"Back of the net!": The Football Thread

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    The villa fans at work will be quiet on Tuesday when we all return to work.
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    The villa fans at work will be quiet on Tuesday when we all return to work.

    Understandable! Fulham deserved that promotion to the PL, but it would be interesting to see Villa back too.
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    The villa fans at work will be quiet on Tuesday when we all return to work.

    Understandable! Fulham deserved that promotion to the PL, but it would be interesting to see Villa back too.

    So happy that PL games will be played at Craven Cottage again.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    To be fair at least half of these worse than Ludicrous Karius himself so chin up son.

    Number 4 must actually have been blind and number 1 a worthy winner, although Ludicrous did a carbon copy of that one but amazingly for him it only went for a corner.

    However the key difference is:

    1. All these fucknuts are playing in shitty African or Asian leagues (ironically the only place this spastic going to get a game now).

    2. They didn’t do it twice in the same match.

    3. I’ll wager that they weren’t playing in the final to crown the champions of their entire continent.

    I’m seriously struggling to come up with a worse keeper in history.

    Taibi? Appalling but was shrewdly binned by Fergie, a manager who knew what he was doing, before he could destroy their season.

    Higuita? I’m not sure he was actually that bad just like to piss around all the time.

    Oh yeah hang on I’ve just thought of someone who might be as bad - fucking Mignolet.

    The buck has to stop at the guy who assembles a squad with not one but two keepers as disgraceful as this. Been there how long now and done nothing to address it?

    Scoring goals galore might fool mugs like @001 but if we don’t have a new keeper (and with proven basic levels of competency) on the first day of the season then get your coat and piss off Jurgen because you clearly don’t understand the basics of how the game works. You can score 5 goals a game but if your foundations are built on sand you win sod all.
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    Latest reports are that Oblak hasn’t signed his new contract so the sky high release clause isn’t in play yet. Previous clause is £85m, which is not as mind blowing as £185m.
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    vzok wrote: »
    Latest reports are that Oblak hasn’t signed his new contract so the sky high release clause isn’t in play yet. Previous clause is £85m, which is not as mind blowing as £185m.

    Liverpool will have made a fantastic transfer window if they manage to sign Oblak. Of course, for Atlético to sell their keeper to an English club will probably make that release clause go up even further than £85m?

    Then again, stranger things that Liverpool managing to get a world class goalkeeper may happen this transfer window. According to David Ornstein and others, Arsenal are close to signing defender Sokratis Papastathopoulos from Dortmund. A defender! To Arsenal!
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    That's come out of nowhere
    vzok wrote: »
    Latest reports are that Oblak hasn’t signed his new contract so the sky high release clause isn’t in play yet. Previous clause is £85m, which is not as mind blowing as £185m.

    Liverpool will have made a fantastic transfer window if they manage to sign Oblak. Of course, for Atlético to sell their keeper to an English club will probably make that release clause go up even further than £85m?

    Then again, stranger things that Liverpool managing to get a world class goalkeeper may happen this transfer window. According to David Ornstein and others, Arsenal are close to signing defender Sokratis Papastathopoulos from Dortmund. A defender! To Arsenal!

    Is he any good? Never heard of him.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Just googled him and it doesn’t mention anything about him being any good in goal...?

    More brilliant work - let Emre go on a free and spunk most of our transfer budget on someone to replace him when the evidence would seem to indicate we should be looking for a fucking goalkeeper.
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    Just googled him and it doesn’t mention anything about him being any good in goal...?

    More brilliant work - let Emre go on a free and spunk most of our transfer budget on someone to replace him when the evidence would seem to indicate we should be looking for a fucking goalkeeper.


    Confirmed. Have to admire their efficiency.
  • edited May 2018 Posts: 17,753
    vzok wrote: »

    That's come out of nowhere
    vzok wrote: »
    Latest reports are that Oblak hasn’t signed his new contract so the sky high release clause isn’t in play yet. Previous clause is £85m, which is not as mind blowing as £185m.

    Liverpool will have made a fantastic transfer window if they manage to sign Oblak. Of course, for Atlético to sell their keeper to an English club will probably make that release clause go up even further than £85m?

    Then again, stranger things that Liverpool managing to get a world class goalkeeper may happen this transfer window. According to David Ornstein and others, Arsenal are close to signing defender Sokratis Papastathopoulos from Dortmund. A defender! To Arsenal!

    Is he any good? Never heard of him.

