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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Agree and agree.

    I like all the Bond titles so far, and if they got away with Octopussy anything is possible. Quantum of Solace. The Hildebrand Rarity. The Property of a Lady. Risico. All good.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I always thought they would never use Quantum of Solace as a title!!, so it is possible they might use The Hildebrand Rarity though i still think it sounds too Robert Ludlum!!

    Bar ‘007 in New York’ any Fleming title is good with me.

    Same here. And I agree that The Hindebrand Rarity is a good title. Quantum of Solace too, regardless of what one may think of the movie itself. Beside, it would not be too difficult making the fish an element of the plot, if only as MacGuffin.

    It wouldn’t even have to be a fish. You could simply change what the title refers to. Just as Moonraker was originally about a missile and then the movie changed it to a space shuttle.

    Gotta join in on the bafflement @Revelator had over QOS never even bothering to explain the title. You could have had Mathis coin that term. In fact, I actually expected it to be him to do that before seeing the movie and was surprised that it never happened.

    Actually, the most baffling thing was naming the organization Quantum. That was just stupid, because it inadvertently confuses the title of the film where you can now read it as TERRORIST ORGANIZATION OF COMFORT. Seemed like nobody at EON thought anything through. And the naming of the villains “Quantum” must have happened late into production because they originally started shooting before the film even had a title. That probably explains why the only two instances a character says “Quantum” was ADR. Although there’s the “Q” lapel pins, I dunno how far into production that was.

    It wouldn't have to be a fish, but I always thought it could easily be a rare fish as per the short story, used as bait (no pun intended) by Bond to get to a villain who is into ichtiology (spelling?). A bit like the gold bar in Goldfinger. No other value to the villain's scheme, only something he craves and that could become his Achilles' Heel.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    jobo wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I honestly don´t understand the hangup on titles. Simply using a Fleming title will not make the film more Flemingesque. It is nothing more than a gimmick, and a gimmick that only carries any significance to the hard core fans of which we are in the minority. Why is that gimmick worth shoehorning in plotpoints? The focus should be on creating good stories in the spirit of Fleming that would be suitable for 21st century action film, perhaps, if conveniently, use some of Fleming´s remaining story material. The titles I couldn´t really care less about.

    I’m obsessed with having Fleming titles and every last plot point and character should be ‘mined.’

    I’ll counter with saying that historically, the Fleming titled films are the better films.

    I agree with that.

    Controversial opinioon:

    I like OHMSS far more than I like DAD.

    That is not a worthy comparison. OHMSS was based on a full novel. That is completely different.

    Maybe the controversy is the statement itself :D
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    DAD has a better Bond performance from Brosnan, but OHMSS has the better film.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    The Property of a Lady is a fabulous title. Though I also like how it was used in OP.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    jobo wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I honestly don´t understand the hangup on titles. Simply using a Fleming title will not make the film more Flemingesque. It is nothing more than a gimmick, and a gimmick that only carries any significance to the hard core fans of which we are in the minority. Why is that gimmick worth shoehorning in plotpoints? The focus should be on creating good stories in the spirit of Fleming that would be suitable for 21st century action film, perhaps, if conveniently, use some of Fleming´s remaining story material. The titles I couldn´t really care less about.

    I’m obsessed with having Fleming titles and every last plot point and character should be ‘mined.’

    I’ll counter with saying that historically, the Fleming titled films are the better films.

    I agree with that.

    Controversial opinioon:

    I like OHMSS far more than I like DAD.

    That is not a worthy comparison. OHMSS was based on a full novel. That is completely different.

    I thought it was amusing to compare what some fans on here consider the best James Bond film versus what some may consider the very worst.


    GoldenGun wrote: »
    The Property of a Lady is a fabulous title. Though I also like how it was used in OP.

    I always liked it.

    I'm still waiting for it to be used.........................crickets are chirping.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    jobo wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I honestly don´t understand the hangup on titles. Simply using a Fleming title will not make the film more Flemingesque. It is nothing more than a gimmick, and a gimmick that only carries any significance to the hard core fans of which we are in the minority. Why is that gimmick worth shoehorning in plotpoints? The focus should be on creating good stories in the spirit of Fleming that would be suitable for 21st century action film, perhaps, if conveniently, use some of Fleming´s remaining story material. The titles I couldn´t really care less about.

    I’m obsessed with having Fleming titles and every last plot point and character should be ‘mined.’

    I’ll counter with saying that historically, the Fleming titled films are the better films.

    I agree with that.

    Controversial opinioon:

    I like OHMSS far more than I like DAD.

    That is not a worthy comparison. OHMSS was based on a full novel. That is completely different.

    I think the controversial opinion is thinking preferring OHMSS to DAD is a controversial opinion.
  • IGotABrudderIGotABrudder UK
    edited July 2020 Posts: 631
    Property of a Lady also contains two letter ‘O’s, like Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, so the graphic designer people can easily do their OO7 typeface arrangement on the poster that they like so much.

    Personally I love Property of a Lady as a title.

    Hildebrand Rarity, not so much.

    Risico seems too easy for audiences to get confused with Sicario?
  • IGotABrudderIGotABrudder UK
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    The Risico Rarity
    Property of a Hildebrand
    A Lady in New York
    Fishfinger
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I'm afraid to know who they cast as the Bond girl in Fishfinger...
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I always liked that fan art tagline: Bond is going fishing--FOR ADVENTURE!
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    DAD has a better Bond performance from Brosnan, but OHMSS has the better film.

