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How about Black Sunday? :D
No way, that makes it a different thing.
But the Bond theme is also a joke at times: look at the tank chase in GoldenEye- the Bond theme blaring about makes you laugh because it accentuates the ridiculousness and also the lengths Bond will go to. It's funny.
Gosh there's loads of it in the films. We had a thread listing it all somewhere.
Interestingly, there’s been lots of more licensed music in SF and SP. The difference is they used the licensed music smartly and in ways that complimented the scenes, such as in SF when Silva has music playing before Severine’s execution, and then in SP where we get source music playing in the motel in Mexico City, and the music Lucia plays as she’s walking across her home with the assassins approaching her. There’s other examples across both films. But when is let the end credits roll and I see all the credited music it surprised me, because Bond films don’t typically play a lot of licensed music throughout the films.
Yes, I can see your point there what with Bond visiting Tracy's grave, Blofeld in a wheelchair and neck brace and Bond finally exacting his revenge on Blofeld. Not quite the showdown in the YOLT novel but still better than nothing! Although it was largely conceived in jest (in response to a new impending Kevin McClory Bond film) it does at least tie up a few loose ends in an expedient manner at the start of the film.
Better than DAF too, and far more topical: the events of OHMSS were largely ignored in DAF. In FYEO Bond is seen grieving and avenging his wife, finally. And the rest of the film he mentors a woman about the dangers of self destruction in pursuing revenge. So thematically, it's still more relevant as a follow-up.
Here's that thread: Richard does a great job of listing the non-original music as part of these movies:
https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/17816/existing-songs-as-part-of-bond-soundtracks/p1
I've often liked to imagine that as well. We have Bond visiting Tracy's grave, neck brace 'Blofeld', the theme of revenge in the film and the digging 2 graves speech, Bond empathising with Melina having lost her parents.
Yeah it works quite well, certainly better than the throwaway nonsense of the DAF pre credits.
Agreed, it's a nice back-to-back watch for sure.
Why is that controversial?
I'm pretty sure even John Glen has been pretty explicit about FYEO serving as a spiritual follow up to OHMSS. For what it's worth, it's a much more worthy follow up than TWINE.
Well DAF has its defenders (not me), FYEO its detractors (again, not me) so I thought it could at least be potentially controversial.
Might deserve its own thread actually.
It's potentially controversial only really because it suggests that DAF is not the follow on film to OHMSS in terms of release order and that, instead, FYEO is the true sequel to OHMSS. That theory could be said to be counterfactual when it is confronted with the release order. The thing is, such rigidity is not really displayed in a series of films that historically never had any firm conception of continuity. That is, until the Craig era came along and put the emphasis on story and character arc over multiple films, thereby making connected sequels and continuity much more of a creative issue.
I've also seen fans say that there could just as easily be a sense of continuity between DAF and FYEO as we last see the Charles Gray Blofeld being bashed into the side of his control room in his Bath-o-Sub. They contend that he could easily have have had his neck broken or hurt severely as we never see the outcome of what happens to him. One point not in their favour is that when we next see Blofeld in FYEO he's reverted back to his more usual bald head and Gray's full head of hair is nowhere to be seen. I think it's a rather contrived fan theory and the direct link from FYEO back to OHMSS is an easier one to sustain without having to jump through so many hoops, the film dates and order of release notwithstanding.
When you see the way Contessa is dressed on the beach in FYEO and the way it resembles Tracy at the start of OHMSS it does seem to deliberately hark back to the earlier film.
A little bit like the way Elektra is dressed in the skiing scenes in TWINE.
It's a nice little touch.
Maybe Blofeld suffered brain damage that caused him to lose his hair again or something? No but more seriously, it was not only McClory they were exorcising with the PTS, it was also DAF. In spite of the silliness.
Also, in FYEO it seems like they are harkening back to Savalas' voice more than the other Blofelds.
Both movies work pretty well as a double bill.I did that once.
- From Russia With Love
- On Her Majesty's Secret Service
- For Your Eyes Only
Three Bond actors. SPECTRE seeks revenge, gets revenge, and still pursuing it Blofeld meets his end. Also matches the dig two graves ethos for the rest of that third film.The slide whistle is only mildly annoying compared to what came DIRECTLY before it ("I sure am, boy"), and what came DIRECTY after it (up close crotch shot of Pepper bouncing around in the car.)
The whistle was the LEAST of the issues in that scene.
Great suggestion. Three top tier movies!
Exactly! I am actually a bit infuriated when I hear prople suggest Johh Barry and the slide whistle was responsible for ruining that stunt. The slide whistle is not the main issue. The main reason the stunt itself doesn't make more of an impression is that the entire car chacee is staged as a joke, and a quite cringy one at that...
One thing about car chases which may count for this thread is that I'm not too keen on how the DB5 chase in NTTD looks in terms of the amount of sliding around the Aston is doing. Bond is supposed to be an expert driver: he shouldn't be getting massive oversteer like a cop car in the A Team- see also the silly driving in the Spectre Aston/Jag chase. I much prefer to see perfect powerslides like a rally driver would do. See the wonderful BMW chase in Mission Impossible Fallout for some expert driving.
I do feel the slide whistle cheapened the stunt. Didn't ruin it as such, but it certainly took some of the shine off it in my opinion.
My reasoning is that in real life that stunt was clever, skillful, brave and cutting edge having been one of the first to be calculated on a computer.
In story it was audacious, unique (unless you'd seen it in the Thrill Show previously, the general audience hadn't) and pure "only Bond could have done that"
Then, and I say this as a fan of Barry's work, John Barry comes along and thinks "I know what this needs, a cheap throwaway sound effect to reduce it to a joke"
It's rubbish and unnecessary.
I really don't see how the FYEO teaser works any better really than the DAF one does as far as Bond getting his revenge on Blofeld for the events of OHMSS, aside from the direct reference to Tracy. Now had there been another callback later in the film such as the one in TSWLM where Anya obviously hits a nerve, it would make it more understandable. Aside from a revenge plot being part of the film, it just feels out of place and fans have pointed to it being one of the weaker pretitles for a while. The humor sure doesn't help. if anything, the humorous Blofeld and his silliness harks back more to the DAF portrayal of the character, not OHMSS.
I've also read the reason that was even written into the FYEO script was because the creators were thinking Moore wasn't coming back and it was a way to link the new Bond to create a continuity with the past. Take that, code name theory.
The DAF pre-credits sequence lacks any reference to Tracy's death but presents Bond as relentlessly tracking Blofeld worldwide, attacking every informant. Would Bond have been as brutal if he didn't have a score to settle?
And when Bond gets his hands on "Blofeld," he remains brutal, clocking the "real" Blofeld with a lamp before strapping him into a gurney and rolling it into a pit of boiling hot mud. The deep satisfaction of Connery's "Welcome to hell, Blofeld" is far more suitable to a character finally achieving vengeance than anything Bond says in FYEO.
DAF was designed so that audiences who'd skipped or didn't want to remember OHMSS wouldn't be left out, and it's clear that most of the film pays no attention to its predecessor. And for most of the film Bond and Blofeld don't act as if they have any personal grudge between them.
The teaser is the exception--it's almost like a bone thrown to audiences who remembered OHMSS. Bond's relentless brutality can't be explained by saying he's miffed that Blofeld got away from him in YOLT. I think DAF's teaser is meant to resolve the personal grudge of OHMSS by getting it out of the way so the camp can take over.
Also a bit later in the film he’s warning Melinda against taking revenge (“first dig two graves”) even though we’ve just watched him murder his wife’s killer! Then a bit later he’s avenging Ferrara by kicking cars off cliffs. It’s all over the place :)