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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited December 2013 Posts: 14,568
    royale65 wrote:
    Now, for some real controversy; I love The World Is Not Enough
    Yeah, I quite like TWINE, but I think it sits in the middle of my rankings. It's got some great moments though:

    - PTS. Over-rated boat chase or not, one can't deny this plus the banker scene is a highlight
    - the snow scene isn't on par with OHMSS or FYEO but it's still fun
    - Russian silo scene- the banter with M and Renard, and some of the camera angles here are great
    - I quite like the pipeline moment with Bond deciding to let it explode
    - the Maiden's tower has some good scenes with M/Renard and Bond/Elektra, 'I never miss' regarded as one of Brosnan's best moments of his tenure.

    I don't think I've seen TWINE in anyone's top 5. Where does it rank for you, @royale65?
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
    Posts: 1,970
    royale65 wrote:
    0013 wrote:
    I don't know if this is controversial, but I like TND as much as GE. It's a solid-action flick, with some mistakes but overall stands very well.

    I agree with that.

    Now, for some real controversy; I love The World Is Not Enough

    OMG The World is Not Enough is my favorite Bond of all time. Its the best of the best IMO and Brosnans best performance as Bond
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    QBranch wrote:
    royale65 wrote:
    Now, for some real controversy; I love The World Is Not Enough
    Yeah, I quite like TWINE, but I think it sits in the middle of my rankings. It's got some great moments though:

    - PTS. Over-rated boat chase or not, one can't deny this plus the banker scene is a highlight
    - the snow scene isn't on par with OHMSS or FYEO but it's still fun
    - Russian silo scene- the banter with M and Renard, and some of the camera angles here are great
    - I quite like the pipeline moment with Bond deciding to let it explode
    - the Maiden's tower has some good scenes with M/Renard and Bond/Elektra, 'I never miss' regarded as one of Brosnan's best moments of his tenure.

    I don't think I've seen TWINE in anyone's top 5. Where does it rank for you, @royale65?

    Well, funny you should mention that - 5/23!

    @fjdinardo - there's a TWINE appreciation thread knocking about here somewhere. It was my number one, back in the day.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    QBranch wrote:
    royale65 wrote:
    Now, for some real controversy; I love The World Is Not Enough
    Yeah, I quite like TWINE, but I think it sits in the middle of my rankings. It's got some great moments though:

    - PTS. Over-rated boat chase or not, one can't deny this plus the banker scene is a highlight
    - the snow scene isn't on par with OHMSS or FYEO but it's still fun
    - Russian silo scene- the banter with M and Renard, and some of the camera angles here are great
    - I quite like the pipeline moment with Bond deciding to let it explode
    - the Maiden's tower has some good scenes with M/Renard and Bond/Elektra, 'I never miss' regarded as one of Brosnan's best moments of his tenure.

    I don't think I've seen TWINE in anyone's top 5. Where does it rank for you, @royale65?

    Calvin Dyson actually has it listed as 4th. And TWINE was my first Bond so it must've been in my top five at some point, right? ;)
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    QBranch wrote:
    royale65 wrote:
    Now, for some real controversy; I love The World Is Not Enough
    Yeah, I quite like TWINE, but I think it sits in the middle of my rankings. It's got some great moments though:

    - PTS. Over-rated boat chase or not, one can't deny this plus the banker scene is a highlight
    - the snow scene isn't on par with OHMSS or FYEO but it's still fun
    - Russian silo scene- the banter with M and Renard, and some of the camera angles here are great
    - I quite like the pipeline moment with Bond deciding to let it explode
    - the Maiden's tower has some good scenes with M/Renard and Bond/Elektra, 'I never miss' regarded as one of Brosnan's best moments of his tenure.

    I don't think I've seen TWINE in anyone's top 5. Where does it rank for you, @royale65?

    I know @thelivingroyale really likes it, but I'm not sure where exactly he has it. I like TWINE well enough, but it's only in the middle of the pack for me. Elektra is a good character, some of the action is cool, and Brosnan has some of the best moments of his tenure. On the other hand, Renard is underused, Brosnan overacts sometimes, and Christmas is terrible.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    QBranch wrote:
    royale65 wrote:
    Now, for some real controversy; I love The World Is Not Enough
    Yeah, I quite like TWINE, but I think it sits in the middle of my rankings. It's got some great moments though:

    - PTS. Over-rated boat chase or not, one can't deny this plus the banker scene is a highlight
    - the snow scene isn't on par with OHMSS or FYEO but it's still fun
    - Russian silo scene- the banter with M and Renard, and some of the camera angles here are great
    - I quite like the pipeline moment with Bond deciding to let it explode
    - the Maiden's tower has some good scenes with M/Renard and Bond/Elektra, 'I never miss' regarded as one of Brosnan's best moments of his tenure.

    I don't think I've seen TWINE in anyone's top 5. Where does it rank for you, @royale65?