    True, Brosnan tanked in OHMSS ;-)

    I love 'the hildebrand rarity', and they don't have to use it for a fish. It can be the name of a diamond (not again!) or any other gemstone. Or... a computer programme. Or a car.

    In any way, a trigger for MI6 to have the slightest interest (a la Dr. No) where things seem ordinary but just don't add up.

    QoS is a fantastic title, allthough I agree that naming the organisation Quantum was a misfire. Still, one of the best films imo.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    IGotABrudder wrote: »
    Property of a Lady also contains two letter ‘O’s, like Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, so the graphic designer people can easily do their OO7 typeface arrangement on the poster that they like so much.

    You could do the same with

    N0
    Time t0
    Die 7

    I'm actually glad they dropped that gimmick after QOS.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    IGotABrudder wrote: »
    Property of a Lady also contains two letter ‘O’s, like Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, so the graphic designer people can easily do their OO7 typeface arrangement on the poster that they like so much.

    You could do the same with

    N0
    Time t0
    Die 7

    I'm actually glad they dropped that gimmick after QOS.

    Thought that was nice for those two films, but after that it's good they went for new designs. They should have done the same with the gunbarrel. Made sense that it was different for CR-QOS, but not for SF.
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
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    IGotABrudder wrote: »
    The Risico Rarity
    Property of a Hildebrand
    A Lady in New York
    Fishfinger
    Lady Hildebrand
    Property of New York
    The 007 Rarity
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Hildebrand in New York
    Property of 007
    Lady Risico Rarity
  • IGotABrudderIGotABrudder UK
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    The Rarity of a Lady
    New York in Hildebrand
    The Risico Property
    Fishraker
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
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    The Hildebrand Risico
    A Lady in New York
    The Rarity Property
    You only fish twice

    'No Time To Die' already sounds bland now
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    IGotABrudder wrote: »
    Property of a Lady also contains two letter ‘O’s, like Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, so the graphic designer people can easily do their OO7 typeface arrangement on the poster that they like so much.

    You could do the same with

    N0
    Time t0
    Die 7

    I'm actually glad they dropped that gimmick after QOS.

    Thought that was nice for those two films, but after that it's good they went for new designs. They should have done the same with the gunbarrel. Made sense that it was different for CR-QOS, but not for SF.

    Didn’t even make sense in QOS either. At least SF had an amazing shot with Bond walking down the hallway.
  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
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    I do like the Fleming titles over generic ones such as TND, DAD and NTTD and so on.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Octopussy wrote: »
    I do like the Fleming titles over generic ones such as TND, DAD and NTTD and so on.

    I agree 100%.
  • jobojobo
    edited July 2020 Posts: 7,507
    You Only Fish Twice sounds awesome!

    So does For Your Thunderballs Only
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
    Posts: 2,611
    We could do a silly Bond fish title elimination game:

    Dr. Fish
    From Russia with fish
    Goldfish
    Thunderfish
    You only fish twice
    On Her Majesty's fishing service
    Fish are forever
    Fish live and die
    ...
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    IGotABrudder wrote: »
    Property of a Lady also contains two letter ‘O’s, like Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, so the graphic designer people can easily do their OO7 typeface arrangement on the poster that they like so much.

    You could do the same with

    N0
    Time t0
    Die 7

    I'm actually glad they dropped that gimmick after QOS.

    Thought that was nice for those two films, but after that it's good they went for new designs. They should have done the same with the gunbarrel. Made sense that it was different for CR-QOS, but not for SF.

    Didn’t even make sense in QOS either. At least SF had an amazing shot with Bond walking down the hallway.

    Have to disagree there. For me the opening shot of the Como Lake is way prettier than SF's opening shot.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Have to disagree there. For me the opening shot of the Como Lake is way prettier than SF's opening shot.
    Yes, I agree that it's prettier. The problem is that after the introducing shot the entire picture (QOS) goes downhill due to the abysnal editing, while SF stays great and thrilling and one of the best Bond movies ever.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Have to disagree there. For me the opening shot of the Como Lake is way prettier than SF's opening shot.
    Yes, I agree that it's prettier. The problem is that after the introducing shot the entire picture (QOS) goes downhill due to the abysnal editing, while SF stays great and thrilling and one of the best Bond movies ever.

    I disagree. Yes, the editing is too much, but it can't hide the amazing cinematography or the far more intelligent story than most recent films. I love the fact that Greene isn't the top brass but just an operator, like Dr. No. It's actually the closest we got in the Craig era to 'just a normal mission'.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    QOS PTS is prettier than Istanbul, maybe, but they were evoking very different things. I agree QOS PTS is more aesthetically pleasing, but much prefer the SF PTS overall.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I feel confident that we will get Risico and The Property of a Lady as film titles someday. I doubt The Hildebrand Rarity and 007 in New York will be used.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited July 2020 Posts: 17,814
    I've always thought Hildebrand could be a decent character name.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Have to disagree there. For me the opening shot of the Como Lake is way prettier than SF's opening shot.
    Yes, I agree that it's prettier. The problem is that after the introducing shot the entire picture (QOS) goes downhill due to the abysnal editing, while SF stays great and thrilling and one of the best Bond movies ever.

    I disagree. Yes, the editing is too much, but it can't hide the amazing cinematography or the far more intelligent story than most recent films. I love the fact that Greene isn't the top brass but just an operator, like Dr. No. It's actually the closest we got in the Craig era to 'just a normal mission'.

    +1.
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