On Her Majesty's Secret Service- Very overrated?

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited December 2014 Posts: 17,789
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I get they are essential to the plot. It could have been less stupid and annoyingly done, though. Girl eating chicken saying "I love chicken" and dreaming "I love chicken" just kills it for me.

    Well...that was in the book I think.

    How about the black girl eating her 'native' allergic food- bananas!! That's wrong on so many levels. [-(
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I get they are essential to the plot. It could have been less stupid and annoyingly done, though. Girl eating chicken saying "I love chicken" and dreaming "I love chicken" just kills it for me.

    Well...that was in the book I think.

    How about the black girl eating her 'native' allergic food- bananas!! That's wrong on so many levels. [-(

    The way they did that in the film made it look slightly sexual
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    The way they did that in the film made it look slightly sexual
    That I had no problem with....
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    jobo wrote: »
    But why do we need to spend so much time on them? And why do we need all the silliness?

    Fleming managed to get the balance perfectly right. But in the film they goofed it up for some reason.

    Oh I prefer them in the novel, in fact I find the novel far superior. Thatsaid, I still find them essential to the story and they don't bother me in the movie.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    No one's gonna touch that racism bomb I mentioned, eh? Hard to deactivate I guess. ;)
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Yes, that always bothered me. Just as much as the "fetch my shoes" line from Dr. No!
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Well it is an obvious one, chrisisall.

    I get that some things are in the books, but I think discretion used with what is put in the films is sometimes a very good thing.

    Do I want Kerim's description in FRWL about how he sexually and every way abused that nameless woman (from the novel) in the film? No I do not. (I think she was nameless ... )

    Angels of Death could simply have been less stupid somehow, even with keeping the hypnosis plot.
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    No one's gonna touch that racism bomb I mentioned, eh? Hard to deactivate I guess. ;)

    I took it as sexual.
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    Well it is an obvious one, chrisisall.

    I get that some things are in the books, but I think discretion used with what is put in the films is sometimes a very good thing.

    Do I want Kerim's description in FRWL about how he sexually and every way abused that nameless woman (from the novel) in the film? No I do not. (I think she was nameless ... )

    Somehow I don't think Kerim's story would have made it past the censors - even when rules relaxed a bit in the 60s.
  • I wouldn't say the film itself is overrated. It's become a cult classic among the Bond movies. If anything, I would say Lazenby's Bond is criminally underrated.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited December 2014 Posts: 6,275
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    The Angels of Death are essential to the story. And the fact that they are all innocent, carefree barely out of teenage, a tad ditzy young women is central to emphasize the very sinister nature of Blofeld's plot.

    I love the Angels of Death...for once the "eye candy" is an integral plot point.

    And there is something very funny about Bond playing gay while more or less covertly seducing three women in Piz Gloria.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    echo wrote: »
    there is something very funny about Bond playing gay while more or less covertly seducing three women in Piz Gloria.
    As designed.
    ;))
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    echo wrote: »
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    The Angels of Death are essential to the story. And the fact that they are all innocent, carefree barely out of teenage, a tad ditzy young women is central to emphasize the very sinister nature of Blofeld's plot.

    I love the Angels of Death...for once the "eye candy" is an integral plot point.

    And there is something very funny about Bond playing gay while more or less covertly seducing three women in Piz Gloria.

    And if you'd want to unleash biological weapons, you might as well use as a mule someone who does not look suspicious, and actually is oblivious to the threat she carries. Angels of death indeed.
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    echo wrote: »
    <>
    Ludovico wrote: »
    The Angels of Death are essential to the story. And the fact that they are all innocent, carefree barely out of teenage, a tad ditzy young women is central to emphasize the very sinister nature of Blofeld's plot.

    I love the Angels of Death...for once the "eye candy" is an integral plot point.

    And there is something very funny about Bond playing gay while more or less covertly seducing three women in Piz Gloria.

