Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    My controversial opinion : Jaws is a very overrated henchman, while Tee Hee and Gobinda are underrated. Especially the former, who is one of the few musclemen villains of the franchise to be more than a grunting brute.

    Tee Hee and Baron Samedi are the highlights of LALD in my opinion, hilarious yet threatening the both of them!

    I agree, these are great henchment. Baron Samedi is just the best, I love that character.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I think Ralph Fiennes should stay for the next Bond. He’s fun, and not as overexposed as Judi Dench.

    I agree. Although as it's said Judi Dench played 2 different M's, I'd like Fiennes to be Sir Miles during the next re-boot.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I think Ralph Fiennes should stay for the next Bond. He’s fun, and not as overexposed as Judi Dench.

    I agree. Although as it's said Judi Dench played 2 different M's, I'd like Fiennes to be Sir Miles during the next re-boot.

    I agree on Sir Miles 100%! If Judi Dench can do it, so can Ralph Fiennes.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I think Ralph Fiennes should stay for the next Bond. He’s fun, and not as overexposed as Judi Dench.

    I agree. Although as it's said Judi Dench played 2 different M's, I'd like Fiennes to be Sir Miles during the next re-boot.

    I see what you mean, but Dench never *explicitly* played two separate Ms. If Fiennes comes back, I'd prefer if his name wasn't addressed at all.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Dench returning as M but as a different iteration was pretty interesting. My understanding is that the writers initially wrote M under the assumption that it would be played by a new actor before Martin Campbell suggested bringing Dench back, which is why M in CR seems more hot tempered than the much colder "bean counter" from Brosnan's run.
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    My imoression is that Barbara and the producers are very happy with the new MI6 gang, and rightly so in my opinion. I think they would want to keep them on as a continuation into the next era.
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    jobo wrote: »
    My imoression is that Barbara and the producers are very happy with the new MI6 gang, and rightly so in my opinion. I think they would want to keep them on as a continuation into the next era.

    I quite like all of them, and think they do well in the roles. However, I suppose a downside is that they're all becoming (increasingly) expensive - that's a lot of heavy hitters to have to re-hire for every film. I wonder if budget tightening could lead to re-casting. . .
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    My controversial opinion : Jaws is a very overrated henchman, while Tee Hee and Gobinda are underrated. Especially the former, who is one of the few musclemen villains of the franchise to be more than a grunting brute.

    I agree. I’d add Red Grant to that underrated list too.
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    My controversial opinion : Jaws is a very overrated henchman, while Tee Hee and Gobinda are underrated. Especially the former, who is one of the few musclemen villains of the franchise to be more than a grunting brute.

    I agree. I’d add Red Grant to that underrated list too.

    Well hopefully Grant is not underrated! He's THE first henchman of the series, masterfully played by Robert Shaw, maybe THE best actor who ever played in a Bond film and he spawned a lot of pale imitators, both in the franchise and outside the franchise. He's the benchmark of henchmen and I'd argue he's the main antagonist of the movie.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited April 2020 Posts: 7,110
    Madonna’s song is not only good it blows away all the other mediocre Brosnan song titles.

    I don't agree about it blowing away the other songs of the era, but I am a sucker for electro beats so I do share your love for Madonna's DAD.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    My controversial opinion : Jaws is a very overrated henchman, while Tee Hee and Gobinda are underrated. Especially the former, who is one of the few musclemen villains of the franchise to be more than a grunting brute.

    I agree. I’d add Red Grant to that underrated list too.

    Well hopefully Grant is not underrated! He's THE first henchman of the series, masterfully played by Robert Shaw, maybe THE best actor who ever played in a Bond film and he spawned a lot of pale imitators, both in the franchise and outside the franchise. He's the benchmark of henchmen and I'd argue he's the main antagonist of the movie.

    I wholeheartedly agree. But he often isn’t mentioned in ‘best of’ articles.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Madonna’s song is not only good it blows away all the other mediocre Brosnan song titles.

    I don't agree about it blowing away the other songs of the era, but I am a sucker for electro beats so I do share your love for Madonna's DAD.

    Goldeneye is the best Bond title song of the Brosnan era by a country mile. DAD is the worst title song of the series and the lyrics sound like they were written in 10 minutes. Modern dance music has no place as a Bond title song.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Madonna’s song is not only good it blows away all the other mediocre Brosnan song titles.

    I don't agree about it blowing away the other songs of the era, but I am a sucker for electro beats so I do share your love for Madonna's DAD.

