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  • LudovicoLudovico
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Brosnans Bond just found himself in more large scale confrontations that Craig has so far.Its not that hes necessarily bloodthirsty ( He even says to Renard in TWINE that he doesnt like killing in cold blood ) its just that he has to kill a lot more people to get out of that situation alive.

    There's a not if that for sure, that said I always thought the kills Brosnan Bond made were among the least impactful of the series overall (my controversial opinion).
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Guys, I was just being facetious with that bloodthirsty line. :P But I do stand by that Brosnan was the most violent of the Bonds just on the virtue of having a higher body count.

    I agree with that. His body count in GE alone is huge. In the St. Petersburg prison, he just maws down Russian soldiers like it's nobody's business.

    The way he runs and slides with the AK.

    Brrrrrrrrrrrrreerp

    Considering the fact that the AK47 is very inaccurate when on automatic (quite accurate in single shot) and there's no blood to be seen, we can assume he didn't actually hit the Russian soldiers, but they were just diving for cover, sometimes in an artistic way. No doubt to convince their superiors that they weren't cowards ;-)
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited September 2020 Posts: 2,526
    DC has used the machine gun the most out of every bond ?
    The machine gun from the db5 in SF and november's ? NTTD.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    OK, here's a controversial opinion. Last week I finally got the chance to watch a Bond-movie again and is it so happened the DVD easiest at hand was Skyfall. I knw it stands in high regard here but I find it boring and over contrived. Bardem plays it ok I suppose, but the character never comes over scary to me. Which makes Severine's death all the more sad. Especially as she hasn't got the time to shine either even though her character is basically the only really interesting person in the film.
    Come to think of it I think Spectre is the superior film of the two. At least that one has some show-stealing scenes (Sciarra's flight, His wife and Bond, the train fight). SF just doesn't do it for me at all.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Fair enough. I still rank it Top 3 Bond.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
    Posts: 1,394
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    OK, here's a controversial opinion. Last week I finally got the chance to watch a Bond-movie again and is it so happened the DVD easiest at hand was Skyfall. I knw it stands in high regard here but I find it boring and over contrived. Bardem plays it ok I suppose, but the character never comes over scary to me. Which makes Severine's death all the more sad. Especially as she hasn't got the time to shine either even though her character is basically the only really interesting person in the film.
    Come to think of it I think Spectre is the superior film of the two. At least that one has some show-stealing scenes (Sciarra's flight, His wife and Bond, the train fight). SF just doesn't do it for me at all.

    Agree with everything here.Skyfall is a very,very overrated film.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    OK, here's a controversial opinion. Last week I finally got the chance to watch a Bond-movie again and is it so happened the DVD easiest at hand was Skyfall. I knw it stands in high regard here but I find it boring and over contrived. Bardem plays it ok I suppose, but the character never comes over scary to me. Which makes Severine's death all the more sad. Especially as she hasn't got the time to shine either even though her character is basically the only really interesting person in the film.
    Come to think of it I think Spectre is the superior film of the two. At least that one has some show-stealing scenes (Sciarra's flight, His wife and Bond, the train fight). SF just doesn't do it for me at all.

    I certainly disagree. There are many things you can call Silva, but "not interesting"?? I am one of Spectre's defenders on this site, but I don't think it has any scenes that can match the iconic stuff in Skyfall like the incredible fight in the Shanghai skyscraper, Moneypenny shaving Bond, Bond's majestic entrance into the Macau casino, the high tension chase through the London subway reaching climax in the Tenysson scene... Skyfall is certainly memorable.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited October 2020 Posts: 4,620
    jobo wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    OK, here's a controversial opinion. Last week I finally got the chance to watch a Bond-movie again and is it so happened the DVD easiest at hand was Skyfall. I knw it stands in high regard here but I find it boring and over contrived. Bardem plays it ok I suppose, but the character never comes over scary to me. Which makes Severine's death all the more sad. Especially as she hasn't got the time to shine either even though her character is basically the only really interesting person in the film.
    Come to think of it I think Spectre is the superior film of the two. At least that one has some show-stealing scenes (Sciarra's flight, His wife and Bond, the train fight). SF just doesn't do it for me at all.

