Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,551
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah if we wanted a real Fleming-style Bond then he would be constantly winning and staying alive by pure luck! :D
    (Which we did get in CR to some extent, but I wouldn’t want that every time)

    Which is ironic considering he fails the mission lol

    Well, not massively ironic as that's how Fleming wrote it! :)

    I just meant that it's ironic he was constantly winning and staying alive by pure luck as you put it, only to fail in the end. Nothing regarding any discrepancies between the novel and the film.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,266
    silva13 wrote: »
    I always here people complain about Silva knowing the exact place to plant explosives to drop the train on Bond but I've always read it as Silva was always going to detonate a bomb in the train station as a way to divert emergency services away from the inquiry- having Bond there was purely a bonus hence why Silva is waiting in the dark for him to catch up!

    That’s how I always viewed it.

    I think many fans read way too into the “he’s planned this for years” line by Q, as if Silva anticipated EVERYTHING to the last detail. Except he never anticipated things like Mallory jumping in front of M to take a bullet.

    Well, there are a few more items, like the doors opening exactly after Q stupidly attached the network cable to Silva's laptop. Rather a stupid mistake tbh, when you work in a highly secure environment, but how would Silva time that one? Makes little sense to me. It would be far more convincing if that didn't happen directly, but i.e. hours later -> then the timing would make sense.

    The timing here never really bothered me that much, it'd be safe for Silva to assume the higher priority would be getting him in that cage, and then he just set his computer to open the doors as soon as it was plugged in, which he could assume would be after they locked him up. Maybe I'm missing something though.

    Well it's this exact timing - q making a rookie mistake - that opens the doors so silva can run to the inquiry which was only set up because of Silva's succesfull attack (or did he hack into that system too to plan an enquiry as well?) so he could on his way there set a bomb to destract emergency services so he could go to that enquiry immediately (which timing, as said, is connected to q's timing of plugging in) and go and kill M. It's just too much, and far from the coincidences Fleming wrote, because here the villains' plot depends on the exact timing of a major character on the opposite side. Fleming only let coincidences safe Bond where they might actually happen.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,551
    silva13 wrote: »
    I always here people complain about Silva knowing the exact place to plant explosives to drop the train on Bond but I've always read it as Silva was always going to detonate a bomb in the train station as a way to divert emergency services away from the inquiry- having Bond there was purely a bonus hence why Silva is waiting in the dark for him to catch up!

    That’s how I always viewed it.

    I think many fans read way too into the “he’s planned this for years” line by Q, as if Silva anticipated EVERYTHING to the last detail. Except he never anticipated things like Mallory jumping in front of M to take a bullet.

    Well, there are a few more items, like the doors opening exactly after Q stupidly attached the network cable to Silva's laptop. Rather a stupid mistake tbh, when you work in a highly secure environment, but how would Silva time that one? Makes little sense to me. It would be far more convincing if that didn't happen directly, but i.e. hours later -> then the timing would make sense.

    The timing here never really bothered me that much, it'd be safe for Silva to assume the higher priority would be getting him in that cage, and then he just set his computer to open the doors as soon as it was plugged in, which he could assume would be after they locked him up. Maybe I'm missing something though.

    Well it's this exact timing - q making a rookie mistake - that opens the doors so silva can run to the inquiry which was only set up because of Silva's succesfull attack (or did he hack into that system too to plan an enquiry as well?) so he could on his way there set a bomb to destract emergency services so he could go to that enquiry immediately (which timing, as said, is connected to q's timing of plugging in) and go and kill M. It's just too much, and far from the coincidences Fleming wrote, because here the villains' plot depends on the exact timing of a major character on the opposite side. Fleming only let coincidences safe Bond where they might actually happen.

    I'm not sure what you mean about setting a bomb to distract emergency services, do you mean the train explosion that almost crashed into Bond?

