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No, she's called Plenty O'Toole because it's the direct opposite of Pussy Galore, and I think that's the primary gag, and a good one. "Named after your father, perhaps?" is Bond having to make sense of why a girl in his movie would be so misnamed!
Maybe, but spoilt by Connery getting an eyeful before saying it.
And of course, as we all know, the true male version of 'Pussy Galore' is in fact 'Roger Moore' :)
[-( Not really, though!
PLENTY: Hi, I'm Plenty!
(Bond looks at Plenty's boobs)
BOND: But of course you are.
PLENTY: Plenty O'Toole!
(Bond doesn't look at Plenty's boobs)
BOND: Named after your father, perhaps?
There doesn't seem to be a connection intended between her boob size and her dad's equipment!
Props to you, Prof, for this honest view, even at the expense of some of the sacred cow films. Taking in these views is why I enjoy coming here.
Some fans don't like the relationship between the Connery Bond and Lee M, but I love the exchanges while meeting Sir Donald to begin the film. "Hardest substance found in nature, they cut class, suggest marriage, I suppose it replaced a dog as a girl's best friend, but that's about it." It's a nice contrast to the Moore years when he seemed to know about every subject and arrogantly spout it like a schoolboy.
I will defend the so-called dad jokes. Put in the context of the times, a lot of those lines were set up to give the audience some relief after a tense situation. And Connery did it so well. They would really get out of hand during the Moore era. Schwarzenegger movies just basically stole the concept after it had already played out and took it to a new level of cringe.
Well, thanks!
I don't wanna sound too down on the dad jokes. I just don't think any of them from TB topped the first one in Dr No: "Sergeant, make sure he doesn't get away."
And more generally, I may find GF, TB, and YOLT all to have some significant flaws, but each was also earth-shattering to some degree in terms of delivering things audiences had never seen before.
I think he's capable of remembering some boobs he saw one line ago ;)
Regardless, it's just a bit of a weird gag about her dad's wang anyway. It's a strange thing to be thinking about in a flirty situation- it's just a bit clunkier than most gags in the film.
It's cleverer than Stephanie Broadchest. I'll give it that.
I'm sure someone's written an article or two about the gay overtones of DAF. From the way Connery throws his hands up in the PTS, to Wint and Kidd, to Plenty O'Toole's name, to Blofeld in drag...the film has a gay sensibility throughout.
I don't know if you're referring to my comment, but I was referring to "I think he got the point" as a dad joke. "Plenty O'Toole" is a nice parody name. Much better than Stephanie Broadchest or Alotta Vagina in Austin Powers.
I like the queerness of DAF too. There's also a weird thing with duality. Two Blofelds, two Peter Franks, two Klaus Hergesheimers, Wint and Kidd, Bambi and Thumper. Probably means nothing, but there's a lot of doubles.
Wow! You make a lot of good points there.I feel DAF would rank higher in general if it weren’t for two elements.
1) That the production didn’t face obvious budget cutbacks to the point where the action climax on the oil rig looked cheap.
2) That Connery wasn’t in better shape.
All the elements were there for a genuinely terrific Bond entry ( provided you weren’t expecting an OHMSS direct sequel ).As it is I do enjoy the film a lot even if I rank it my least favourite of the Connery era.
I don't think that's the Bond films poking fun at themselves though (no more than usual anyway). The Broadchest gag is self-referential, you're right. 'Plenty' might be a riff on the Pussy name, but it's not poking fun at it.
I tend to view DAF as a follow up to YOLT, not OHMSS. At no point is Tracy referenced or mentioned. Bond to me is merely tracking down Blofeld in order to get the job done. It's a personal revenge for himself. Also if it were a direct sequel or follow up to OHMSS, then Moneypenny asking Bond to bring her back a diamond, in a ring from Amsterdam would be pretty cold, considering he's seemingly recently had his wife murdered on their wedding day.
I think all involved decided to make the film lighter and more fun, and ignore the going's on of OHMSS altogether.
100% Benny, the PTS starts out in Japan after all!
They sure did. Perhaps that scene could've been shot at Pinewood and the budget spent going to France could've been used for improving the visual effects toward the climax?