    He's quite good from what I've heard. Arsenal badly need new defenders, so I'll be happy if this goes through - and works out well.
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    According to Swedish newspaper Expressen Arsenal are targeting RB Lepizig winger Emil Forsberg, who is rated at around £47m. Uhm, like that's ever going to happen with the £50m Arsenal transfer budget… Also, why a winger? Arsenal have pleeeeenty of other issues to sort out.
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    vzok wrote: »

    That's come out of nowhere
    vzok wrote: »
    Latest reports are that Oblak hasn’t signed his new contract so the sky high release clause isn’t in play yet. Previous clause is £85m, which is not as mind blowing as £185m.

    Liverpool will have made a fantastic transfer window if they manage to sign Oblak. Of course, for Atlético to sell their keeper to an English club will probably make that release clause go up even further than £85m?

    Then again, stranger things that Liverpool managing to get a world class goalkeeper may happen this transfer window. According to David Ornstein and others, Arsenal are close to signing defender Sokratis Papastathopoulos from Dortmund. A defender! To Arsenal!

    Is he any good? Never heard of him.

    He's quite good from what I've heard. Arsenal badly need new defenders, so I'll be happy if this goes through - and works out well.
    ________
    According to Swedish newspaper Expressen Arsenal are targeting RB Lepizig winger Emil Forsberg, who is rated at around £47m. Uhm, like that's ever going to happen with the £50m Arsenal transfer budget… Also, why a winger? Arsenal have pleeeeenty of other issues to sort out.

    That can't be true about a £50m budget. That's not going to get Arsenal more than 2 players.
  • Posts: 17,753
    vzok wrote: »
    vzok wrote: »

    That's come out of nowhere
    vzok wrote: »
    Latest reports are that Oblak hasn’t signed his new contract so the sky high release clause isn’t in play yet. Previous clause is £85m, which is not as mind blowing as £185m.

    Liverpool will have made a fantastic transfer window if they manage to sign Oblak. Of course, for Atlético to sell their keeper to an English club will probably make that release clause go up even further than £85m?

    Then again, stranger things that Liverpool managing to get a world class goalkeeper may happen this transfer window. According to David Ornstein and others, Arsenal are close to signing defender Sokratis Papastathopoulos from Dortmund. A defender! To Arsenal!

    Is he any good? Never heard of him.

    He's quite good from what I've heard. Arsenal badly need new defenders, so I'll be happy if this goes through - and works out well.
    ________
    According to Swedish newspaper Expressen Arsenal are targeting RB Lepizig winger Emil Forsberg, who is rated at around £47m. Uhm, like that's ever going to happen with the £50m Arsenal transfer budget… Also, why a winger? Arsenal have pleeeeenty of other issues to sort out.

    That can't be true about a £50m budget. That's not going to get Arsenal more than 2 players.

    It's been rumoured to have been increased to £70m, but as this is Arsenal after all, the £50m transfer budget wouldn't surprise me one bit. Wouldn't surprise me if the only transfers made are two players - Sokratis Papastathopoulos (if what's written is correct), and Lichtsteiner as a free agent. That's classic Gunners.
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    Arsenal failed with a late attempt to sign Fabinho, according to Sky sources.
    The midfielder is admired by new Gunners boss Unai Emery, who tried to sign him at PSG. It is understood Arsenal made attempts to land the player over the weekend but he had already decided to join Liverpool.


    Again, classic Gunners!
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Arsenal failed with a late attempt to sign Fabinho, according to Sky sources.
    The midfielder is admired by new Gunners boss Unai Emery, who tried to sign him at PSG. It is understood Arsenal made attempts to land the player over the weekend but he had already decided to join Liverpool.


    Again, classic Gunners!
    Can't be that good then can he if Arsenal were in for him. Although they could be copying a tactic London FC try - you say you were in for a big money signing but another club beat you to it and it looks like you are serious players in the transfer market but you never actually have to spend any money.
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    Arsenal failed with a late attempt to sign Fabinho, according to Sky sources.
    The midfielder is admired by new Gunners boss Unai Emery, who tried to sign him at PSG. It is understood Arsenal made attempts to land the player over the weekend but he had already decided to join Liverpool.


    Again, classic Gunners!
    Can't be that good then can he if Arsenal were in for him. Although they could be copying a tactic London FC try - you say you were in for a big money signing but another club beat you to it and it looks like you are serious players in the transfer market but you never actually have to spend any money.