    I don't know, if it takes you out of the story, then it's a fair complaint I'd say but none of it really bothered me that much when I was watching the movie. One true coincidence I suppose you could say is that Q plugged the laptop in and opened the doors giving Silva just enough time to reach the hearing at a very dramatic moment, but this is just dramatic filmmaking; it didn't take me out at all, they were just telling a story.

    At some point we're going to have to depart from this "WWIFD" rhetoric. He's been gone for a long time, and if we want the franchise and the stories to continue, they're going to have to get more and more different, lest we just keep repeating what we have already.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2021 Posts: 16,413
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah if we wanted a real Fleming-style Bond then he would be constantly winning and staying alive by pure luck! :D
    (Which we did get in CR to some extent, but I wouldn’t want that every time)

    Which is ironic considering he fails the mission lol

    Well, not massively ironic as that's how Fleming wrote it! :)

    I just meant that it's ironic he was constantly winning and staying alive by pure luck as you put it, only to fail in the end. Nothing regarding any discrepancies between the novel and the film.

    Well his life is saved by luck there, though. Again, not really ironic- it's just another example of the situations I was describing.
    silva13 wrote: »
    I always here people complain about Silva knowing the exact place to plant explosives to drop the train on Bond but I've always read it as Silva was always going to detonate a bomb in the train station as a way to divert emergency services away from the inquiry- having Bond there was purely a bonus hence why Silva is waiting in the dark for him to catch up!

    That’s how I always viewed it.

    I think many fans read way too into the “he’s planned this for years” line by Q, as if Silva anticipated EVERYTHING to the last detail. Except he never anticipated things like Mallory jumping in front of M to take a bullet.

    Well, there are a few more items, like the doors opening exactly after Q stupidly attached the network cable to Silva's laptop. Rather a stupid mistake tbh, when you work in a highly secure environment, but how would Silva time that one? Makes little sense to me. It would be far more convincing if that didn't happen directly, but i.e. hours later -> then the timing would make sense.

    The timing here never really bothered me that much, it'd be safe for Silva to assume the higher priority would be getting him in that cage, and then he just set his computer to open the doors as soon as it was plugged in, which he could assume would be after they locked him up. Maybe I'm missing something though.

    Well it's this exact timing - q making a rookie mistake - that opens the doors so silva can run to the inquiry which was only set up because of Silva's succesfull attack (or did he hack into that system too to plan an enquiry as well?) so he could on his way there set a bomb to destract emergency services so he could go to that enquiry immediately (which timing, as said, is connected to q's timing of plugging in) and go and kill M. It's just too much, and far from the coincidences Fleming wrote, because here the villains' plot depends on the exact timing of a major character on the opposite side. Fleming only let coincidences safe Bond where they might actually happen.

    I'm not sure what you mean about setting a bomb to distract emergency services, do you mean the train explosion that almost crashed into Bond?

    I don't know, if it takes you out of the story, then it's a fair complaint I'd say but none of it really bothered me that much when I was watching the movie. One true coincidence I suppose you could say is that Q plugged the laptop in and opened the doors giving Silva just enough time to reach the hearing at a very dramatic moment, but this is just dramatic filmmaking; it didn't take me out at all, they were just telling a story.

    Yes I agree: the only problem comes when you think about it afterwards and have to consider 'hang on, was his plan that M would be at an enquiry at exactly that moment? How did he plan that?' but it's not something that spoils it when watching it.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited September 2021 Posts: 7,551
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah if we wanted a real Fleming-style Bond then he would be constantly winning and staying alive by pure luck! :D
    (Which we did get in CR to some extent, but I wouldn’t want that every time)

    Which is ironic considering he fails the mission lol

    Well, not massively ironic as that's how Fleming wrote it! :)

    I just meant that it's ironic he was constantly winning and staying alive by pure luck as you put it, only to fail in the end. Nothing regarding any discrepancies between the novel and the film.

    Well his life is saved by luck there, though. Again, not really ironic- it's just another example of the situations I was describing.

