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Exactly. The tonal change is bizarre.
Apparently the ocean around Hong Kong has some kind of magical healing effect...
So yes, the only way to fix it would be to not have Bond captured. Even Bond looking like Winston Smith after 14 months would have been on the optimistic side, I feel.
That, and the film needed to span a considerable amount of time for the Gustav Graves persona to be created and become as revered as he was. Should have been twice as many months though, really. Not that it would have made the film more realistic, alas..
It all comes down to the film trying to be "all things to all people" and failing miserably. When it comes to Bond films throwing the kitchen sink at it is rarely the answer when experimenting with different genres and styles of filmmaking. Moonraker did it all so much better (and more entertainingly to boot) some 23 years earlier.
Hear hear. My thoughts exactly!
Duh. I really missed the boat on that one. That is indeed a pretty good reason for the timeframe :-)
The 9/11 is also pretty interesting.
Maybe they should rather have taken inspiration from the opening chapters of TMWTGG. Keep the PTS, but then Bond just suddenly shows up in London years later. MI6 have to figure out, if it really is him (like in the film) and where his loyalties lie. Would need a damn good explanation for how he got out that isn't just, well he was brainwashed and sent to kill M, but then we brainwashed him back.
Anyway. The film has been in the can for a good 20 years. I doubt they will change the script now 🤣.
In an effort to get this thread back on track,heres a controversial opinion,NTTD will be the last Bond movie released exclusively to theaters ( And there is a question mark arou nd even that ).By the next time a new Bond film is released post NTTD ( Around 2028 by my estimate the way things are going ), it will release exclusively in theaters and streaming services simultaneously like WB's current HBO MAX method.
Oh and there will be no physical release of the film because at that point,physical media will be dead.
They supposedly did touch-ups (I was told that he had “moobs” that needed taking care of and his waist-line).
That's very interesting. Never heard that before. It still seems to not have been enough for some of the posters on this thread, however! :)
Just repeating what I was told by a member who worked on that film (so being the messenger, I hope I don’t get shot!)!
The producers love the cinematic experience for their films past, present and future.
I truly believe that by putting their name on the new game coming out next year, EoN is compromising with gaps in their films, working with new tech and keeping James Bond in the public eye.
If this game is a hit, I think there will be a quick turn around to get another one out by 2024/25.
This will give the producers the time and space to formulate what they want from the upcoming film(s), and cast their net to
find the appropriate man for the job, while having new 007 content out...
EoN-Bond will be a theatrical release unless cinema is truly dead (and the Middle Kingdom is showing us that that is not the case).
If it's true, then it's enough for me. Considering none of the posters you're referring to have actually responded to it, yet, your last sentence is a bit silly though! :)
That's another issue: 18 months to create the Gustav Graves persona and be knighted? That's very far fetched. Not as implausible as an invisible car, but pretty terrible in its own right.
It's clear they were taking inspiration from the Moonraker novel - which is nice of course - however Drax creating a new persona for himself is far more plausible in the timeframe explained in the novel and the fact that it takes place post-war, before the digital evolution. Even in 2002, I doubt Graves would have made it too far.
Hell, even Anthony Horowitz riffed on Moonraker in his first Alex Rider novel and made it more plausible for the modern day, without sacrificing the idea that the villain isn't really who he says he is.
I think you're right, what happens going forward all depends on who buys MGM. And even at that, I'm sure EON will do what they've always done and aim for cinema releases.
Is physical media really on the decline? Standard Blu-Ray still seems popular than ever and with the increase in demand for things like 4K Blu-Ray, I'd say it will always be there. I'm not sure if there's a majority of people out there who can stream things in 4K. Combine that with the enduring allure of the cinema experience (I don't care what anyone says, there's plenty of people who still love cinema), and it seems like we're okay for a little while yet. What it will look like in a decade, I don't know...
So I guess to answer @AstonLotus, it depends on the above and also depends on when the next Bond is made and released.
If that's the case, then this alone might be a reason for me to get back into gaming, @peter
No, I was merely using foresight as even though Brosnan had been "nipped and tucked" with CGI in that scene the posters here were still complaining that he looked too well fed. So the fact CGI was used didn't need to be known by them. They still think he's too fat for a POW at that point in the film regardless of whether CGI was used or not.
Exactly! They needed time for the gene therapy.
My apologies, @Dragonpol. I completely misinterpreted your post. Now I'm the silly one!
Not to worry, @CraigMooreOHMSS. I got your meaning. It happens to us all. :)
Now this is interesting. Would make for a fascinating wager.
Along similar lines, here's my prediction:
NTTD will have the highest budget ever (in real dollars) for a Bond film. After this, budgets will shrink.
It's maybe worthwhile here to note how when you ask movie fans what their favourite Bond films are, their one answer you're canvassing is ignoring 23 or so other 007 films. It's not that everyone said those latter Bonds are poor, it was that people preferred and wanted to name others first.
Agreed: the budget will be more conservative based on the new actor (keep it tight, less risk; give him, and the new film every chance at success), and; the recent events/delays and how much money was lost due to the pandemic, and; assuming that NTTD may not make the profits that were originally forecast pre-pandemic. However, if the new 007's film is a huge success, the budget for his follow-up will increase ...
Exactly.
It remains to be seen if SP's reputation will grow in coming years, but I'm hoping NTTD will bolster it.
And the gene therapy is pure sci-fi. DAD creates one deus ex machina after another.
I love how they didn't bother to remove Zao's diamonds before the treatment. It's like they expected genes to somehow remove diamonds from his face ;))
Apologies Mark. There was another poll on Twitter that I thought was being referred to. I didn't see your poll, only the recent one with the photo of people's top five Bonds plus their merchandise.
It's dumb, but it's not a deus ex machina. A deus ex machina is a solution to a problem being solved by a random miracle not really set up by other events in the narrative. Goldfinger kind of has one at the end, and Sharkey saving Bond from Kilifer is pretty close, but DAD doesn't really have any.
I don't know if I'd necessarily agree it was misfortune, unless we're talking strictly about the leaks which definitely coloured many people's opinion of the film before it even came out.
However, creatively and conceptually, SF gave them free reign to go and tell any sort of story that they wanted to. It really couldn't have been any more ideal for them going forward. However, the story they chose to tell in SP is fundamentally misguided and dramatically inert. If NTTD manages to retroactively improve it, then that will be quite an astonishing achievement.
Agree about Bellucci though - more of her rarely makes a film worse. ;)
It's also a dead giveaway. M: "Say, 007, this man with scars and diamonds in his skin, is this Zao the North Korean terrorist?" Bond: "No, that must be another one."
It was the scriptwriters at work. Without the diamonds in his face they wagered he wouldn't look as villainous - or as ridiculous. And DAD is a very ridiculous film. I remember Brosnan saying before the film was released that it was going to be a return to a more serious type of Bond film plot. What we actually got of course was DAF II with some ground MR thrown in for good measure.