    I'm sure Arsenal have tried that tactic before, no doubt about it.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited May 2018 Posts: 9,117
    After someone mentioned the hapless Karius in another thread and being bored on nights I thought I'd give you all a treat and go back and do a season review and see how many times I pointed out the defensive frailties and goalkeeping vacuum that Jurgen seems unable to see. Not to just prove in a 'Needless to say I had the last laugh' way that I was right (I think we all know that that is always the case anyway don't we?), but merely to illustrate how blatant and repetitive the same issues have been and how pretty much seemingly nothing was done to resolve them resulting in Saturday's car crash of a game:

    August 2017
    Scraping 4th on the last day again will be a triumph given the lack of investment in the squad.
    Still need a top class keeper
    You think Liverpool will keep a clean sheet over 180 mins?

    Do I really need to send you a copy of Karius and Minger's best selling, stocking filler DVD '100 F**king Pitiful Goalkeeping Clangers That Stephen Hawking Would've Made A Better Fist Of Keeping Out'?
    No doubt cretin Jurgen will come out grinning like a village idiot to Geoff Shreeves that we were unlucky. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. You keep putting out a team with Minger in goal and clowns like Moreno in defence and you'll win fuck all. As we will this season.
    Did you see the clown a minute ago just drop a straight forward catch under no pressure that a toddler would have held?

    Why have we not come in for Butland, Pickford, Schmeicel, Heaton, Hart, Forster. No end of keepers who are an upgrade and we'd have got them for a paltry 20m at the start of the window.
    Its not the odd offside decision going against us that will stop us winning the title its Jurgen thinking defending is just a big hilarious joke he can laugh his way out of in every press conference after his hapless bunch of clowns have conceded another 3 goals and dropped more points.
    Well you seem to think its down to shit offside decisions that we're hemorrhaging points.

    I keep repeating it because no one seems to be interested in addressing it. And until we're not a joke at the back I'll keep saying it.
    Still no central defender of substance, sti;l saddled with two of the worst keepers in the league and still shipping goals for fun.

    September 2017
    At least Minger back in thank Christ; never thought I'd be glad to see him return but CERN have banned Karius and Klavan from playing together as in close proximity they reach critical mass and a wormhole opens up in our goal that sucks every particle in the universe into our net.
    I'm so disgusted at the lack of care about defending I actually want Utd to win the title now then maybe some of these pricks might realise there is only one philosophy and it's called winning football matches.

    Anyone who has the temerity to criticise Jose slap your medals on the table and 9 times out of 10 you'll be made to look a mug.
    Thankfully I have had to go back to work so unable to watch Kevin Keegan in designer glasses wheel out his increasingly tiresome schtick laughing and joking with the reporter in the post match interview but I fear for my telly tonight when I watch MOTD because this has nothing to do with going down to 10 men and everything to do with him NOT BUYING ANY DEFENDERS.
    Shame there isn't some time during the season when you are allowed to bring in players to bolster you American beer weak defence. Kind of a window when you can make transfers. Could call it the 'transfer window' or something...?

    October 2017
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    There will be goals that is certain. Liverpool's defence will concede at least 3 as usual so it just comes down to the tried and trusted tactic of seeing how many Couthino can hit from 30 yards.
    'Bordering on embarrassing' - not my words. The words of Jon Champion. And remarkably he wasn't talking about our defence.

    Still, with Karius on the pitch I'll settle for a point from here.
    Like watching an instructional video on how not to defend.

    It's awful long way back from here against Spurs defence.
    To go into a season with a defence this appalling would be like a pilot doing the pre flight checks and realising two of the engines are out then just setting off down the runway anyway.
    I think the time has come to ask serious questions about Klopp.

    The dismal transfer business is one thing, and probably not entirely his fault, but his inability to set up a defence is getting out of hand.

    We are getting worse not better. Every manager knows how to set up against us so we find it hard to break them down and then you just wait to be gifted chances. He has absolutely no plan B and tactically he's as inflexible as Wenger.

    It's fashionable to laugh at Jose for parking the bus and getting a result but his CV and clean sheets speak for themselves.

    I couldn't give a toss about us being good going forward any more. Next game just park the bus, stop the rot and get a 0-0; just to prove that you know how to organise a defence. Because its not rocket science - people like Big Sam, Pulis and Dyche seem to manage it.