    I certainly disagree. There are many things you can call Silva, but "not interesting"?? I am one of Spectre's defenders on this site, but I don't think it has any scenes that can match the iconic stuff in Skyfall like the incredible fight in the Shanghai skyscraper, Moneypenny shaving Bond, Bond's majestic entrance into the Macau casino, the high tension chase through the London subway reaching climax in the Tenysson scene... Skyfall is certainly memorable.

    Skyfall doesn’t have much memorable dialogue, (other than Silva and Kincade) and I didn’t pity M at all throughout the movie. All she does is frown and complain. She knew her “judgement calls” would possibly backfire on her at some point in the future.
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
    Posts: 1,394
    jobo wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    OK, here's a controversial opinion. Last week I finally got the chance to watch a Bond-movie again and is it so happened the DVD easiest at hand was Skyfall. I knw it stands in high regard here but I find it boring and over contrived. Bardem plays it ok I suppose, but the character never comes over scary to me. Which makes Severine's death all the more sad. Especially as she hasn't got the time to shine either even though her character is basically the only really interesting person in the film.
    Come to think of it I think Spectre is the superior film of the two. At least that one has some show-stealing scenes (Sciarra's flight, His wife and Bond, the train fight). SF just doesn't do it for me at all.

    I certainly disagree. There are many things you can call Silva, but "not interesting"?? I am one of Spectre's defenders on this site, but I don't think it has any scenes that can match the iconic stuff in Skyfall like the incredible fight in the Shanghai skyscraper, Moneypenny shaving Bond, Bond's majestic entrance into the Macau casino, the high tension chase through the London subway reaching climax in the Tenysson scene... Skyfall is certainly memorable.

    Moneypenny shaving Bond is iconic? Really?
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    OK, here's a controversial opinion. Last week I finally got the chance to watch a Bond-movie again and is it so happened the DVD easiest at hand was Skyfall. I knw it stands in high regard here but I find it boring and over contrived. Bardem plays it ok I suppose, but the character never comes over scary to me. Which makes Severine's death all the more sad. Especially as she hasn't got the time to shine either even though her character is basically the only really interesting person in the film.
    Come to think of it I think Spectre is the superior film of the two. At least that one has some show-stealing scenes (Sciarra's flight, His wife and Bond, the train fight). SF just doesn't do it for me at all.

    You're not alone!
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,253
    jobo wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    OK, here's a controversial opinion. Last week I finally got the chance to watch a Bond-movie again and is it so happened the DVD easiest at hand was Skyfall. I knw it stands in high regard here but I find it boring and over contrived. Bardem plays it ok I suppose, but the character never comes over scary to me. Which makes Severine's death all the more sad. Especially as she hasn't got the time to shine either even though her character is basically the only really interesting person in the film.
    Come to think of it I think Spectre is the superior film of the two. At least that one has some show-stealing scenes (Sciarra's flight, His wife and Bond, the train fight). SF just doesn't do it for me at all.

    I certainly disagree. There are many things you can call Silva, but "not interesting"?? I am one of Spectre's defenders on this site, but I don't think it has any scenes that can match the iconic stuff in Skyfall like the incredible fight in the Shanghai skyscraper, Moneypenny shaving Bond, Bond's majestic entrance into the Macau casino, the high tension chase through the London subway reaching climax in the Tenysson scene... Skyfall is certainly memorable.

    Beautiful view not iconic scene make ;-)

    I love the boat entrance to the Casino, but that's all it is, a beautiful sight. Yes, the Shanghai fight in the skyscraper was visually stunning, but as I could hardly distinguish who's who, I just had to 'wait' to see who'd fall out of the window.

    Actuallty the one scene that I indeed find interesting is the Tenysson one, that does have suspense and drama.

