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Is there a sexual relationship at all?
Exactly. Both Melina and Stacey find some sort of father figure in Bond that I quite like, but in both instances that gets ruined by the obligatory love scene at the end.
Luckily OP sits between those two, featuring what is arguably Moore's most believable romance as Bond.
Octopussy was probably the best Moore era Bond girl (IMO), and this is one of the reasons why.
In FYEO it is at least left a bit ambigious. They only go for a moonlight swim...
Naked!
After making out. A non sexual ending to FYEO would've been a better ending.
Unless I'm watching OHMSS or CR, I like James Bond movies to end with Bond getting laid.
Same here.
LOL. Just rooting for James. I'm on Bond's side for this topic.
Indeed. I mean, he has usually earned it, right?
That's exactly why I rate it so low. It's a film with a promise, taking that proise and flushing it down the toilet. Both TWINE and TND don't hold that promise at all.
Not just a voyeur then... ;-)
With the way those close ups were handled, she might as well have been wearing that bikini from the poster. Heck, maybe he wore that bottom one too ;)
Why? Was she not legal age? Believe it or not,a lot young women in real life find older men very attractive.
Its not like its a new thing in films.Like it or not,a lot of leading men have much younger love interests in movies.Do you have a problem with Daniel Criag being 17 years older than his current on screen love interest in NTTD?
Exceptions are situations like AVTAK where their relationship is clearly something more father-daughter. In my personal head canon that final scene simply doesn't exist, which I have no problems rationalizing because it was one of those instances where they blatantly shoehorned it in simply to keep with the formula.
Agreed. At least the Bibi moments are clearly played completely for comic effect. Melina seems more like a female guest star on Moore's The Saint TV series that he'd had a platonic alliance with rather than a love interest. Kind of like Bond and Camille 27 years before the fact. Countess Lisl is the FYEO girl that Moore's Bond has the most believable chemistry with in that film IMHO.
While Melina is definitely the better Bond girl character than Stacey, I do think that Tanya Roberts has more onscreen chemistry with Moore than Carole Bouquet does with him. Possibly because AVTAK did take a few minutes to slow down and let the two of them share an intimate dinner together underscored by John Barry's haunting romantic music:
+1
It's most definitely an old sexist/ageist trope in Hollywood. The mindset being that a woman in her 20s inherently has more sex appeal than a woman in her 30s. Once she reaches her 30s she's suddenly relegated to motherly roles. Not always the case, but too often it happens. I remember seeing Judy Greer play a mom in TWO major films in the same summer (ANT-MAN and JURASSIC WORLD) and she was severely underused in both. A man as old as 60 can have a love interest as young as her 20s, but you never really see that go the other way around unless it's a movie focused on cougars.
The difference is that Lea Seydoux is a woman in her 30s, whereas Carole Bouquet was 23 and Sir Rog was 53. That's quite a big age gap! Nearly twice as long as Craig/Seydoux. Contrast that to the next film OCTOPUSSY where the general sentiment among fans is that Maud Adams at the mature age of 37 felt more appropriate as a leading lady to Sir Rog at 55.
Interestingly, all the females stars in NTTD are over 30, with the youngest being Ana de Armas at 31. I suspect that's not a coincidence. There hasn't been a Bond lady in her 20s featured since QOS.
Its not, however, a good Bond film.
Please share more of your thoughts on this. I'm always interested in hearing different ideas and LTK is a really polarizing film.
A podcast I listen to had one of the hosts sum that up for both LTK and QOS. I get that. They're kind of dirty and depressing. Not a lot of glamor. The humor is dry as it gets. So on and so forth. They're not the kind of films you typically introduce someone to Bond.
Its both a really good film and a really good Bond film.
It just happened to be the most dark and violent in the series at the time of release.
QOS is an example of a really bad Bond film AND a really bad film in general.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm quite glad we've had more mature women as Bond girls. Women in their 20s in the acting industry now often end up looking like Lolitas and I think women in their 30s are overall sexier.
Agreed. Both are top-notch, but LTK does take the cake in the end.
+1
QOS I liked from the the start. It made sense after CR. I still like it but it’s not a movie I ever feel the inclination to watch unless I’ve recently watched CR.
No, they're not films you'd introduce someone too, but they stand out in the series. Too often the films followed a set pattern that got a bit repetitious in the '80s and '90s. Not that that's a bad thing to have expectations, but shaking things up is fine too. Not for everyone, but in a long-running series also these can be refreshing.
This is really well said. Also, both of them are more explicitly mimicking American action franchises (LTK being in the vein of late 80s actioners like Lethal Weapon, Miami Vice, so on, and QoS literally lifting scenes and plot points and its quick-cut gestural action aesthetic from the Bourne movies)
His scenes with Bibi arnt uncomfortable either as Bond actually rejects her advances ( Proving that he actually DOES have standards! )
+1 More like a platonic alliance between Simon Templar and one of his female guest stars. Add to that a The Saint main villain(which indeed Julian Glover played 13 years earlier) and a relatively tame climax(compared not only to the 3 spectacular Lewis Gilbert ones but also to the likes of TB's underwater battle and OHMSS's Piz Gloria final assault) has made the 1981 Bond film feel more like an expensive episode of Moore's classic 1962-1969 TV series rather than one of my favorite Bond films. So I suppose that would be my controversial opinion.