    It's staggering that a guy can take home wages at the top of his profession without the faintest idea of how to do one fundamental aspect of the job. Imagine an F1 engineer who could build an amazing chassis with a revolutionary areodynamics setup but forgot to put the wheels on. Or a professional composer who was hired to write the musical score for a multimillion dollar film franchise and just copied and pasted his score from the previous film (little bit of satire for you there).

    Our defence is worse now than under Brendan and Klopp's jokey schtick stopped being funny several months ago.

    The season is already over anyway as there is zero chance of us finishing above the two Manchester clubs, Chelsea and Spurs so time to concentrate on getting things right for next season. Let Cout go and come up with a clear and cohesive strategy how you are going to use the money to get the defence sorted and start implementing it in the Xmas window and the summer. If you can't do that then go.

    November 2017
    http://www.skysports.com/football/news/15117/10985307/liverpools-set-piece-problem-exposed-in-3-3-draw-with-watford

    That's nothing to do with any philosophy that's just basic training ground drilling of defenders that every coach aspiring for the top 4 should be able to do in their sleep.

    And that article was written on the first day of the season. Christ knows how many it is now. 2 more against Spurs spring to mind a couple of weeks ago just for starters.
    With the non investment in the defence your mate Salah can score 50 this season - I'm glad for you that that's enough to make you happy. But we still won't come anywhere near a trophy because while it transpires that you can win stuff with kids, you certainly cannot with pub defenders.
    Don't tell me about who they are going to buy next season or season 2025/26, tell me about who they bought THIS season to shore up the amount of goals we are hemorrhaging like the Tsarevich with an axe in his head. With 2 games a week now until Christmas, by Jan first we will very likely be about 7 or 8 points off 4th (forget 1st - that ship sailed when the transfer window slammed shut) so all we have to look forward to is the CL which you cannot win with a joke defence.
    Pissed a 3 goal lead up the wall. Pretty standard stuff.
    Ancelotti, Silva, Dyche, Rafa even Pulis and Big Sam - pretty much any manager in the league knows how to set a defence up better than this.

    I'm prepared to give him one last window because he has done a lot of good stuff but if he doesnt sort the defence in Jan then he can get his coat. This is not Brendan's team anymore he has had 4 windows and we are conceding more than ever.
    Moreno starts.

    A few days ago I called Klopp the Kraut Keegan. I realise now that was unfair. He's actually the Kraut Christian Gross.
    Our entire strategy seems to be hoping Salah can keep scoring at a higher rate than Minger and the rest ship them at the other end.

    December 2017
    Karius starts.

    It's going to be a long evening.
    Just in case people have seen it, or have forgotten, this article should be etched on the tombstone of our season (which was been over for months by the way):

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/06/jurgen-kloppthere-arent-five-better-centre-halves-already-have/

    Just coming out with something as ludicrous as that should see you banned for life from working in football as surely as if you had bummed your way through the under 11s shouldn't it?

    I'm looking round the pub now. There are 3 birds, 5 blokes in their late fifties, a group of 4 lads and me. And I'd say for sure there 5 better defenders in this f*****g room than Lovren and Klavan let alone the entire planet.
    Ok he was already lumbered with Lovren and Minger but he then managed to scour the farthest corners of the globe and unearth the only players who are actually shitter by discovering Karius and Klavvers so he's out of excuses with them.

    Jurgen is like the Indiana Jones of finding shit players.
    The thing about parking the bus is it only works if you don't defend like Liverpool.
    http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/10/liverpool-lost-points-winning-positions-jurgen-klopp-side-europe-7147747/

    That's why I criticise Klopp. The guy could be from Mars or from Bootle but it doesn't change the cold hard facts that he's not delivering. Sorry to be the one to highlight it but don't lash out at me because Liverpool's season is crumbling before your eyes and just because Klopp is an affable bloke doesn't change that.

    And incidentally I haven't seen him smile for quite a few weeks now unless it's after we have raped some accommodating side like West Ham or Spartak. He wasn't smiling after the Spurs game, or the Sevilla game, or the Chelsea game, or Everton yesterday. And those are just in the last month or so.

    I haven't been smiling since our shambles of a transfer window.

    That said Porto an eminently winnable fixture. Forget the league as we'll be lucky to finish 4th as it is and even when we do, as has been proven in the last window, we won't invest heavily. But as Rafa proved the CL is winnable with an average squad.