    Yes, it's a decent enough plot. It could have been made a little more sinister I think, but overall not bad. The angels of death are a bit comedy, especially the girl from Morecombe Bay. But minor quibbles really. Great Bond movie. One of my top 5.
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    I think its a great plot, ahead of its time.
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    I must confess I'm not a fan of the "gold balls" conversation between Bond and Ruby. Crude and not particularly funny.
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    Yes Ruby is a bit 'Carry On'.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    "this never happened to the other guy" still just makes me die inside. Breaking the 4th wall what were they thinking. With that, right at the start of the film, immediately the audience were reminded Sean is gone and Lazenby was a new Bond. The audience did'nt want a new bond they went in hoping for seemless continuation of the prior films.
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    "this never happened to the other guy" still just makes me die inside. Breaking the 4th wall what were they thinking. With that, right at the start of the film, immediately the audience were reminded Sean is gone and Lazenby was a new Bond. The audience did'nt want a new bond they went in hoping for seemless continuation of the prior films.

    It doesn't bother me that much. Quite like it infact. I find Laz is pretty effortlessly cool right from the get go.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    A quote from Lazenby on working with Diana Rigg "Working with a professional actress, and you're not an actor and you’ve got the leading role, is a pain because she’s got to respect that you’ve got the leading part, but she doesn’t have to respect your acting."
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2014 Posts: 23,883
    "this never happened to the other guy" still just makes me die inside. Breaking the 4th wall what were they thinking. With that, right at the start of the film, immediately the audience were reminded Sean is gone and Lazenby was a new Bond. The audience did'nt want a new bond they went in hoping for seemless continuation of the prior films.

    I thought this was a great way of handling it. Everyone knew by then that Sean was gone... They were poking fun at themselves here which is a reasonable way to break in the new Bond.

    This whole pretitles bit is one of my favourites IMO and I think Lazenby had the best introduction as Bond after Connery in Dr. No. I personally love it all, from the time in the Aston lighting the cigarette, to seeing Tracy, to driving down to the beach to the fights to the 4th wall comment, all played to one of Barry's most ingenious scores.

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    I don't like it. Never have. I find it corny.
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    (The line I mean). When it comes to the fighting Laz handles himself well...even if his Bond James Bond delivery is weak.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    bondjames wrote: »
    "this never happened to the other guy" still just makes me die inside. Breaking the 4th wall what were they thinking. With that, right at the start of the film, immediately the audience were reminded Sean is gone and Lazenby was a new Bond. The audience did'nt want a new bond they went in hoping for seemless continuation of the prior films.

    I thought this was a great way of handling it. Everyone knew by then that Sean was gone... They were poking fun at themselves here which is a reasonable way to break in the new Bond.

    This whole pretitles bit is one of my favourites IMO and I think Lazenby had the best introduction as Bond after Connery in Dr. No. I personally love it all, from the time in the Aston lighting the cigarette, to seeing Tracy, to driving down to the beach to the fights to the 4th wall comment, all played to one of Barry's most ingenious scores.

    Its is a great introduction I need to give you that.

    Moore really did'nt have one he was in his Bathrobe when M appears at the door in LALD.
    Dalton - Parachutte drop on Gibraltar I believe - Never a fan of his introduction
    Brosnan - The dive off the Dam was decent, but was ruined due to a poor bit of post production cutting as the scene of how he gets the gate open is cut.
    Craig- in Casino his opening shot sitting in the dark is up there as well.

    Top 3 for introduction as Bond, I think I would go
    DR No
    Casino Royale
    OHMSS


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    Wow. Dalton's intro is surely one of the best. Cracking.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    The PTS is the only weak part of OHMSS.

    The story of the casting of Lazenby is an amazing one. He never could have pulled off those lies today, in the age of Google.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    OHMSS - I mostly don't like the PTS, but it's rather okay; the worst part is that line "the other fella". Stupid, slightly annoying, and breaking the wall was not good. I know they were trying to be clever, but it falls flat every time for me.

    Dalton had probably the best intro; what a great first look, and the whole PTS rocks.
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    Dalton indeed had the best intro! (After Connery... He is beyond that contest...)
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    I think Connery had the best intro. And among the best pts. But both Lazenby and Craig had great intro. Brosnan had a good one. Dalton too but it lacked something. Moore was the worst.
  • edited December 2014 Posts: 11,189
    I think my favourite part of the PTS is the long shot of Laz running from his car into the water. I don't like his "hmmm" when Tracey's car overtakes him though.
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