    I know @thelivingroyale really likes it, but I'm not sure where exactly he has it. I like TWINE well enough, but it's only in the middle of the pack for me. Elektra is a good character, some of the action is cool, and Brosnan has some of the best moments of his tenure. On the other hand, Renard is underused, Brosnan overacts sometimes, and Christmas is terrible.

    Even as one one TWINE's most staunch defenders, I have to admit these are true.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    royale65 wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    QBranch wrote:
    royale65 wrote:
    Now, for some real controversy; I love The World Is Not Enough
    Yeah, I quite like TWINE, but I think it sits in the middle of my rankings. It's got some great moments though:

    - PTS. Over-rated boat chase or not, one can't deny this plus the banker scene is a highlight
    - the snow scene isn't on par with OHMSS or FYEO but it's still fun
    - Russian silo scene- the banter with M and Renard, and some of the camera angles here are great
    - I quite like the pipeline moment with Bond deciding to let it explode
    - the Maiden's tower has some good scenes with M/Renard and Bond/Elektra, 'I never miss' regarded as one of Brosnan's best moments of his tenure.

    I don't think I've seen TWINE in anyone's top 5. Where does it rank for you, @royale65?

    I know @thelivingroyale really likes it, but I'm not sure where exactly he has it. I like TWINE well enough, but it's only in the middle of the pack for me. Elektra is a good character, some of the action is cool, and Brosnan has some of the best moments of his tenure. On the other hand, Renard is underused, Brosnan overacts sometimes, and Christmas is terrible.

    Even as one one TWINE's most staunch defenders, I have to admit these are true.

    I posted it earlier in the thread, but I think if Christmas Jones hadn't been a character, TWINE would be significantly improved. It would jump about 5 spaces (or possibly more) on my ranking.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,269
    I've always liked TWINE myself, and I even see it as a sort of forerunner of what they did in CR. It's probably not very fashionable to say that now in the Craig era, but it's what I believe anyhow.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    Yes, I mentioned it in the "Last Bond Movie You Saw" thread, that TWINE was a forerunner to CR. The first time I watched CR, I thought this is how to make a romance subplot in a Bond movie. After that TWINE felt diminished. Still, both CR and TWINE are in my top five. ;-)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,269
    royale65 wrote:
    Yes, I mentioned it in the "Last Bond Movie You Saw" thread, that TWINE was a forerunner to CR. The first time I watched CR, I thought this is how to make a romance subplot in a Bond movie. After that TWINE felt diminished. Still, both CR and TWINE are in my top five. ;-)

    Well, I'd not read that, but I'm glad to hear that we think alike! :)
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    While I don't hate TWINE or Brozza as Bond just imagine what Craig and Mendes could have made of it with a slightly more polished script?

    Could well have been top 3 material.
  • 00130013
    Posts: 1,817
    Barbara Broccoli said that Bond thought he had found Tracy in Elektra, but she really was Blofeld instead. But I didn't find it in the movie! I mean, obviously it's there, but it is a most underdeveloped idea. Also the thing with orbis non sufficit is not properly addressed (the movie has nothing to do with Bond's family).
    I don't hate TWINE as I don't really hate any Bond movie (even if DAD comes close to hatred) but it's very low on my ranking perhaps because it has a lot of potential and I feel they wasted it.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    I love TWINE despite its small flaws. Might even be in my top ten.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,269
    0013 wrote:
    Barbara Broccoli said that Bond thought he had found Tracy in Elektra, but she really was Blofeld instead. But I didn't find it in the movie! I mean, obviously it's there, but it is a most underdeveloped idea. Also the thing with orbis non sufficit is not properly addressed (the movie has nothing to do with Bond's family).
    I don't hate TWINE as I don't really hate any Bond movie (even if DAD comes close to hatred) but it's very low on my ranking perhaps because it has a lot of potential and I feel they wasted it.

    On the Tracy/Blofeld aspect of Elektra and Bond's relationship in the film - very interesting. I'd not heard that theory before, but I agree parts of the film were rather underdeveloped.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    Who the 'ell is Calvin Dyson?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,967
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    Who the 'ell is Calvin Dyson?

    He reviews the Bond films and was on this site for a small period of time. There's an appreciation thread for him, I believe. I've never really gotten into his videos, so I'm a bit lost on who he really is, aside from what I listed.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    Who the 'ell is Calvin Dyson?

    http://www.youtube.com/user/calvindyson

    He's also a member on this very forum.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    Murdock wrote:
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    Who the 'ell is Calvin Dyson?

    http://www.youtube.com/user/calvindyson

    He's also a member on this very forum.

    Do we know his user name?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited December 2013 Posts: 16,351
    WillyGalore wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    Who the 'ell is Calvin Dyson?

    http://www.youtube.com/user/calvindyson

    He's also a member on this very forum.

    Do we know his user name?