    Beat Porto and then get a decent draw and with the Anfield roar on a European night and a bit of luck who knows? If Djimi Traore can blag a CL winners medal maybe Moreno and Klavan can too?*

    *But probably not.
    Thing is Arsenal might as well not have even bothered turning up. It would still be 3-3. We just give away goals for free.

    It's staggering these two are contesting a CL place. Burnley got a serious chance of nipping in ahead of them.
    Get yourself down to Jurgen's for the most amazing Christmas deal:

    3 free goals and 1 point just for turning up

    Yes folks you read that right just turn up at your nearest Jurgen's Comedy Defending Emporium and pick up your free point along with a bonus of 3 goals for absolutely nothing. No fee, no hidden small print, no catches, you don't even have to be in the game at all - we're literally just giving them away.

    And no need to hurry because these offers will last all through the festive period and long past New Year.

    Free goals, free points, free salvation from being booed off we've got it all at Jurgen's so come on down and ask for the bloke with the joke shop glasses.
    Just hire Pulis on whatever wage he wants solely to work on the defence and we'll clean up. But Jurgen would rather be loyal and not damage the confidence of players like Karius, Moreno and Klavs than see us not be a laughing stock.

    The definition of insanity is playing Minger, Lovren, Klavan and Moreno over and over again and expecting different results.
    And until the keeper situation is addressed it's still fiddling while Rome burns.

    January 2018
    Agree with all of that (apart from always being positive! Minger and Karius are still going to get both barrels from me until we're rid of them)
    We are European royalty and whilst one of our players winning African player of the year is clearly enough to keep your trophy cabinet overflowing I couldn't give the slightest toss whilst we are still 18 points adrift and have the Chuckle Brothers fighting it out for number one in goal.
    BUY A FUCKING KEEPER YOU GERMAN CLOWN!
    Jurgen generously taking the heat off Wenger as a laughing stock.

    I don't know why it's so difficult:

    1. Take a wad of the Cout money to any club in Europe.
    2. Use said wad to buy a keeper even if you are paying over the odds.
    3. Tell Minger and Karius to never set foot in the city again.
    4. Don't concede as many points due to shit goalkeeping errors.

    Is that rocket science?
    The sooner you decide the situation is untenable and you have to leave the better son. If you could convince Karius to do the same all the better.
    I fail to be convinced there'd be any difference if Karius was replaced by a traffic cone.
    How much longer can a manager who has no concept of how to defend keep his job? Why is the guy three years in and we're now worse at the back than when he took over? The fact Minger still on the books let alone playing suggests managerial incompetence to me and the goals we ship seems to back it up. Why can Jurgen literally not see it?
    Two days to go and not a sniff of any business being done. Another stunning window by FSG.

    £75m spunked so the mathematically challenged think we're spending like the big boys but £146m has come in and our most naturally talented striker binned off the wage bill.

    So a tidy £70m has gone AWOL into some Yank pockets and we won't be seeing that again.

    Even if we spend a bit in the summer it won't be more than the £100m Sky money. All the gate money, commercial earnings and that £70m of Cout money disappearing into a black hole.

    AND STILL NO FUCKING KEEPER.

    And to think we joke at how badly Arsenal are run.

    February 2018
    No need to panic Spurs. Remember with Karius in goal we effectively start the match 3 goals down so now we only need 2 more for a point.
    Pretty standard stuff. We have to score 3 minimum to have a chance of winning. Harry slots the first pen and we lose 3-2.

    Jamie Redknapp bang on: Karius diabolical on the first.

    And even 2 mins too long to be able to see a game out. Every week same over and over again. I'm not even joking now - why not hire Pulis as defensive coach?
    It's worrying though that three seasons in he shows no sign of tailoring his approach. Last season we dropped off a cliff post New Year and the signs are starting to show again as yesterday from 65 mins every player looked like they were carrying a fridge on their backs. Except Karius of course who is just shite.
    Jesus - Karius not the worst keeper on the pitch!!! Never thought I'd stay that.

    March 2018
    we've pissed away our margin for error for when Karius throws one in. Probably going to need 3 to get anything from here.

    April 2018
    Despite the way the second half of the season has gone I would contend the way we threw points away at the start of the season, the idiocy of not stumping up the money for VVD in the summer and not buying a keeper worthy of the name were all poor and have cost us
    Pep needs to look closer to home before he starts blaming the ref. A keeper as shit as Karius and I can't even remember him having to make a serious save over the 180 mins. That's poor.

