Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • Posts: 7,653
    SaintMark wrote:

    The invisible car is kinda funny

    Absolutely. Just like when a doctor says 'You have terminal pancreatic cancer' is 'kinda' funny.

    apples & pears but as long as you think it is funny. ;)

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Risico007 wrote:
    I only like after hours which is a cracked video series and then only for the cute nerdy girl

    As for 007 controversial Opinions Moore Connery and Brosnan did one too many bond films where Lazenby Dalton did one to few.

    I for one, agree completely. And I don't think too many others would oppose you either.
  • edited November 2013 Posts: 1,596
    I suppose it holds a fair bit of nostalgic value for me (Die Another Day) which could be why I stand in its corner.

    In any case, the last half is pretty "bad" (the sci-fi elements, silliness, CGI, etc.) but it has an energy that makes it watchable, is how I should have worded my comment.

    EDIT: nostalgia aside, the last half of the movie defeats any chance it has of ever moving up past, say, 18 or 19 in my rankings list, which I'm sure most everyone says is too high to begin with. Thank god for subjectivity.
  • Risico007 wrote:
    I only like after hours which is a cracked video series and then only for the cute nerdy girl

    As for 007 controversial Opinions Moore Connery and Brosnan did one too many bond films where Lazenby Dalton did one to few.

    I for one, agree completely. And I don't think too many others would oppose you either.

    Brosnan did one too few in my opinion, as bad as Die Another Day is. He should have gotten a 5th.
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    If I had it my way I would have Sean Connery do 7 Bond films DN-DAF, Roger Moore do his 7 LALD-AVTAK, Timothy Dalton do 3 films TLD, LTK, and 1 more. Pierce Brosnan do 5 films GE-DAD, and 1 more, and Daniel do 6 films CR, QOS, a 2010 Bond film, SF, and 2 more films
  • edited November 2013 Posts: 2,402
    My timeline is:

    Connery (4)

    LALD 62
    MR 63
    DAF 64
    FRWL 65

    Lazenby (9)

    DN 68
    GF 69
    Hildebrand Rarity 70
    FYEO 72
    TB (with Blofeld) 74
    TSWLM 76
    OHMSS 78 (with Blofeld)
    YOLT (end the Blofeld trilogy) 79
    TMWTGG 81

    Dalton (10)

    FAVTAK 83
    OP 85
    TLD 87
    TPOAL 89
    LTK 91
    007 in NY 93 (earning back his 00 after LTK)
    GE 95
    TND 97
    TWINE 2000
    DAD 02

    Craig (5)

    CR 06
    QOS 09
    SF 12
    EON 15
    Risico 18

    End of series.

    Controversial, no?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited November 2013 Posts: 15,715
    Controversial, no?

    remove Sir Rog completely? very controversial ;) :P

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    Controversial, no?

    remove Sir Rog completely? very controversial ;) :P

    Not controversial at all. Just batshit mental.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited November 2013 Posts: 15,715
    Controversial, no?

    remove Sir Rog completely? very controversial ;) :P

    Not controversial at all. Just batshit mental.

    doctor's orders: some viewings of 'Wild Geese', 'North Sea Hijack', 'TMWTGG', 'The Man Who Haunted Himself' and 'Sherlock Holmes in New York' for this weekend ;)

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    Here is one more

    Moore could of easily had a tenure as dark and close to the novels as Craig dalton and early Connery and actually thrived in said dark films. For your eyes only proves that.
  • edited November 2013 Posts: 1,596
    Risico007 wrote:
    Here is one more

    Moore could of easily had a tenure as dark and close to the novels as Craig dalton and early Connery and actually thrived in said dark films. For your eyes only proves that.

    I don't think FYEO was dark. It has a few "grittier" moments though I suppose, in which Moore does fine. So you may be right.

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    FYEO is not a dark film its just a more down to earth film, a more realistic film
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Risico007 wrote:
    Here is one more

    Moore could of easily had a tenure as dark and close to the novels as Craig dalton and early Connery and actually thrived in said dark films. For your eyes only proves that.

    There's a reason why the Moore era took the route it did and it was because Moore couldn't handle and convincingly pull off the requirements for a darker tone, which is why they went in the opposite direction. This was a conscious decision by all parties involved.
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    doubleoego wrote:
    Risico007 wrote:
    Here is one more

    Moore could of easily had a tenure as dark and close to the novels as Craig dalton and early Connery and actually thrived in said dark films. For your eyes only proves that.

    There's a reason why the Moore era took the route it did and it was because Moore couldn't handle and convincingly pull off the requirements for a darker tone, which is why they went in the opposite direction. This was a conscious decision by all parties involved.

    I disagree with the statement that Moore not being able to handle a darker tone, you should see some of his other work. The man is a very good actor but indeed he chose together with Broccoli for a certain tone of the movies, and they worked very well for 7 movies long.
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    SaintMark wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    Risico007 wrote:
    Here is one more

    Moore could of easily had a tenure as dark and close to the novels as Craig dalton and early Connery and actually thrived in said dark films. For your eyes only proves that.

    There's a reason why the Moore era took the route it did and it was because Moore couldn't handle and convincingly pull off the requirements for a darker tone, which is why they went in the opposite direction. This was a conscious decision by all parties involved.

    I disagree with the statement that Moore not being able to handle a darker tone, you should see some of his other work. The man is a very good actor but indeed he chose together with Broccoli for a certain tone of the movies, and they worked very well for 7 movies long.