A direct comic reversal of the name Pussy Galore certainly seems to be poking fun. And it's in a scene where Bond is completely overdressed in a sleazy Vegas casino. And it's the movie with the line, "You just killed James Bond." And Blofeld having signs in his base that say IF IN DOUBT ASK.
Holly Goodhead and Xenia Onatopp are (lame) riffs on the Pussy Galore motif, but Plenty O'Toole is parody.
Ultimately the best way of addressing the elephant was to wink at it. And the best time to do so was after the pre-credits had ended, when all the preceding tension had been dispelled, and right before Binder's titles, which asserted the film's continuity with all the preceding Bond films, even if the actor was different. The filmmakers found the best place for this potentially throwaway line--the shock it causes is swiftly dispelled by the opening thunderclaps of Barry's theme music.
The film openly acknowledges that this is Bond is a different fella than the one we've come to know and love, but asserts he's still appearing in a genuine Bond film.
Agreed. I think the entire early 1970s Mankiewicz/Hamilton trilogy can be seen as a sort of "parallel universe" timeline where OHMSS never happened. I think Moore Bond's reaction to learning a "Mrs. Bond" had already checked into his San Monique hotel in LALD seems to not recall Tracy in the least. The affirmation of OHMSS really happening in the Bond timeline didn't occur until TSWLM.
When I first saw it as a child I thought the other fellow was supposed to be Prince Charming since Bond's Cinderella, i.e. Tracy had left her shoes behind. It wasn't until I was older that I realized it was a direct reference to Connery.
I don’t agree, it’s not played that way.
I like that line. A reference to Connery having a film off but it also works in reference to Bond’s actions in the PTS.
Sorry I'm so argumentative :))
Think of it this way: "Pussy Galore" means "a substantial amount of vagina". "Plenty O'Toole" means " a substantial amount of penis". It is a direct reference to that specific name, and reversed in a way that makes the name less appealing to James Bond. If some other campy spy movie of the era had a character called "Plenty O'Toole", it would be more easily recognized as parody. Or imagine the villain of DAF was named Mrs Yes, and her lair was full of signs like "Employees MUST wash hands". It's obvious parody.
(I'm fairly sure most people don't even notice that Plenty O'Toole, only the second ridiculous name in the series, is a direct reversal of the first. It's rarely mentioned. People talk about it as just another silly name in the Bond movies...)
I think you're just misreading this somehow. I mean, there's no way Bond was "drawing a line between her dad having a big tallywhacker and her growing a fine pair of funbags".
This isn't the first time I've pursued a ridiculous argument about a Mankiewicz line. A comment of mine was once read on JBR and didn't persuade one of the hosts: I was asserting that Bond's LALD line, "Well I certainly wouldn't have killed you before" is an obvious joke about necrophilia (it is). :))
Ugh. More? You are a bit relentless sometimes.
I know that it's a reversal on Pussy: it just isn't making fun of it. It's not played as being ridiculous in Bond's world (unlike the Broadchest gag).
Bond in his dinner suit is taking the mick out him slightly, however, yes.
Not as scripted, but as played it leaves the audience with that impression. Partially because her tits are being focused on by the shot and Bond himself, partially because the size of her dad's dick is just such a weird thing for Bond to comment on. And her name is just strange anyway: Bond girl names are usually vaguely sexy. If she were a drag queen it would make more sense...
It's a joke about Bond wanting a shag. I think you're really misreading that one!
"I wouldn't have killed you before (I had sex with you)" is to say I wouldn't bonk your corpse. It does not mean "I wouldn't have killed you without having sex with you" or "I wouldn't have killed you until I had sex with you." Basically, if having sex with you and killing you are both going to happen, the order of events should be clear for a normal person. :))
But anyway, nothing about parody means that something has to be "played as being ridiculous in Bond's world". Nothing in Austin Powers seems to be addressed by the character as being ridiculous or out of place to him.
But yeah, her name is "strange", as you say. :)) Because it's satirical. The only name like it in the series.
Let’s move onto other controversial opinions:
I think George Martin’s score is crap. It takes me out of the film more than Eric Serra’s score did for GE.