    May 2018
    But why can't we just be not as shit at the back?
    Klavan and Karius are perpetually in a coma, hence our narrow escape. If there had been 5 mins of stoppage time instead of 3 we'd be out now.
    The stupidity of not just upping our offer for VVD until Soton accepted in the summer and similar dithering over a keeper have seen too many points pissed down the drain.
    The same old defensive problems are still there and Salah would need to score about 100 goals to mask those.

    Should've comfortably finished 2nd and at the very least forced Real into having to raise their game to actually go and beat us but instead scraped 4th on the last day, were pathetic in both the cups and were humiliated in the CL final. Given the amount of goals we score you might consider that the problem isn't up top but possibly at the back? But if you're Jurgen just move on, our defence and goalkeeping is fine, there's nothing to see here.

    RIP Liverpool's season 2017-2018.

  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    To be fair at least half of these worse than Ludicrous Karius himself so chin up son.

    Number 4 must actually have been blind and number 1 a worthy winner, although Ludicrous did a carbon copy of that one but amazingly for him it only went for a corner.

    However the key difference is:

    1. All these fucknuts are playing in shitty African or Asian leagues (ironically the only place this spastic going to get a game now).

    2. They didn’t do it twice in the same match.

    3. I’ll wager that they weren’t playing in the final to crown the champions of their entire continent.

    I’m seriously struggling to come up with a worse keeper in history.

    Taibi? Appalling but was shrewdly binned by Fergie, a manager who knew what he was doing, before he could destroy their season.

    Higuita? I’m not sure he was actually that bad just like to piss around all the time.

    Oh yeah hang on I’ve just thought of someone who might be as bad - fucking Mignolet.

    The buck has to stop at the guy who assembles a squad with not one but two keepers as disgraceful as this. Been there how long now and done nothing to address it?

    Scoring goals galore might fool mugs like @001 but if we don’t have a new keeper (and with proven basic levels of competency) on the first day of the season then get your coat and piss off Jurgen because you clearly don’t understand the basics of how the game works. You can score 5 goals a game but if your foundations are built on sand you win sod all.

    If you fancy goalkeeping blunders, this is from the CL semi Real vs Bayern Munich:
    (up til then, German media actually suggested, Jogi Löw should nominate Sven Ureich for the World Cup squad, if Neuer does not get fit):



    And this one is from the Second German Bundesliga:


    And this one is a classic:
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
    edited May 2018 Posts: 1,329
    Ha ha wiz i can only conclude that Loris frequents the boards and you got to him.
    Btw ive just watched the match in full again for the 3rd time (because i like torturing myself) and its just as frustrating. Obviously salah going off changed the ascendancy but we were still in it and with mane in that type of mood we had a huge chance of number 6. Robertson was brilliant aswell. Dont think ill ever understand karius and them errors. Benzema is literally in his eyeline and he cant concentrate enough (in the champions league final) to not throw it at him? And the second? Appalling technique. He doesn't even need to jump and then proceeds to throw it in.
    Oh and am i the only person who after seeing the match 3 times and seeing all the footage and pictures, doesn't think that karius was genuinely crying!?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    DCisared wrote: »
    Btw ive just watched the match in full again for the 3rd time (because i like torturing myself) and its just as frustrating.
    Jesus Christ mate and I thought I was a masochist coming home from the pub and watching the 'high'lights on ITV straight after.
    DCisared wrote: »
    Obviously salah going off changed the ascendancy but we were still in it and with mane in that type of mood we had a huge chance of number 6.
    I think we struggled after he went off but then we'll never know if they had managed to get their heads together at half time and start again in the second half as the 1st goal goes straight in. Certainly at the time of the first goal I didn't feel like we were under the cosh in any way. Whether we would have gone on to win it is a different story. Especially when they had Bale coming off the bench and we had Solanke!

    But the bottom line is the lads never stood a chance to see if they could properly go toe to toe with Real as they had a guy undermining everything they did by throwing in goals left right and centre. Apart from killing us off this clown ruined the game for the neutral and turned what is the global showpiece club match into a bit of a joke that even Bale's acrobatics couldn't change.
    DCisared wrote: »
    Dont think ill ever understand karius and them errors. Benzema is literally in his eyeline and he cant concentrate enough (in the champions league final) to not throw it at him? And the second? Appalling technique. He doesn't even need to jump and then proceeds to throw it in.
    I still cannot decide which is the worst of the two. The first Benzema is right in front of him. Can he literally not see him? If he turned out to be blind it would explain a lot I suppose.

