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You're on the way. Mou may be a jerk, but he's no fool. He knows his footie.
There are a lot of them here... And most og them have a peculiar, heated hatred for Argentine football as well, so the Messi/CR-discussion is basically pointless.
Nice to know there are some others here who actually watch Spanish football. The rest tend to have very strong opinions about it without actually watching it... ;)
Well, I'm Spanish, so no wonder ;)
It's just that Messi is better. That said, I'm not gonna discuss football here anymore. Back to good ol' Jimmy.
Interesting stats to be reasonable you can't separate them, though I would chose Ronaldo over Messi.
Balague: Ronaldo best in history
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10903927/balague-ronaldo-best-in-history
"The best goal scorer"...
Even if it was true (which is highly debatable as Messi has a higher goal ratio including the period they've played in Spain) it only amounts for one specific area of what football is about. Og you include other specifics into the equation, like assists, key passes, dribbles etc. Messi blows Ronaldo off the park.
If you wan't to find footballing personalities who have claimed Messi is the best ever (or at the very last currently best) the list is endless. Take some time on google or youtube and have a field day. But of course this one journalist, who happens to be an Espanyol supporter and who claims Ronaldo is the "best goal scorer", not the best 'footballer', is all the proof you need...
Personally, I would place Maradona above both of them, but there you go. Football has so many elements to it, that people can argue as much as they like. I prefer Bergkamp to those two as well, but that 's based on how many games I've seen him play compared to Messi/Ronaldo.
Quite. It's all personal taste. Putting aside my personal appreciation of Ronaldo, I am, however, astonished by his stats.
That's my problem with him, really. When they talk of him as the greatest ever, it's always about the stats. Not that they don't matter. Everyone knows there usually are some good stats behind the best footballers. Other elements in the game counts as well; movement with and without the ball. The way an individual works with his (or her) teammates on the field, etc.
Usually I prefer an holding or attacking midfielder when talking about the most talented footballers. A defender doesn't always need to be as attacking minded, and a striker/forward doesn't always have to be the first defender, which an attacking midfielder often can find himself/herself to be. Not taking anything away from other positions on the field, though. It's a team sport, football.
Stats or no stats he's one of the greatest to ever play the game.
Update: What an ending to that match! Horrible mistake by Lloris, clearing the ball straight into Toivonen's feet. Toivonen in his own half, sends the ball into the empty net. Did not see that coming!
You want Mbappe to Arsenal? Good luck with that... ;)
Don't think Arsenal has a chance of getting him unless the likes of Real Madrid cool their interest, which I doubt they will. Still, you have to have hope! :D
Who know ;)
An early yellow card for Scotland; will be interesting to see if that can have an impact on the game. I predict that Norway - Czech Republic will be more of a borefest, given the way Norway plays these days.
Have just ducked back in! Have I missed much? Lol!
No, hahah! Some shots by England, but nothing much to write about.
Update: Did not expect a 2-2 game out of this. Really good effort by Leigh Griffiths, scoring two brilliant free kicks under five minutes apart!
A good start by Norway in the start of the game, before the Czech Republic came more into the game as the first half progressed. Better defending could have avoided the 0-1 lead to the Czech Republic before half time. Second half started the same way, resulting in a clear penalty. With 1-1, Norway pressed for the second goal, allowing the Czech Republic few chances. Still, no more goals before the final whistle, in a game which Norway should have won. Good periods during the 90+ minutes, but the players need to be more clinical in the box.