    Goldeneye is the best Bond title song of the Brosnan era by a country mile. DAD is the worst title song of the series and the lyrics sound like they were written in 10 minutes. Modern dance music has no place as a Bond title song.

    While I'm not so sure whether I'd be as uncompromising as your final sentence is worded, I otherwise wholeheartedly agree with your post. The only redeeming value of Madonna's DAD theme is that it fits the situation and strikingly increases the feeling of being tortured, in line with Bond's ordeals being shown in the background of the titles where the nude women used to be.
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    My controversial opinion : Jaws is a very overrated henchman, while Tee Hee and Gobinda are underrated. Especially the former, who is one of the few musclemen villains of the franchise to be more than a grunting brute.

    I agree. I’d add Red Grant to that underrated list too.

    Well hopefully Grant is not underrated! He's THE first henchman of the series, masterfully played by Robert Shaw, maybe THE best actor who ever played in a Bond film and he spawned a lot of pale imitators, both in the franchise and outside the franchise. He's the benchmark of henchmen and I'd argue he's the main antagonist of the movie.

    I wholeheartedly agree. But he often isn’t mentioned in ‘best of’ articles.
    Me too. What I like about Grant is he's more frightening than the Jaws or Oddjobs of the series because he's cold, real and deadly at the same time until his tipping point of greed is called out.

    If people want the likes of the more flashy, gimmicky henchmen in best ofs, that's their right, but Grant isn't simply a case of the older, Connery era being overpraised for their classic sense. He's simply not tarnished by age.
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    My controversial opinion : Jaws is a very overrated henchman, while Tee Hee and Gobinda are underrated. Especially the former, who is one of the few musclemen villains of the franchise to be more than a grunting brute.

    I agree. I’d add Red Grant to that underrated list too.

    Well hopefully Grant is not underrated! He's THE first henchman of the series, masterfully played by Robert Shaw, maybe THE best actor who ever played in a Bond film and he spawned a lot of pale imitators, both in the franchise and outside the franchise. He's the benchmark of henchmen and I'd argue he's the main antagonist of the movie.

    I wholeheartedly agree. But he often isn’t mentioned in ‘best of’ articles.
    Me too. What I like about Grant is he's more frightening than the Jaws or Oddjobs of the series because he's cold, real and deadly at the same time until his tipping point of greed is called out.

    If people want the likes of the more flashy, gimmicky henchmen in best ofs, that's their right, but Grant isn't simply a case of the older, Connery era being overpraised for their classic sense. He's simply not tarnished by age.

    That's what I love about Grant : he does not need a scar, outlandish gadgets, a goatee, or whatever to appear menacing. Just the piercing blue eyes, the sharp voice, the precision, the professionalism. He's one of the reasons why I find FRWL the scariest Bond movie.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    My controversial opinion : Jaws is a very overrated henchman, while Tee Hee and Gobinda are underrated. Especially the former, who is one of the few musclemen villains of the franchise to be more than a grunting brute.

    I agree. I’d add Red Grant to that underrated list too.

    Well hopefully Grant is not underrated! He's THE first henchman of the series, masterfully played by Robert Shaw, maybe THE best actor who ever played in a Bond film and he spawned a lot of pale imitators, both in the franchise and outside the franchise. He's the benchmark of henchmen and I'd argue he's the main antagonist of the movie.

    I wholeheartedly agree. But he often isn’t mentioned in ‘best of’ articles.
    Me too. What I like about Grant is he's more frightening than the Jaws or Oddjobs of the series because he's cold, real and deadly at the same time until his tipping point of greed is called out.

    If people want the likes of the more flashy, gimmicky henchmen in best ofs, that's their right, but Grant isn't simply a case of the older, Connery era being overpraised for their classic sense. He's simply not tarnished by age.

    That's what I love about Grant : he does not need a scar, outlandish gadgets, a goatee, or whatever to appear menacing. Just the piercing blue eyes, the sharp voice, the precision, the professionalism. He's one of the reasons why I find FRWL the scariest Bond movie.


    Amen to that!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited May 2020 Posts: 45,489
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I absolutely adore Scaramanga, I think he might even be my favourite villain of the franchise. Then again, I've always liked TMWTGG more than most. It is definitely my favourite Moore entry and it sits comfortably around my top 5.