    @CalvinDyson
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    Murdock wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    Who the 'ell is Calvin Dyson?

    http://www.youtube.com/user/calvindyson

    He's also a member on this very forum.

    Do we know his user name?

    @CalvinDyson

    I should have guessed at that first before asking. X_X

    It's been a long day for me.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Live and Let Die was a pretty good Bond film.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    I'm not sure if this will apply, but...

    With the collective exception of Godfather I and II, Casino Royale is the greatest movie of all time.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Murdock wrote:
    Live and Let Die was a pretty good Bond film.

    I don't think that's too controversial. Some might love it and some might hate it, but I think it usually falls in the middle. I enjoy Solitaire, Tee Hee, the boat chase, and the title track, and I respect it for helping to keep the series going, but I've never been much of a fan of the voodoo plot or Dr. Kananga, and Rosie is, of course, intolerable.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited December 2013 Posts: 12,837
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    QBranch wrote:
    royale65 wrote:
    Now, for some real controversy; I love The World Is Not Enough
    Yeah, I quite like TWINE, but I think it sits in the middle of my rankings. It's got some great moments though:

    - PTS. Over-rated boat chase or not, one can't deny this plus the banker scene is a highlight
    - the snow scene isn't on par with OHMSS or FYEO but it's still fun
    - Russian silo scene- the banter with M and Renard, and some of the camera angles here are great
    - I quite like the pipeline moment with Bond deciding to let it explode
    - the Maiden's tower has some good scenes with M/Renard and Bond/Elektra, 'I never miss' regarded as one of Brosnan's best moments of his tenure.

    I don't think I've seen TWINE in anyone's top 5. Where does it rank for you, @royale65?

    I know @thelivingroyale really likes it, but I'm not sure where exactly he has it.

    Probably just outside my top 5, 6th or 7th.
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    Casino Royale is the greatest movie of all time.

    When you say greatest, do you mean your favourite or do you mean it's objectively the best film of all time?

    Speaking objectively now, I have seen plenty of films that are better than CR. I'd even argue that it's not objectively the best Bond film either (still think it's OHMSS).
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    QBranch wrote:
    royale65 wrote:
    Now, for some real controversy; I love The World Is Not Enough
    Yeah, I quite like TWINE, but I think it sits in the middle of my rankings. It's got some great moments though:

    - PTS. Over-rated boat chase or not, one can't deny this plus the banker scene is a highlight
    - the snow scene isn't on par with OHMSS or FYEO but it's still fun
    - Russian silo scene- the banter with M and Renard, and some of the camera angles here are great
    - I quite like the pipeline moment with Bond deciding to let it explode
    - the Maiden's tower has some good scenes with M/Renard and Bond/Elektra, 'I never miss' regarded as one of Brosnan's best moments of his tenure.

    I don't think I've seen TWINE in anyone's top 5. Where does it rank for you, @royale65?

    I know @thelivingroyale really likes it, but I'm not sure where exactly he has it.

    Probably just outside my top 5, 6th or 7th.
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    Casino Royale is the greatest movie of all time.

    When you say greatest, do you mean your favourite or do you mean it's objectively the best film of all time?

    Speaking objectively now, I have seen plenty of films that are better than CR. I'd even argue that it's not objectively the best Bond film either (still think it's OHMSS).

    It's slowly climbed my list past films such as 2001, Traffic, and most recently Chinatown. Godfather I and II (which tie for first place overall) are the only films in front of it.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    I'm not sure if this will apply, but...

    With the collective exception of Godfather I and II, Casino Royale is the greatest movie of all time.

    Pretty strong stuff, but not entirely absurd and indefensible. Hell, I rate OHMSS as one of my top 10 films.

  • 00130013
    Posts: 1,817
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    I'm not sure if this will apply, but...

    With the collective exception of Godfather I and II, Casino Royale is the greatest movie of all time.

    Well those 3 are on my top 10 favorite movies of all time.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited December 2013 Posts: 14,568
    Murdock wrote:
    Live and Let Die was a pretty good Bond film.
    Now this is a film I see all over the place in members rankings. I believe @Baltimore007 speaks very highly of it, as do I. It's one of the earliest Bond films I saw, and my praise for it has not changed since.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    QBranch wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Live and Let Die was a pretty good Bond film.
    Now this is a film I see all over the place in members rankings. I believe @Baltimore007 speaks very highly of it, as do I. It's one of the earliest Bond films I saw, and my praise for it has not changed since.
    I like it quite a bit. Rosie notwithstanding.
    :))
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,967
    chrisisall wrote:
    QBranch wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Live and Let Die was a pretty good Bond film.
    Now this is a film I see all over the place in members rankings. I believe @Baltimore007 speaks very highly of it, as do I. It's one of the earliest Bond films I saw, and my praise for it has not changed since.
    I like it quite a bit. Rosie notwithstanding.
    :))

    Don't lie, Rosie is your dream girl, especially because of her sparkling personality.
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