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Not that I am going to take out a second mortgage just to own an Omega or Orlebar Brown clothing ensemble and I have no desire to own a real Walther PPk. But I find close approximations from time to time that give me a Bond vibe.
I think it all has to do with the cultural political climate where certain men are more sensitive to seeing such things because now they just react as if it’s all an agenda/conspiracy to bring down the alpha male archetype. If Ellen Ripley and T2 Sarah Connor made their debuts today these type of fanboys would scream to the heavens about Hollywood shoving girl power at them. But because they grew up with those heroes as kids, they’re acceptable. That’s the nice thing about the kids growing up with Star Wars today is that they can enjoy these films as pure entertainment without fanboys railing about “the agenda”. To them Rey is just a hero to look up to, rather than bitch about on the internet.
You truly underestimate the fans of Doctro Who, and certainly the 007 fans are nothing to be proud about with craigisnotbond website which did very well initially.
There are always fans that do not seem understand the difference between being a fan and real life.
Fair point, I'm sure you're right that there are bad apples among many fandoms. I'd still say it's worth reading up on Jake Lloyd's life story.
I think Rey is an example where the "Mary Sue" allegations are not just sexist drivel, but actually are quite justified. I think she is a great and very charismatic actor. She deserved a much better character to play.
But then Rey is the least of the new trilogy´s problems...
All correct.
Claims that ST critics are just sexist trolls don't add up. Of the Disney SW films, the one most popular with these people, and probably SW fans on the whole, is Rogue One, which also has a female lead.
I thought TFA had the potential to be the best in the series when I saw the first 20 minutes, but Rey's being better at everything than anyone around her was a major factor in my turning on it. I mean, if Ellen Ripley were anything like Rey, the aliens and androids would have been no match for her....
More on topic: MK12 should do the Bond titles. Kleinman does some amazing stuff, but he has a tendency toward heavy-handed imagery. I mean, a gravestone with the name "Bond" on it? (hint: it's a symbol of Bond dying!) Vesper as the Queen of Hearts? All the digitization stuff in TND, a film about newspapers and cable TV?
It's the opposite problem to Maurice, who often gave up 1/3 through the titles and just starting putting more girls aiming guns on the screen.
You´ve got 007 fans in all forms to dismiss them because they like one performer better than the other is daft. This group of fans did not like Craig as the new 007 which is their choice, we have not heard from them since CR, I take they were convinced.
Fans come in many guises whether you agree with them or not, you´ve got the nutty ones and the quiet ones and a scala of fans in between.
And I felt Binder at a certain point got too lazy with his titles when they started to not reflect on the films thematically. In YOLT there’s so much Japanese imagery evoked it couldn’t be mistaken for any other Bond film, whereas 20 years later the titles for TLD and LTK were so interchangeable that even Cubby was upset over how lazy they turned out that he was not going to bring him back anyway even if he hadn’t passed away. I highly doubt Binder would have come up with better titles than Kleinman’s on GE unless he really upped his game back to what it used to he in the 60/70s films.
I think they still have a forum, but it’s a different site from what it originally started in 2005. Back then the site was founded by Deanna Brayton, who actually admitted that she wasn’t a Bond fan but rather of Brosnan himself, and the original purpose of the site was to call for a boycott not only to get rid of Craig but also bring back Brosnan, citing DAF’s return of Connery as an example of how it could be done. Of course when CR became a hit the likelihood of Brosnan returning was nonexistent and Brayton has since abandoned the site and it went onto become more of a haven for the fans that simply don’t like Craig and/or the reboot. I used to post there just because I like to have a good debate with fans with different opinions, and there’s some good blokes there aside from crazy ones like BJ (if anyone remembers him from the KTBEU years). Haven’t visited it in years though.
As an aside, who exactly would've they replaced Binder with?
You're probably right. In Binder's defense, the titles for TLD do include "daylights," and LTK does have images of targets hovering on dancing girls, more dancing girls getting "shot" by a PPK, and that lady near the end firing a revolver. Nevertheless, it still feels generic and shows his level of invention has declined. There are even fewer nudes than usual.
Kleinman's titles for GE were excellent and had some unforgettable images (the gun sliding out of the girl's mouth for example). He had an excellent run during the Brosnan era. I'm less enamored of his titles for SF and Spectre--some of the imagery is risible (octopus tentacles on shirtless Craig) and they rely too much on CGI-generated images. I wouldn't mind if the next title relied on more organic imagery, and perhaps even a few silhouettes and nude girls.
Bond often gets his share of "conditional" fans once a new actor is cast. Most stay, some don't. I remember some people I've met who still wanted Dalton when Brosnan became Bond. One of them even said right after the success of GE that it was time for the series to stop. I guess it is what happened regarding craigisnotbond.com : lots of conditional fans who thought Brosnan could do it eternally.
Who knows how we'll react to the next 007, seen enough hostility towards Brosnan & Craig as they are 007 in the internet age, I expect some issues with the next one too.
But even if I am not a Craig 007 fan I do prefer him going out/on with a great movie and have a wee more confidence in the new director than Mendes.
But I also never bought into the best Bond since Connery talk which seemed to instantly become bestowed on him after GE. I've been a huge fan of Craig's portrayal and am eager to see who replaces him unless the producers go too far out to conform to certain trends.
Only after seeing CR I found his portrayal a tad too brutish for Bond, even though the part was well-acted. He made up for that with a very stylish performance in QOS of course.
I do believe the thing fans of Dalton and Brosnan share is the sentiment that they didn’t do enough films, that they were robbed of a longer legacy (especially in Dalton’s case). I don’t think that’s how Craig’s fans will feel, so there shouldn’t be any unneeded resentment for the new guy. Craig has done the longest since Roger Moore, as nobody did fifth film since 1981 with FYEO. Craig is also leaving on his own terms with NTTD, whereas LTK and DAD were not meant to be the final films for Dalton and Brosnan when they were made.
chairman of UA did not want to continue with Dalton because he failed to be accepted with the American audiences at that time, but Brosnan was not given a 5th because he got replaced, so I can understand the Brosnan fans being annoyed. he did very well with his movies so EON had not cause of replacing him. So I can understand the Brosnan 007 fans being somewhat miffed.
Diffeence between the two is that Brosnans reign was well into the internet era whereas the other 007's were safely clear from them.
If the Internet were popular in the '80s, or even 1995, there would have been a lot of complaining about the Brosnan-Dalton situation.
True but they will still call Craig better and why did he not do the sixth it would have been better. Except when EON takes a long break even Craig is a 50+ person already.
I am curious to see wether the producers will be tempted to go for an established, well known A-list star, or if they will continue the tradition of hiring fairly unknown actors.
Moore was actually fairly well known when cast.