    But however well Bardem plays Silva (his entrance with the elevator is, indeed, cool), the character itself is kind of pathetic, and his pre-arranged escape utterly contrived. Really? Got a metro ready to attack Bond? It doesn't help Q is making the rookie mistake of connecting Silva's computer to the standard MI6 network.

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited October 2020 Posts: 5,131
    My controversial opinion.....Silva is an extremely overrated villain.

    No particularly threatening, a tad pantomime, rubbish scheme, rubbish name, stupid hair (I’m not sure what that’s about as it looks fake?), just mediocre.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,154
    Controversial opinion:

    As cheesy as it is, I prefer Lani Hall's NSNA theme song to Phyllis Hymans. The Hyman version is a bit too melancholy for my tastes and I have a difficult time picturing it played over that opening training exercise sequence.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,114
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    As cheesy as it is, I prefer Lani Hall's NSNA theme song to Phyllis Hymans. The Hyman version is a bit too melancholy for my tastes and I have a difficult time picturing it played over that opening training exercise sequence.

    I actually never heard the other NSNA. I'll have to look it up.
  • Since62Since62
    Posts: 1,630
    Is that opinion regarding Silva really controversial ? Great film, but he was just OK. His hair, indeed, was weird. Certainly did not look natural, so, was it to indicate his vanity ? Sense of humor ? Dunno...
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    They also gave him make up to appear as if Silva had plastic surgery done. So his off putting features are very much intentional.

    That said, I think he’s the best Craig era villain... so far.
  • jobojobo
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    Silva mops the floor with any villain from the Brosnan era, thats for sure
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    jobo wrote: »
    Silva mops the floor with any villain from the Brosnan era, thats for sure

    Alec Trevelyan is superior IMO.
  • jobojobo
    edited October 2020 Posts: 7,507
    suavejmf wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Silva mops the floor with any villain from the Brosnan era, thats for sure

    Alec Trevelyan is superior IMO.

    On the topic of overrated villains... with ridiculous schemes...
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    suavejmf wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Silva mops the floor with any villain from the Brosnan era, thats for sure

    Alec Trevelyan is superior IMO.

    I agree.
  • IGotABrudderIGotABrudder UK
    Posts: 631
    The last villain who really impressed me was Sanchez.

    I have high hopes for Malek in NTTD however. Am hoping he’ll be the best villain in a Bond film for a quarter of a century. Well, we shall see.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    IGotABrudder wrote: »
    The last villain who really impressed me was Sanchez.

    I have high hopes for Malek in NTTD however. Am hoping he’ll be the best villain in a Bond film for a quarter of a century. Well, we shall see.

    Le Chiffre??
  • IGotABrudderIGotABrudder UK
    Posts: 631
    suavejmf wrote: »
    IGotABrudder wrote: »
    The last villain who really impressed me was Sanchez.

    I have high hopes for Malek in NTTD however. Am hoping he’ll be the best villain in a Bond film for a quarter of a century. Well, we shall see.

    Le Chiffre??

    A good side-villain but I thought he didn’t have the weight or gravitas to carry off being a main villain in his own right. A bit like Kronsteen really. OK on his own terms, but I felt that CR needed something more. IMO of course
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited October 2020 Posts: 6,290
    I think Le Chiffre is great, particularly because he's different (defensive and weak), and Fleming.
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    Posts: 1,596
    Le Chiffre is a wonderful villain. The amount of vulnerability of the character (both due to circumstance and simply who he is) is such a rarity for the series.

    Also, I'll offer up a controversial opinion: I like Jonathon Price as Carver. His extreme level of ham fits with the film. Granted, I haven't seen it in quite a long time, so it's due for a rewatch.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited October 2020 Posts: 2,526
    Connery wears the most ridiculous clothes of all the bonds.
    Like this one. :P
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    And the wardrobe in DAF.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Yeah, maybe so.

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  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
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    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    Yeah, maybe so.

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    And this.
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  • RevelatorRevelator
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    Sean's pink tie > Roger's safari suit
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The 70s was definitely a "unique time" for fashion.
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