    Fair enough I suppose, I'm not really sure what you're original point was. All I was saying is that, in a story where Bond constantly succeeds through luck, and stays alive through luck, and then ultimately fails, is ironic. Bond failing is the irony. I say he fails because:
    • Le Chiffre dies so he can't be brought into MI6 for information,
    • A the end of the film the proceeds of the game end up in the hands of the terrorist organization (even though Mr. White ends up in the hands of Bond).
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,188
    I always thought by capturing White that meant Bond got the money back. However, we never actually see that happen, so we can’t say for sure if he ultimately lost the money or not. Given how triumphant he seems at the end, I would assume he got the money back!
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,266
    silva13 wrote: »
    I always here people complain about Silva knowing the exact place to plant explosives to drop the train on Bond but I've always read it as Silva was always going to detonate a bomb in the train station as a way to divert emergency services away from the inquiry- having Bond there was purely a bonus hence why Silva is waiting in the dark for him to catch up!

    That’s how I always viewed it.

    I think many fans read way too into the “he’s planned this for years” line by Q, as if Silva anticipated EVERYTHING to the last detail. Except he never anticipated things like Mallory jumping in front of M to take a bullet.

    Well, there are a few more items, like the doors opening exactly after Q stupidly attached the network cable to Silva's laptop. Rather a stupid mistake tbh, when you work in a highly secure environment, but how would Silva time that one? Makes little sense to me. It would be far more convincing if that didn't happen directly, but i.e. hours later -> then the timing would make sense.

    The timing here never really bothered me that much, it'd be safe for Silva to assume the higher priority would be getting him in that cage, and then he just set his computer to open the doors as soon as it was plugged in, which he could assume would be after they locked him up. Maybe I'm missing something though.

    Well it's this exact timing - q making a rookie mistake - that opens the doors so silva can run to the inquiry which was only set up because of Silva's succesfull attack (or did he hack into that system too to plan an enquiry as well?) so he could on his way there set a bomb to destract emergency services so he could go to that enquiry immediately (which timing, as said, is connected to q's timing of plugging in) and go and kill M. It's just too much, and far from the coincidences Fleming wrote, because here the villains' plot depends on the exact timing of a major character on the opposite side. Fleming only let coincidences safe Bond where they might actually happen.

    I'm not sure what you mean about setting a bomb to distract emergency services, do you mean the train explosion that almost crashed into Bond?

    I don't know, if it takes you out of the story, then it's a fair complaint I'd say but none of it really bothered me that much when I was watching the movie. One true coincidence I suppose you could say is that Q plugged the laptop in and opened the doors giving Silva just enough time to reach the hearing at a very dramatic moment, but this is just dramatic filmmaking; it didn't take me out at all, they were just telling a story.

    At some point we're going to have to depart from this "WWIFD" rhetoric. He's been gone for a long time, and if we want the franchise and the stories to continue, they're going to have to get more and more different, lest we just keep repeating what we have already.

    For me that really took me out of the story. They could've easily fixed that by making a time lapse in between Silva getting caught and Q plugging in, and him then checking with his crew if the hearing already started. That coincendence I'd have bought. But to me all this is cheap scriptwriting, another 'invisible Aston Martin' for Purvis and Wade to show that they're lazy (or just not that good) scriptwriters.

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    I always thought by capturing White that meant Bond got the money back. However, we never actually see that happen, so we can’t say for sure if he ultimately lost the money or not. Given how triumphant he seems at the end, I would assume he got the money back!

    I guess it's for the Mandela effect thread, but for a while I could swear White was holding the suitcase with the money when Bond shot him. In any case, I always assumed he picked up the money back.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited September 2021 Posts: 14,584
    In the film, that case of money would've been long gone. I doubt White would've taken it back to his house.

    In the QOS game, you search for the briefcase in White's estate, but it's not there. It is never found.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited September 2021 Posts: 8,217
    QBranch wrote: »
    In the film, that case of money would've been long gone. I doubt White would've taken it back to his house.

    In the QOS game, you search for the briefcase in White's estate, but it's not there. It is never found.