    The second has decent pace on it but never really moves in the air and I'm sure when I watched it at the time he clenches and unclenches his fists as if he is undecided what the best course of action is and that results in his hands being all over the shop. He is fragile at the best of times so the moment the first happened he had to be substituted as the second is a direct result of his head being gone (well I say that - even on a good day he's more than capable of doing something as bad as the second).

    On the Bale goal as well - I think that might be saveable if you are a world class keeper.
    DCisared wrote: »
    Oh and am i the only person who after seeing the match 3 times and seeing all the footage and pictures, doesn't think that karius was genuinely crying!?
    I'm not going to say that the guy isn't genuinely sorry for happened as I'm sure that's not true. Bottom line though is that he has never been good enough, has never even shown the slightest sign of why anyone might think he had the potential to play at the highest level, he's error prone, can't do the basics, has terrible technique and suffers from appalling lapses in concentration. But other than that I would say he's a pretty mediocre keeper.

    What will be unacceptable is if we keep him on the books because we don't want to crush the poor guy's confidence and ruin his career. We can't be sentimental. There are plenty of kids who don't quite make it and are callously booted from the academy at the age of 17. This mug has had a very good run of blagging being a top level footballer and it's time he was told the truth.

    Get your coat and piss off back to college and learn to become a plasterer or a tree surgeon or something. Your career in football is over son.

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    Still by laying on the ground at the end he was able to trap his head in his hands.
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    @TheWizardOfIce

    Jesus! You need to get a hobby...
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    WOW!
    Zinedine Zidane steps down as Real Madrid manager.
    https://metro.co.uk/2018/05/31/zinedine-zidane-steps-real-madrid-manager-7593827/
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    I actually tend to blame Ramos for the defeat. First he managed to get Salah off the pitch (even if he did not want to injure him seveely, he wanted to put him out of this match). And, yes, Karius made two unbelievable blunders. But German TV showed a scene shortly before Karius' first mistake, and it showed, that during a corner for Real, Ramos punched Karius in the head with his elbow. Again, I don't know, if that could serve as an explanation, but it again shows the dirty sort of play Ramos is infamous for. And he gets away with it in most cases, alhough he received 19 red cards throughout his career. The referee was very good, but atleast Ramos should g´have been shown a yellow card, and/or a second yellow card for his action against Karius.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    jobo wrote: »
    @TheWizardOfIce

    Jesus! You need to get a hobby...
    It's called evangelism. I'm like a Jehovah's Witness stood preaching on the street corner. No sod listens to them but they keep doing it anyway.

    The only difference is I'm actually right.
    I actually tend to blame Ramos for the defeat. First he managed to get Salah off the pitch (even if he did not want to injure him seveely, he wanted to put him out of this match). And, yes, Karius made two unbelievable blunders. But German TV showed a scene shortly before Karius' first mistake, and it showed, that during a corner for Real, Ramos punched Karius in the head with his elbow. Again, I don't know, if that could serve as an explanation, but it again shows the dirty sort of play Ramos is infamous for. And he gets away with it in most cases, alhough he received 19 red cards throughout his career. The referee was very good, but atleast Ramos should g´have been shown a yellow card, and/or a second yellow card for his action against Karius.
    Ramos a dirty bastard for sure but that's clutching at straws. There's clearly one person responsible for the defeat and it's not Karius.

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    @TheWizardOfIce

    You want to be hailed as a profet because you managed to notice the obvious fact and commonly stated opinion that Karius is not nearly good enough for a team of Liverpool's level? That is not evangelism. That's narcissism of Trumpian magnitude! ;))
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    jobo wrote: »
    @TheWizardOfIce

    You want to be hailed as a profet because you managed to notice the obvious fact and commonly stated opinion that Karius is not nearly good enough for a team of Liverpool's level? That is not evangelism. That's narcissism of Trumpian magnitude! ;))
    I don't want to be hailed as anything. I just want to support a team that doesn't have a registered paraplegic in goal.
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    jobo wrote: »
    @TheWizardOfIce

    You want to be hailed as a profet because you managed to notice the obvious fact and commonly stated opinion that Karius is not nearly good enough for a team of Liverpool's level? That is not evangelism. That's narcissism of Trumpian magnitude! ;))
    I don't want to be hailed as anything. I just want to support a team that doesn't have a registered paraplegic in goal.

    Be careful, you’re engaging with a Norweigian (insert alternative country here) Barca fan.
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