he still falls into the same traps he did with the Brosnan era as far as action cues go.





    +1

    These could be interchangeable. There are many examples.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’ll easily take this divisive track from Arnold, because at least he seemed like he was trying to do something different from his usual flourishes. And you can never go wrong using that OHMSS descending four note at 0:41.


  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
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    I’ll easily take this divisive track from Arnold, because at least he seemed like he was trying to do something different from his usual flourishes. And you can never go wrong using that OHMSS descending four note at 0:41.



    I'd argue that of the Brosnan era soundtracks from Arnold that Die Another Day was his best, IMO.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Bland, tasteless, and generic is how I’d describe Arnold’s run.

    What do you think of his QoS score? I read somewhere that was the only score he had to compose without already seeing the scenes, and that gives the score a much more evocative feel rather than imitative. I really like his score for that film.

    I largely agree with you about Arnold, but I'm warmer on him than you are I think in the end.

    I think QOS is his best one. I'd even say it's my favourite non-Barry score after my beloved GE.

    His other scores, however, don't impress me all that much. He does some fine work in each one of them, but he also loses himself in total musical chaos on numerous occasions. Especially climax cues like Submarine, Antonov and Fall of a House in Venice are particularly poor.
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    Controversial opinion:

    I think Sir Roger Moore looked his BEST in A VIEW TO A KILL.
    He's lean, mean, has cool clothes and is as dashing as ever.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I think Sir Roger Moore looked his BEST in A VIEW TO A KILL.
    He's lean, mean, has cool clothes and is as dashing as ever.

    Although I don't think he looked his best in AVTAK, I definitely think he still looked the part.

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    My AVTAK related controversial opinion: the criticisms of the Stacey Sutton character (or Tanya Roberts for that matter) is massively overrated. I actually really like that character.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Never really disliked her either, though she does irritate me in the elevator fire.

    On the other hand, I really like Mary Goodnight.
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    I liked Stacey Sutton as well. I prefer her over many of the later Brosnan era and Craig era Bond girls.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
    edited March 2020 Posts: 814
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I think Sir Roger Moore looked his BEST in A VIEW TO A KILL.
    He's lean, mean, has cool clothes and is as dashing as ever.
    I think he looks best in LALD.
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    Controversial opinion:
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    (I mean the cars not the actors)

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I think Sir Roger Moore looked his BEST in A VIEW TO A KILL.
    He's lean, mean, has cool clothes and is as dashing as ever.
    I think he looks best in LALD.
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    Controversial opinion:
    e86616a9819e5e905df2bac5033a51f5--bond-cars-timothy-dalton.jpg is better than 3e1502cf200ab757726b4d63fce48780.jpg

    (I mean the cars not the actors)

    Agreed on Sir Roger, but not on the Aston’s.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I'm somewhat undecided regarding the Astons. No doubt that at the present time I'd prefer to somehow own a DB5, simply because it is probably worth three or four times (or maybe more, haven't cared to research this ) as much as the Vantage (or whatever) V8. Then again I could see myself in a "cruiser" (such as the V8, whether the one in OHMSS, The Persuaders, or TLD) rather than in a DB5. It's probably more my style. Minus the extra high-beams and extra foglights on the one in the Dalton picture. Any car that needs modifications from the third-party parts market just isn't perfect. "Tuning" has been ruining far too many cars already.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I'm definitely on board taking the V8 over the db5. I think the db5 is overrated, although still a beautiful design. But the 4 I think is more beautiful and de V8 just oozes cool and charisma.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Bring back the classic Bentley.

    I’d like to see a modern Bond film where his personal car is a Bentley Continental GT.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    I do still adore the DB5, it's one of the most gorgeous, iconic automobiles ever. But I think I'm rather tired of seeing it reappear in the Bond series. Plus the V8 Vantage just has this attitude and muscle about it that I frankly find largely absent in a number of other UK sports cars. Call it the loud-ass American in me.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Never been a fan of the DB5, and after so many appearances, I am sick of the sight of it. Just nuke the damn thing, and never bring it back ever again. The V8 Vantage and DBS (OHMSS) are much better looking, in fact, I would go further and say that the DBS is the best looking Bond car, full stop.
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