    Yeah I always assumed a decent chunk of time (maybe a day) had passed between Bond getting White's number in Venice and him catching up with him at his estate. The money was long gone.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    I don't think anyone really knows for sure what happens, in terms of specifics, in the second half of Casino Royale. The viewer gets to sort it out.
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 15,124
    QBranch wrote: »
    In the film, that case of money would've been long gone. I doubt White would've taken it back to his house.

    In the QOS game, you search for the briefcase in White's estate, but it's not there. It is never found.

    Yeah I always assumed a decent chunk of time (maybe a day) had passed between Bond getting White's number in Venice and him catching up with him at his estate. The money was long gone.

    I don't know. I always thought he was trusted to keep it close to him until he leaves the country to get it somewhere safe. But then again I thought he was holding the suitcase when he got shot on the leg.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Damn those filmmakers for not being considerate enough of audiences to make it explicit if the money was retrieved or not! ;)
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Damn those filmmakers for not being considerate enough of audiences to make it explicit if the money was retrieved or not! ;)

    :))

    I think the story they were telling was that the money was reabsorbed by Quantum. But yeah, there was no hand-holding with regards to the outcome that way, which I think is a good thing.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    Posts: 1,711
    Indeed, if they're not going to tell you whether Mathis is a baddie, explain how Bond's password could get Le Chiffre the money, or offer a compelling reason for Vesper to hand over the winnings, I don't know why they'd flesh out this aspect! Even in analyzing this movie to try to figure out what's going on, the question of whether the money was retrieved by Bond never even occured to me!
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Well Bond and White both changed clothes between Venice and the final scene. And there's a highway distance of 350 km or more involved.

    As far as what's on screen for viewers: White is carrying the money. No other transfer is indicated. Would he trust anyone else with it, at that point?

    I like the idea of OO7 winning, undercutting the bad guys in the long run every time.

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    I think the money was long gone by the time Bond caught up with White at the end.

    It’s strange how the two films in the Craig era that gets the most praise ( CR and SF ) both end with him failing the mission but he acts like he’s triumphant in the final frame of both!
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I think the money was long gone by the time Bond caught up with White at the end.

    It’s strange how the two films in the Craig era that gets the most praise ( CR and SF ) both end with him failing the mission but he acts like he’s triumphant in the final frame of both!

    Perhaps the moral of the story is that success or failure are merely states of mind and that Bond may have lost the battle this time but not the whole war?
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    Well Bond and White both changed clothes between Venice and the final scene. And there's a highway distance of 350 km or more involved.

    As far as what's on screen for viewers: White is carrying the money. No other transfer is indicated. Would he trust anyone else with it, at that point?

    I like the idea of OO7 winning, undercutting the bad guys in the long run every time.

    5aabd7fdfa183f78c1efc267eb7be7388f6ba297.gifv


    That's a good point actually. I'd like to think Bond got the money back. After all, if it's not mentioned explicitly in QOS, you don't hear M complaining: "What happened to the winnings, 007?"
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2021 Posts: 16,413
    Ludovico wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    In the film, that case of money would've been long gone. I doubt White would've taken it back to his house.

    In the QOS game, you search for the briefcase in White's estate, but it's not there. It is never found.

    Yeah I always assumed a decent chunk of time (maybe a day) had passed between Bond getting White's number in Venice and him catching up with him at his estate. The money was long gone.

    I don't know. I always thought he was trusted to keep it close to him until he leaves the country to get it somewhere safe. But then again I thought he was holding the suitcase when he got shot on the leg.

    If you look carefully Mr White does still seem to have some of the money- he appears to have hidden a couple of wads of cash by tying them to his knees ;)

    nkb777e5s3r41.jpg
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    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    In the film, that case of money would've been long gone. I doubt White would've taken it back to his house.

    In the QOS game, you search for the briefcase in White's estate, but it's not there. It is never found.