    Anybody who doubts Moore's ability as an actor should just watch "The Man Who Haunted Himself".
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    I said this before Roger Moores Bond the way he played it was a breath of fresh air for the series. Its what the Bond franchise needed at the time.
  • fjdinardo wrote:
    I said this before Roger Moores Bond the way he played it was a breath of fresh air for the series. Its what the Bond franchise needed at the time.

    The very best thing some say about Moore as Bond was the variety he brought to the role. Serious, deadpan, humorous, ridiculous, bizarre, outstanding, fragile, tenacious, etc. It was all those things during his career. No release was really ever the same - he provided a bit of everything during his James Bond tenure. I don't think any of the other Bonds can quite match that

    That wasn't a controversial opinion, but just a response to the previous answer. Furthermore it was true and can't be disputed
  • I think Sir Rog was very versatile and always entertaining, regardless of the faithfulness to Fleming.

    He was steady when the films were constantly trying to find footing...if that make sense.
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
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    Roger Moore were always better than his films. Because even though i'm not that fond o the directions his films took he did always shine and did always his best. It is very obvious that he enjoyed being Bond and that he loved every second of it.

    His darkest film were TMWTGG and he played a harder Bond eloquently.
    Which brings me into my controversial opinion:

    TMWTGG is very Fleming-esque.
  • MrBond wrote:
    Roger Moore were always better than his films. Because even though i'm not that fond o the directions his films took he did always shine and did always his best. It is very obvious that he enjoyed being Bond and that he loved every second of it.

    His darkest film were TMWTGG and he played a harder Bond eloquently.
    Which brings me into my controversial opinion:

    TMWTGG is very Fleming-esque.

    Not as crazy as it sounds. Not by a long stretch.

  • edited November 2013 Posts: 3,566
    I have enjoyed a lot of articles, but sometimes I think they post controversial things just to be controversial, and their logic at times can be flawed.

    And of course, that sort of thing NEVER happens here... ;)
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
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    MrBond wrote:
    Roger Moore were always better than his films. Because even though i'm not that fond o the directions his films took he did always shine and did always his best. It is very obvious that he enjoyed being Bond and that he loved every second of it.

    His darkest film were TMWTGG and he played a harder Bond eloquently.
    Which brings me into my controversial opinion:

    TMWTGG is very Fleming-esque.

    Not as crazy as it sounds. Not by a long stretch.

    Peel of Pepper, some of Goodnight's actions and the handling of the karate-girls and you got a pretty serious story with some sarcastic undertones which is very much in vein of Fleming. Moore does also perform very much like Bond in the books, he's sinister but not as serious as Dalton and Craig sometimes are.
  • edited November 2013 Posts: 6,396
    Not content with slagging off DC on another website, they're now sticking their claws into TD.

    Some of the less intellectual highlights include: (I have suitably added my feelings)

    "I never thought Dalton was Bond." :O

    "Bond would never go rogue, as that is considered being a treason." X_X

    "Licence To Kill is not a Bond film. It was more like an American cop movie rather than something a British spy to be dealing with. Sure, Felix was murdered , but he should have AT LEAST took permission from M to investigate the situation, accusing Sanchez for being terrorist." 8-}

    "I personally think it was a mistake not to cast either Lewis Collins or Ian Ogilvy in the role in the eighties." =))
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @WillyGalore, I think Dalton received enough hate by not being given the chance to play Bond in 10 or 20 films. ;-)

    Seriously, though, I would love it if he had just one or two more Bond films under his belt. The two he gave us were fantastic.
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @WillyGalore, I think Dalton received enough hate by not being given the chance to play Bond in 10 or 20 films. ;-)

    Seriously, though, I would love it if he had just one or two more Bond films under his belt. The two he gave us were fantastic.

    Agree with you @Creasy. Clearly the only actor they consider as Bond is Brosnan.
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @WillyGalore, I think Dalton received enough hate by not being given the chance to play Bond in 10 or 20 films. ;-)

    Seriously, though, I would love it if he had just one or two more Bond films under his belt. The two he gave us were fantastic.

    I do think Dalton could've gone on that long as Bond (as per my timeline which is merely a fantasy). If I thought he looked too old in the 90's through to DAD, I wouldn't have had him go that long either.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    This will be weird coming from me, but I grow tired of the people who think Brosnan is the only Bond. They get overly obsessed with him (hell, I'm obsessed with the man), but it's to the point where every other Bond actor is trash somehow, and Brosnan was the only one who could play the role, but, oddly enough, Brosnan is usually ranked the lowest in most 'Bond Actors' lists. Funny how that works.

    I'll always defend him, and he is my favorite? Absolutely. Is he the best? Absolutely not. It's hard to argue that Connery doesn't still own that role.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Felix dies in LTK, eh? I must have seen the wrong film then, gentlemen. Could any of you be so kind as to direct me to that cut of the movie? ;)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Felix dies in LTK, eh? I must have seen the wrong film then, gentlemen. Could any of you be so kind as to direct me to that cut of the movie? ;)

    You haven't seen it? It's the cut where Bond gets stuck in the tanker that explodes, and then he comes back as a RoboSpy.
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    @Creasy and @0Brady. I don't know about you two but I just can't wait for the day when Lewis Collins is named as the 7th James Bond ;-)
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