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I just meant that it's ironic he was constantly winning and staying alive by pure luck as you put it, only to fail in the end. Nothing regarding any discrepancies between the novel and the film.
Well it's this exact timing - q making a rookie mistake - that opens the doors so silva can run to the inquiry which was only set up because of Silva's succesfull attack (or did he hack into that system too to plan an enquiry as well?) so he could on his way there set a bomb to destract emergency services so he could go to that enquiry immediately (which timing, as said, is connected to q's timing of plugging in) and go and kill M. It's just too much, and far from the coincidences Fleming wrote, because here the villains' plot depends on the exact timing of a major character on the opposite side. Fleming only let coincidences safe Bond where they might actually happen.
I'm not sure what you mean about setting a bomb to distract emergency services, do you mean the train explosion that almost crashed into Bond?
I don't know, if it takes you out of the story, then it's a fair complaint I'd say but none of it really bothered me that much when I was watching the movie. One true coincidence I suppose you could say is that Q plugged the laptop in and opened the doors giving Silva just enough time to reach the hearing at a very dramatic moment, but this is just dramatic filmmaking; it didn't take me out at all, they were just telling a story.
At some point we're going to have to depart from this "WWIFD" rhetoric. He's been gone for a long time, and if we want the franchise and the stories to continue, they're going to have to get more and more different, lest we just keep repeating what we have already.
Well his life is saved by luck there, though. Again, not really ironic- it's just another example of the situations I was describing.
Yes I agree: the only problem comes when you think about it afterwards and have to consider 'hang on, was his plan that M would be at an enquiry at exactly that moment? How did he plan that?' but it's not something that spoils it when watching it.
Fair enough I suppose, I'm not really sure what you're original point was. All I was saying is that, in a story where Bond constantly succeeds through luck, and stays alive through luck, and then ultimately fails, is ironic. Bond failing is the irony. I say he fails because:
For me that really took me out of the story. They could've easily fixed that by making a time lapse in between Silva getting caught and Q plugging in, and him then checking with his crew if the hearing already started. That coincendence I'd have bought. But to me all this is cheap scriptwriting, another 'invisible Aston Martin' for Purvis and Wade to show that they're lazy (or just not that good) scriptwriters.
I guess it's for the Mandela effect thread, but for a while I could swear White was holding the suitcase with the money when Bond shot him. In any case, I always assumed he picked up the money back.
In the QOS game, you search for the briefcase in White's estate, but it's not there. It is never found.
Yeah I always assumed a decent chunk of time (maybe a day) had passed between Bond getting White's number in Venice and him catching up with him at his estate. The money was long gone.
I don't know. I always thought he was trusted to keep it close to him until he leaves the country to get it somewhere safe. But then again I thought he was holding the suitcase when he got shot on the leg.
:))
I think the story they were telling was that the money was reabsorbed by Quantum. But yeah, there was no hand-holding with regards to the outcome that way, which I think is a good thing.
As far as what's on screen for viewers: White is carrying the money. No other transfer is indicated. Would he trust anyone else with it, at that point?
I like the idea of OO7 winning, undercutting the bad guys in the long run every time.
It’s strange how the two films in the Craig era that gets the most praise ( CR and SF ) both end with him failing the mission but he acts like he’s triumphant in the final frame of both!
Perhaps the moral of the story is that success or failure are merely states of mind and that Bond may have lost the battle this time but not the whole war?
That's a good point actually. I'd like to think Bond got the money back. After all, if it's not mentioned explicitly in QOS, you don't hear M complaining: "What happened to the winnings, 007?"
If you look carefully Mr White does still seem to have some of the money- he appears to have hidden a couple of wads of cash by tying them to his knees ;)
I have a hunch those are knee pads as he would soon be hitting the ground and crawling.
I think that was the joke
A throwback to his Boy Scout days: "Be prepared." The director thinks of everything. ;)
Doesn’t seem likely. I would think it’s the bundles of cash: classic place to stash it.
I once found an interesting account of the car chase at the beginning of QoS (credit to meem09). It seems that without highways, there was a distance of 460 miles (741 kilometres) between Villa Gaeta and Siena. This means that he drove for 310 miles without his car door, as he lost that when he was driving through the tunnels on the SR249 at Malcesine. I'll post the link to that here, because some of the geography is messed up particularly in the PTSs. In the Skyfall PTS, they moved from Istanbul to Izmir I believe :))
Nah, it must be the money.
Maybe not a controversial opinion as much as a controversial hypothesis, but I'd like to think that Necros posing as a milkman is an obscure homage to Sean Connery, given his own background as a milkman. Or maybe it was influenced by A Clockwork Orange?
I'd have liked an extended version of this PTS where he stops for gas without a door. Maybe Mr. White yells out of the trunk for some snacks. Would have been a nice reference to *CONTROVERSIAL OPINION INCOMING* the only good part of Octopussy.
:-O
Guess who’s leaving again?
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