    Yeah I always assumed a decent chunk of time (maybe a day) had passed between Bond getting White's number in Venice and him catching up with him at his estate. The money was long gone.

    I don't know. I always thought he was trusted to keep it close to him until he leaves the country to get it somewhere safe. But then again I thought he was holding the suitcase when he got shot on the leg.

    If you look carefully Mr White does still seem to have some of the money- he appears to have hidden a couple of wads of cash by tying them to his knees ;)

    nkb777e5s3r41.jpg

    I have a hunch those are knee pads as he would soon be hitting the ground and crawling.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Maybe he had a squib in there too.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,551
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    In the film, that case of money would've been long gone. I doubt White would've taken it back to his house.

    In the QOS game, you search for the briefcase in White's estate, but it's not there. It is never found.

    Yeah I always assumed a decent chunk of time (maybe a day) had passed between Bond getting White's number in Venice and him catching up with him at his estate. The money was long gone.

    I don't know. I always thought he was trusted to keep it close to him until he leaves the country to get it somewhere safe. But then again I thought he was holding the suitcase when he got shot on the leg.

    If you look carefully Mr White does still seem to have some of the money- he appears to have hidden a couple of wads of cash by tying them to his knees ;)

    nkb777e5s3r41.jpg

    I have a hunch those are knee pads as he would soon be hitting the ground and crawling.

    I think that was the joke
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    In the film, that case of money would've been long gone. I doubt White would've taken it back to his house.

    In the QOS game, you search for the briefcase in White's estate, but it's not there. It is never found.

    Yeah I always assumed a decent chunk of time (maybe a day) had passed between Bond getting White's number in Venice and him catching up with him at his estate. The money was long gone.

    I don't know. I always thought he was trusted to keep it close to him until he leaves the country to get it somewhere safe. But then again I thought he was holding the suitcase when he got shot on the leg.

    If you look carefully Mr White does still seem to have some of the money- he appears to have hidden a couple of wads of cash by tying them to his knees ;)

    nkb777e5s3r41.jpg

    I have a hunch those are knee pads as he would soon be hitting the ground and crawling.
    Amazing that he foresaw that.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,281
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    In the film, that case of money would've been long gone. I doubt White would've taken it back to his house.

    In the QOS game, you search for the briefcase in White's estate, but it's not there. It is never found.

    Yeah I always assumed a decent chunk of time (maybe a day) had passed between Bond getting White's number in Venice and him catching up with him at his estate. The money was long gone.

    I don't know. I always thought he was trusted to keep it close to him until he leaves the country to get it somewhere safe. But then again I thought he was holding the suitcase when he got shot on the leg.

    If you look carefully Mr White does still seem to have some of the money- he appears to have hidden a couple of wads of cash by tying them to his knees ;)

    nkb777e5s3r41.jpg

    I have a hunch those are knee pads as he would soon be hitting the ground and crawling.
    Amazing that he foresaw that.

    A throwback to his Boy Scout days: "Be prepared." The director thinks of everything. ;)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,413
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    In the film, that case of money would've been long gone. I doubt White would've taken it back to his house.

    In the QOS game, you search for the briefcase in White's estate, but it's not there. It is never found.

    Yeah I always assumed a decent chunk of time (maybe a day) had passed between Bond getting White's number in Venice and him catching up with him at his estate. The money was long gone.

    I don't know. I always thought he was trusted to keep it close to him until he leaves the country to get it somewhere safe. But then again I thought he was holding the suitcase when he got shot on the leg.

    If you look carefully Mr White does still seem to have some of the money- he appears to have hidden a couple of wads of cash by tying them to his knees ;)

    nkb777e5s3r41.jpg

    I have a hunch those are knee pads as he would soon be hitting the ground and crawling.

    Doesn’t seem likely. I would think it’s the bundles of cash: classic place to stash it.
  • Well Bond and White both changed clothes between Venice and the final scene. And there's a highway distance of 350 km or more involved.

    As far as what's on screen for viewers: White is carrying the money. No other transfer is indicated. Would he trust anyone else with it, at that point?