    Speaking of Moore's tenure, I must be one of the few people on this planet who actually prefers his lesser praised entries, TMWTGG, MR, OP and AVTAK, to his more popular entries LALD, TSWLM and FYEO.

    Agreed on all acounts. Maybe not about Scaramanga as the top villain of the series, but we align with the rest of your assessments.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I don't really get why some complain about QOS 's Aston Martin being different to the one from CR, as he did crash the latter one in that movie. Rather logical he'd have a different one later on.

    Speaking of cars, I absolutely love the maroon Lotus from FYEO. What a sight, driving that car into Cortina d'Ampezzo, with the skis on top. Not practical, but boy it looks awesome.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I don't really get why some complain about QOS 's Aston Martin being different to the one from CR, as he did crash the latter one in that movie. Rather logical he'd have a different one later on.

    Speaking of cars, I absolutely love the maroon Lotus from FYEO. What a sight, driving that car into Cortina d'Ampezzo, with the skis on top. Not practical, but boy it looks awesome.

    Good point about the car. I've heard people complain also that Bond is wearing a different suit in the PTS of QoS, than he is at the end of CR, which is a little harder to explain; when would he have had time to change? :P
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    edited May 2020 Posts: 9,024
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I don't really get why some complain about QOS 's Aston Martin being different to the one from CR, as he did crash the latter one in that movie. Rather logical he'd have a different one later on.

    EVERY DB5 after TB is a different one, until SF pretends (!) that the original one is back.

    The original is the one registered as BMT216A, originally from an episode of The Saint, but re-painted from red to "silver birch". That one appeared in GF and TB.

    In GF, we have another Silver Birch DB5, registered as BMT214A. Whatever one thinks of it, it's a different car. This may also be the one parked at Oxford in TND.

    The one in CR is left-hand drive and registered outside the UK. It can't really be the one we see later (nor earlier, of course), unless one believes that Q Section spends ridiculous amounts to rebuild it to a 1963 right-hand drive edition, so that it matches the one in GF and TB and also could be featured in SF...and maybe later. I'd accept it as a once-off item in CR, never to be seen again. Just being a DB5 for the benefit of Bond nostalgiacs (is that a word? I think you know what I mean.)

    It doesn't make any difference if Bond crashed one or the other in any movie. If it reappears with the same registration, it's the same car, and we somehow have to assume it has been repaired. But if not, it isn't, and we should simply forget about that, like with other continuity issues in the series. Why wonder about a DB5 while the actor changes five times over the decades?

    The reappearance of the "original" DB5 (BMT216A) in Skyfall was a brazen kow-tow to traditional fans, and no more. It made no sense...and yet everybody loved it. It shouldn't happen again, but it didn't hurt at all. Let's just not pretend that car has to be around forever, waiting for its deployment in the Q Sections storage department. It looks they haven't learned that lesson in NTTD, but I'll wait and see when the pandemic is over.

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I don't really get why some complain about QOS 's Aston Martin being different to the one from CR, as he did crash the latter one in that movie. Rather logical he'd have a different one later on.

    EVERY DB5 after TB is a different one, until SF pretends (!) that the original one is back.

    The original is the one registered as BMT216A, originally from an episode of The Saint, but re-painted from red to "silver birch". That one appeared in GF and TB.

    In GF, we have another Silver Birch DB5, registered as BMT214A. Whatever one thinks of it, it's a different car. This may also be the one parked at Oxford in TND.

    The one in CR is left-hand drive and registered outside the UK. It can't really be the one we see later (nor earlier, of course), unless one believes that Q Section spends ridiculous amounts to rebuild it to a 1963 right-hand drive edition, so that it matches the one in GF and TB and also could be featured in SF...and maybe later. I'd accept it as a once-off item in CR, never to be seen again. Just being a DB5 for the benefit of Bond nostalgiacs (is that a word? I think you know what I mean.)

    It doesn't make any difference if Bond crashed one or the other in any movie. If it reappears with the same registration, it's the same car, and wDBe somehow have to assume it has been repaired. But if not, it isn't, and we should simply forget about that, like with other continuity issues in the series. Why wonder about a DB5 while the actor changes five times over the decades?

    The reappearance of the "original" DB5 (BMT216A) in Skyfall was a brazen kow-tow to traditional fans, and no more. It made no sense...and yet everybody loved it. It shouldn't happen again, but it didn't hurt at all. Let's just not pretend that car has to be around forever, waiting for its deployment in the Q Sections storage department. It looks they haven't learned that lesson in NTTD, but I'll wait and see when the pandemic is over.

