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Oh yeah, that too. I am hopping out of the 'Q in the field' chat, because I clearly haven't thought it through enough haha.
Exactly.
"Never let them see you bleed...HIC...006, 007."
"Who do you mean? Is that a metaphor?"
"Meta for what?"
I think it's just a general reference to Q supplying Bond with gadgets that go on to save his life and get him out of tricky situations. It's a shorthand way of saying that. If you like, it's another version of, "Remember, if it hadn't been for Q Branch you'd have been dead long ago" from Licence to Kill.
However, I do get your point too, in that it does sort of spring up from nowhere as a sort of pithy saying. I guess it ultimately comes down to the writing and what the scriptwriters perceived Bond had learned from Q over the years. I'm sure to many the quote is somewhat counterfactual, but there it is. I suppose it's a bit like the "sexist, misogynist dinosaur" comment about Bond from M in GoldenEye in that it might appear a bit revisionist in terms of what came before.
Is it though? :) It's kind of... a completely different thing. The LTK thing does actually bear some similarity to what we've seen, which is a bit better :D
I remember in the cinema thinking "Eh? That doesn't sound like Q at all" and that line has always smacked of them needing Q to say two things so they can end on the 'escape route' line (ideally three really, for the rule of three). But they couldn't think of a first one so they put that 'bleed' line in the script with the intention of replacing it with something better, and which made more sense, when they eventually thought of it! :D
Barry's last chord for Moore has the feel of a curtain call to it.
Other than that, it's just me imagining that "007 alive" and "just cleaning up a few details" connote a sense of finality.
That he goes out on a light note (an "Ooh," no less) in this sometimes dark film seems very Moore.
A lot is made about the fact that Bond uses the likeness of Pierce Brosnan.
But..
IMO the in game Bond bares very little resemblance to what Brosnan looked like in 2002 (Die Another Day).
They just about get the hair right, thats it.
I wish Craig got a final Bond game after NTTD.
Yes that was weird, although I did think Brosnan gave quite an insultingly low energy performance for Everything or Nothing. At least Craig and Connery were actually giving it a bit of power when they did their games.
I still wish they'd have done another retro 007 game after FRWL with Roger Moore; I think he'd have really gone for it, plus he barely sounded any older.
Oh yeah, a new story set in the TSWLM/MR period would have been brilliant fun. Flares, Lotus Esprits, space shuttles, a lot of orange and everything. Call it something silly like Come Spy With Me - job's a good 'un :)
Is that right? That's very interesting, I didn't know that. I don't blame them either; it's just a shame they didn't go for more retro Bonds after that, but I guess it was in the interim period where there was no current Bond (?) so I guess the gap of opportunity was small.
It is kind of nicely full circle that it was Connery's final role too, playing 007 one more time. I know the Sir Billie cartoon came out after, but I think I read that he'd recorded his role quite a few years earlier.
@mtm If the plot does not require a gadget, if said gadget I'd either used as a deus ex machina or if a normal known tool would do just as well, then I'd say it's pretty much for the sake of it. And it's not a question of line to draw: it depends of the context. OHMSS, FYEO, CR and QOS barely had any gadgets, because they were not required and pretty much superfluous. Even in SF and SP, there are not that many.
I guess I can see what you mean: perhaps the most 'for the sake of it' gadget was the Sharper Image credit card in AVTAK- he could have done that with a normal credit card but because he's Bond it's got a light in it and beeps! :)
(Although I realise that actually is a joke about the Bond films spoofing themselves there to some extent)
Even so, I'd keep using new ones rather than reusing old ones wherever possible; although I recognise that it is a bit weird that Bond has these things which prove to be invaluable and yet never seems to ask Q if he can have another one! :D
SP’s title sequence is one of my favorites in the whole series.
I agree, I like the visuals from the past characters. Minor controversial opinion of my own: Greene and Camille should have been included in the sequence. Also, apparently Karen Gillan is one of the eyes in the sequence!
And Mathis. QOS gets the short end of the stick from EON all the time sadly :/
It does, and EON can only blame themselves for how it turned out (Marc Forster not being a Bond fan). While we’re at it, Felix Leiter should have been in the sequence. Felix Leiter has always been at the short end of the stick with EON. Jeffrey Wright (and Jack Lord) should have had more screentime as him.
QOS does tend to get overlooked it seems. Quite unjustly too as I personally feel it reached a kind of artistic and storytelling high point in Craig's tenure and proved Craig's best Bond performance to date. I do think it gets a nod in SP's title sequence though when we see those two figures falling and reaching out to each other. It's undoubtedly meant to be Bond and Madeleine, but visually it very closely mirrors Bond and Camille's free-fall in QOS.
Where did you hear that Karen Gillan provided one of the eyes for that sequence? Was she connected somehow with someone on the production?
Honestly, I heard it from IMDB. I wouldn’t be surprised if she was, she has said she would be interested in becoming a Bond alumni.
Interesting! True, you can't always believe what users submit to IMDB, but that's an interesting connection if true.
I'm not even so sure this is so controversial, but maybe that's only because I agree with you 100%.
I've seen a good deal of dislike for it around here.
Ah, fair enough!
EDIT: OH, I thought you meant PTS. I liked the titles sequence a lot too! I remember having a discussion here somewhere about how weird it was that after FRWL, they went in the octopus direction rather than the ghost direction with the symbolism for Spectre (especially given the name of the organization), but I'm not mad they went that way because I think octopodes are really interesting and add an interesting symbolism to the organization. Having said all that I think they did a great job incorporating that symbolism into the titles sequence of Spectre. I like it a lot too.
I think Kleinman is overtaking Binder as the best title artist. That's not a knock on Binder's best work, because his best IS hard to top. However, at some point in the 80s he just got lazy, settling down for cliched imagery that had very little to do with the actual plot. For example, there's absolutely no mistaking which titles were for which film when it came to TB, YOLT, OHMSS, DAF, LALD, TMWTGG, TSWLM, and MR. They carry all the thematic elements that those films were known for. FYEO is an oddity, because while it doesn't feature plot elements from the film it does feature Sheena Easton performing, and that's kind of a bold break from the usual formula. OP has a laser octopus and nearly nude circus performer, but those are fleeting rather than prevalent. AVTAK has skis, which is odd since that's only an element from the pre-titles. He seemed to be more interested in playing with his new black light toy. TLD, I guess vehicle headlights were supposed to represent "living daylights"? Why is someone shooting a pistol into the water? LTK has camera film, and casino imagery (would have worked for CR had that been made during Binder's run). Nothing to do with revenge or licence being revoked.