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I much prefer QoS to SF and SP. The tone, score, stunts and Craig’s performance is much better.
The Craig era film order mirrors the film quality. From the amazing Casino Royale, to the great QoS, to the overrated SF and finishing with the disappointing SP.
Will NTTD change this.....
Off of this, to make it even more controversial: QoS is the best of the Craig era (for me, at least, and I suspect I'm likely alone in that assessment).
QOS is solid, but CR is the absolute best in the Craig era. No matter how great NTTD ends up being.
My thoughts exactly. CR is the best Bond film since the 60’s.
You’ve taken that too far now! ;)
The pre-title sequence car chase is perfection though.
Don't shoot! I just had to make it properly controversial in here.
Yes, that PTS is sublime and frenetic. I love it.
Retrospectively I can see why people might have an issue when it comes to the PTS car chase, even though I still like it a lot. I think bad editing can make a story harder to follow or harder to comprehend what's going on, but I can't say I have that issue with QoS.
The problem is that they used the same editing for the rest of the film.
That's fair enough, though I didn't have that experience watching the film at all.
If what I have written doesn't make sense, then that goes to show how confused I am by it.
Definitely agree.
Can't see NTTD changing this. Although I feel it may be better than SP...
Couldn't tell you off the top of my head either so maybe it did have a negative effect on me! Maybe I'll watch the scene again and see.
There's a multi-hundred(?)-page thread on that on these boards and nobody has the definitive answer. It seems the editing was done so sharp the essential part on how it actually hooks on is a mistery, but the theory that holds most ground is that it's an anchor Bond flipped overboard seconds before he hooks the top-end on the top boat.
Is QoS better than CR? I certainly prefer it over CR, but calling it better is a step too far for me.
In fact the editing in the car chase and the fight with Mitchell works quite well in allowing us to apprentice the confusion and danger Bond is feeling. Compare the car chase in SP where we are just watching it rather than feeling invested in it, QoS works much better.
Not controversial, just thought worth saying.
I quite agree. What I like about the QoS editing in the action scenes is it reflects the way being in an something like that might be - frentic, non-stop, loud, fast, etc. QoS is a standout in this way, so unlike other films. I can understand it's not for everybody, but I appreciate it for being something different.
Besides that, it's fun to watch multiple times as it offers new details, at least for me, with subsequent viewings.
Bond gets some information in the interrogation (i.e. MI6 is infiltrated) and it shows him how powerful the opponent is. He has a target again and thus the ensuing fight (scaffold fight) should be more lean and clear: Bond now has a target, a purpose. Things that he seemde to loose after Vesper's death. That is what Mathis referres to when tey're on theri way when Bond downs six 'Vespers'.
I think a more accurate way of putting it is this;
Bond's mind was fine after Vesper's death. He had come to terms with it, moved on, and announced it with his 'Bond...James Bond' line at the end of CR. Beautiful stuff.
Then for some ungodly reason they decided to spin it all out again and have him mopping about for the whole film.
If they Bond, James Bond line had come at the end of QoS it would have made more sense. 'I never left...' just does not cut it.
QoS might be a decent film, and well made. But it is a god awful Bond movie because it doesn't even stand alone as a plot. It relates too much to the film that had gone before, and references events and characters and organisations that you presume will feature in future films that end up never getting made.
It is a shocking misstep of a Bond movie and a blight on the franchise.
And this is despite it having a great start and song, and DC's best performance.
A blight on the franchise?
I could understand you saying that about DAD but certainly not QOS. Way too much good stuff in it.
Better than CR. There I am conflicted, adore CR, but QOS is certainly nipping at its heels.
QoS isn't a blight on the franchise because it is badly made, but because it made little sense in terms of the evolution of the character.
Had they removed most of the Vesper references, and completely gotten rid of the Corinne ending etc, and just stuck to Bond hunting down Quantum it might have worked. They could have kept the tone and everything else.
As it stands it is a stop gap Bond film. It resembles episode 2 of a TV series. Not important enough to stand on its own. As a sequel to CR is is rubbish because it is smaller in scale, and as a lead in to SF it is rubbish because all the story threads were subsequently dropped.