    At the end of the day, you're 100% correct. I didn't know the original DB5 w as from the Saint, that's really cool. At the end of the day NTTD will feature yet another DB5 than even the one at the end of Spectre, with updated gadgets. It would be cooler if they just kept using more and more modern Astons, like the DB5 was in Goldfinger.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,024
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I don't really get why some complain about QOS 's Aston Martin being different to the one from CR, as he did crash the latter one in that movie. Rather logical he'd have a different one later on.

    EVERY DB5 after TB is a different one, until SF pretends (!) that the original one is back.

    The original is the one registered as BMT216A, originally from an episode of The Saint, but re-painted from red to "silver birch". That one appeared in GF and TB.

    In GF, we have another Silver Birch DB5, registered as BMT214A. Whatever one thinks of it, it's a different car. This may also be the one parked at Oxford in TND.

    The one in CR is left-hand drive and registered outside the UK. It can't really be the one we see later (nor earlier, of course), unless one believes that Q Section spends ridiculous amounts to rebuild it to a 1963 right-hand drive edition, so that it matches the one in GF and TB and also could be featured in SF...and maybe later. I'd accept it as a once-off item in CR, never to be seen again. Just being a DB5 for the benefit of Bond nostalgiacs (is that a word? I think you know what I mean.)

    It doesn't make any difference if Bond crashed one or the other in any movie. If it reappears with the same registration, it's the same car, and wDBe somehow have to assume it has been repaired. But if not, it isn't, and we should simply forget about that, like with other continuity issues in the series. Why wonder about a DB5 while the actor changes five times over the decades?

    The reappearance of the "original" DB5 (BMT216A) in Skyfall was a brazen kow-tow to traditional fans, and no more. It made no sense...and yet everybody loved it. It shouldn't happen again, but it didn't hurt at all. Let's just not pretend that car has to be around forever, waiting for its deployment in the Q Sections storage department. It looks they haven't learned that lesson in NTTD, but I'll wait and see when the pandemic is over.

    At the end of the day, you're 100% correct. I didn't know the original DB5 w as from the Saint, that's really cool. At the end of the day NTTD will feature yet another DB5 than even the one at the end of Spectre, with updated gadgets. It would be cooler if they just kept using more and more modern Astons, like the DB5 was in Goldfinger.

    Try this for a start: https://www.imcdb.org/v223582.html
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I just can't get caught up in continuity between Bond films, so it's never bothered me. I mean, I know it's not real. I just want each of the films to make sense internally.

    Which is why OHMSS is a great film.
  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I just can't get caught up in continuity between Bond films, so it's never bothered me. I mean, I know it's not real. I just want each of the films to make sense internally.

    100%
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    Octopussy wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I just can't get caught up in continuity between Bond films, so it's never bothered me. I mean, I know it's not real. I just want each of the films to make sense internally.

    100%

    I also agree. We have to promise not to become like disgruntled Star Wars Nerds. :)
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    STLCards3 wrote: »
    Octopussy wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I just can't get caught up in continuity between Bond films, so it's never bothered me. I mean, I know it's not real. I just want each of the films to make sense internally.

    100%

    I also agree. We have to promise not to become like disgruntled Star Wars Nerds. :)

    What a venomous community. Doesn't apply to all (or hopefully most) Star Wars fans of course.
  • Agent_OneAgent_One Ireland
    edited May 2020 Posts: 280
    I feel that's somewhat unfair to the SW fandom. The continuity over there is utterly screwed, and the latest films themselves make no sense at all.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited May 2020 Posts: 7,546
    Agent_One wrote: »
    I feel that's somewhat unfair to the SW fandom. The continuity over there is utterly screwed, and the latest films themselves make no sense at all.

    Star Wars fans have ruined people's lives (Jake Lloyd) and otherwise treat Star Wars actors horrifically because of things they didn't like in the movie/story (Kelly Marie Tran, Daisy Ridley, both of whom had to delete their social media); I don't think you could say that about Bond fans or many other fandoms.

    Again, as a Star Wars fan, I'm not saying all of them, I'd just say they have the most vicious vocal minority.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Yeah, it’s a very small portion of the SW community but boy are those whack jobs LOUD.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Yeah, it’s a very small portion of the SW community but boy are those whack jobs LOUD.

    And it's ironic because from the first frames of Star Wars, Carrie Fisher played a strong independent woman! RIP Carrie Fisher.
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