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I'm here because I'm a Bond fan and I do enjoy the series for x amount of reasons but I just think the series has more bad entries than good ones overall and I'm secure in myself as a fan to acknowledge the series' weaknesses and the such like but that's just me.
IMO:
1) The balance tips in favour of the good Bond films.
2) Even some of the weaker Bond films (TMWTGG, AVTAK, ...) are among the stronger cinematic achievements of their time and within the confines of the thriller / spy / action genre. Even when plots disappoint, on a purely technical level most if not all Bond films tend to be amazing. E.g. MR.
3) The stronger Bond films are, overall, also strong films - period. For example, FRWL is not merely a great Bond film; it's a great film and one that puts many other films of the early 60s to shame.
I can't stress enough, that this is all IMO. :-)
That's a matter of opinion. For me LTK does end up less than the sum of its parts and I can only echo the comments others have made that it feels too American and Miami Vice-ish. It does however deliver better set pieces than Lethal Weapon 2, Batman and Indy 3 (although the tank scene is pretty fine) which makes it even more of a tragedy it got trounced by them.
I think of all the Bond films LTK probably suffers most from having a journeyman director like Glen. Imagine what Mendes could have done with that script and Dalton.
Never heard of Superman IV, Movie 43 or The Room? It's actually pretty insulting to EON to label even DAD which is at least competently (CGI aside) made and has some impressive ice driving to recommend it for you someone to make such a claim. RC7 has it pretty much spot on here.
All movies influence & borrow from each other.
But where other series fall by the wayside eventually, Bond, much like the Borg, ADAPTS. :))
It'd be nice if I wasn't belittled or called insane for an opinion. @00Beast was right; it happens far too often on here.
b-(
No matter how much i boo and hiss at films like MR and DAD, i still would take them over hundreds of other films i have seen and not necessarily hated.
If you hate a film, at least you care; there are a thousand films I've forgotten and will never even think of again....
a valid point, but while i remember hating films like Elysium and Scary Movie 4, if MR and DAD came on TV i would watch to the end whereas i would turn the channel if those did.
So retro...
:))
the fios supreme movie/sports package isn't cheap, i may as well get my money's worth!
DAD is a start-to-finish shouting match with my television.
And all the poor dude wanted was to make another FRWL. At least he said so before shooting. :(
Sticks and stones. I clearly don't think you're actually insane. Maybe a little. I can find plenty of redeemable qualities in the films noted above.
DAD
Bad Bond Films:
TWINE
OP
Average Bond Films:
YOLT
MR
AVTAK
QOS
GF
Good Bond Films:
DN
TB
LALD
Gun
Spy
FYEO
TND
Brilliant Bond Films:
FRWL
OHMSS
DAF
TLD
LTK
GE
CR
SF
Hence, by my reckoning, 13% of Bond films are subpar; 22% are average, while 65% are above average. That's a dam' good track record.
Atrocious Bond Films:
QOS
Bad Bond Films:
Dr. No
Tomorrow Never Dies
Average Bond Films:
Live and Let Die
YOLT
Die Another Day
Good Bond Films:
Goldfinger
Diamonds are Forever
The Living Daylights
TMWTGG
Licence to Kill
FYEO
Casino Royale
Brilliant Bond Films:
FRWL
Skyfall
OHMSS
AVTAK
Goldeneye
Octopussy
Thunderball
TSWLM
Moonraker
The World is not Enough
MR
Bad Bond Films:
NSNA
Average Bond films
DAF
LALD
AVTAK
DAD
Good Bond Films:
DN
GF
TB
YOLT
TMWTGG
TSWLM
FYEO
OP
TWINE
QOS
SF
Brilliant Bond Films:
FRWL
OHMSS
TLD
LTK
GE
TND
CR
As I said in my opener, I think the good films outweigh the bad here. You have classics like DN, FRWL, GF, OHMSS and more that, love 'em or hate 'em, helped give Bond the iconic image he holds today. Other films both before and after them may have their issues, as some of the Moore films do for me, but overall even the more lack luster efforts have great things about them that make them a thousand times greater than a truly bad film. Bad films are unwatchable, cringe-worthy and show no substance or grand filmmaking shine, whereas a vast majority of the Bond films are well put together pieces of entertainment, some of which have gone beyond normal action films and earned an influential legacy of their own. It's Bond so I'll always be biased, but I truly count the vast majority of these films as the pinnacles of the cinematic art form.
Agreed.
Motor Home Massacre, Don't Go Into The Woods Alone, The Rage: Carrie 2, Captain America II: Death Too Soon, ...
By comparison, DAD is on the level of Citizen Kane.
A franchise that have tried most of the times to innovate or to give a solid film, couldn't be blamed for being mediocre. Taking the "average" of the Bond films isn't exactly zero. Of course, not every single one is a FRWL or CR, but as the Man said, "you can't win them all".
I.... I just can't deal.... don't hate me.... =;
Yeah okay, like I said, some ideas will never work. But the sounds in space is a common mistake. I choose to ignore that when watching MR. ;-)
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