    I like the idea of OO7 winning, undercutting the bad guys in the long run every time.

    5aabd7fdfa183f78c1efc267eb7be7388f6ba297.gifv


    I once found an interesting account of the car chase at the beginning of QoS (credit to meem09). It seems that without highways, there was a distance of 460 miles (741 kilometres) between Villa Gaeta and Siena. This means that he drove for 310 miles without his car door, as he lost that when he was driving through the tunnels on the SR249 at Malcesine. I'll post the link to that here, because some of the geography is messed up particularly in the PTSs. In the Skyfall PTS, they moved from Istanbul to Izmir I believe :))
  • Posts: 15,124
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    In the film, that case of money would've been long gone. I doubt White would've taken it back to his house.

    In the QOS game, you search for the briefcase in White's estate, but it's not there. It is never found.

    Yeah I always assumed a decent chunk of time (maybe a day) had passed between Bond getting White's number in Venice and him catching up with him at his estate. The money was long gone.

    I don't know. I always thought he was trusted to keep it close to him until he leaves the country to get it somewhere safe. But then again I thought he was holding the suitcase when he got shot on the leg.

    If you look carefully Mr White does still seem to have some of the money- he appears to have hidden a couple of wads of cash by tying them to his knees ;)

    nkb777e5s3r41.jpg

    I have a hunch those are knee pads as he would soon be hitting the ground and crawling.

    Nah, it must be the money.

    Maybe not a controversial opinion as much as a controversial hypothesis, but I'd like to think that Necros posing as a milkman is an obscure homage to Sean Connery, given his own background as a milkman. Or maybe it was influenced by A Clockwork Orange?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited September 2021 Posts: 7,551
    Well Bond and White both changed clothes between Venice and the final scene. And there's a highway distance of 350 km or more involved.

    As far as what's on screen for viewers: White is carrying the money. No other transfer is indicated. Would he trust anyone else with it, at that point?

    I like the idea of OO7 winning, undercutting the bad guys in the long run every time.

    5aabd7fdfa183f78c1efc267eb7be7388f6ba297.gifv


    I once found an interesting account of the car chase at the beginning of QoS (credit to meem09). It seems that without highways, there was a distance of 460 miles (741 kilometres) between Villa Gaeta and Siena. This means that he drove for 310 miles without his car door, as he lost that when he was driving through the tunnels on the SR249 at Malcesine. I'll post the link to that here, because some of the geography is messed up particularly in the PTSs. In the Skyfall PTS, they moved from Istanbul to Izmir I believe :))

    I'd have liked an extended version of this PTS where he stops for gas without a door. Maybe Mr. White yells out of the trunk for some snacks. Would have been a nice reference to *CONTROVERSIAL OPINION INCOMING* the only good part of Octopussy.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2021 Posts: 16,413
    Well Bond and White both changed clothes between Venice and the final scene. And there's a highway distance of 350 km or more involved.

    As far as what's on screen for viewers: White is carrying the money. No other transfer is indicated. Would he trust anyone else with it, at that point?

    I like the idea of OO7 winning, undercutting the bad guys in the long run every time.

    5aabd7fdfa183f78c1efc267eb7be7388f6ba297.gifv


    I once found an interesting account of the car chase at the beginning of QoS (credit to meem09). It seems that without highways, there was a distance of 460 miles (741 kilometres) between Villa Gaeta and Siena. This means that he drove for 310 miles without his car door, as he lost that when he was driving through the tunnels on the SR249 at Malcesine. I'll post the link to that here, because some of the geography is messed up particularly in the PTSs. In the Skyfall PTS, they moved from Istanbul to Izmir I believe :))

    I'd have liked an extended version of this PTS where he stops for gas without a door. Maybe Mr. White yells out of the trunk for some snacks. Would have been a nice reference to *CONTROVERSIAL OPINION INCOMING* the only good part of Octopussy.

    :-O

    Guess who’s leaving again?
    ;)
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