Would you like to see the return of JW Pepper in the Bond series?

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  • Posts: 1,082
    maybe they could bring in a character called "Nanny Papaya" , who acts as a MI6 Stress Relief agent, her job is solely to lift the spirits of a individual agent undergoing harsh times and stress, in this case bond, and she's sent to have sex with bond at his call and command, she eventually becomes known as P, im sure you can figure out why.

    P? Does that stand for panda or pancake?

    ;)
  • saunderssaunders Living in a world of avarice and deceit
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    I can't think of anything worse for the franchise than bringing back JW...well okay maybe if they announced that Skyfall was a direct sequel to DAD, that would be far worse, but even so lets keep the 'Pepper' and his particular brand of crass, juvenile humour where they belong in the distant past!
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    I think Pepper could skydive and land on Bond´s motorcycle in SF or another movie. There he´d be like "hot damn, boy" etc. The motorcycle should then do the spiral jump, aided by the loop sound, as a homage to TMWTGG. This is an alternative to the boat spiral jump and would also be done for real.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Some people said that Einstein was crazy too. A couple of decades later he was recognised as a genius. This means that later generations will realise how ingenius my opinions are. I am "before my time" so to speak.

    Einstein, though considered "out there", was still recognized for his intellect, even if people thought he'd gone off the deep end. You, on the other hand, will probably never be recognized for anything close to intellect, and more than likely will pass on before anyone even tries to decipher a message out of the manure you keep tossing around here.

    I sense a strong degree of jealousy in your post. :D

    Then you're the only one. I don't see any, nor did I feel any when I wrote it. My point was simply this: Einstein was a genius and will always be, you're a martyr for a cause no one but yourself believes in.
  • edited April 2012 Posts: 1,082
    Some people said that Einstein was crazy too. A couple of decades later he was recognised as a genius. This means that later generations will realise how ingenius my opinions are. I am "before my time" so to speak.

    Einstein, though considered "out there", was still recognized for his intellect, even if people thought he'd gone off the deep end. You, on the other hand, will probably never be recognized for anything close to intellect, and more than likely will pass on before anyone even tries to decipher a message out of the manure you keep tossing around here.

    I sense a strong degree of jealousy in your post. :D

    Then you're the only one. I don't see any, nor did I feel any when I wrote it. My point was simply this: Einstein was a genius and will always be, you're a martyr for a cause no one but yourself believes in.

    I didn´t sense any jealousy on your part, I was just teasing you.

  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Well then, that's where we stand, I see.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I think Pepper could skydive and land on Bond´s motorcycle in SF or another movie. There he´d be like "hot damn, boy" etc. The motorcycle should then do the spiral jump, aided by the loop sound, as a homage to TMWTGG. This is an alternative to the boat spiral jump and would also be done for real.

    Perhaps you should stick to the Leslie Nielsen type of Bond parodies, friend, since I can tell that's what you like. Meanwhile, I'll proudly stick to my 'Flemingian' perspective of good Bond stuff and surely there's no JW Pepper anywhere near the grand master's vision.

    Bringing in JW was a poor move on behalf of Hamilton. It practically demonstrates that the man needed to go back to film school. Hamilton wasted two potentially marvellous action sequences, one in LALD, the other one in TMWTGG, on a z-level character that instantly pulls you out of the moment, the action and Bond's perspective the minute he ends up on screen. Through Pepper, Hamilton keeps telling me to not enjoy the tremendous action but instead focus on an anti-Fleming character with no input in the story whatsoever and who's merely here for the sake of eliciting laughs from what so very few people - above the age of 14 - actually find such a stereotypical idiotic sheriff funny.

    They made Schumacher apologise for Batman and Robin. I suggest Hamilton apologises for Pepper while he still can.
  • edited April 2012 Posts: 1,082
    DarthDimi wrote:

    Perhaps you should stick to the Leslie Nielsen type of Bond parodies, friend, since I can tell that's what you like. Meanwhile, I'll proudly stick to my 'Flemingian' perspective of good Bond stuff and surely there's no JW Pepper anywhere near the grand master's vision.

    Perhaps I do, but I love Bond so I´m not going away. Don´t even try, nothing will make me leave the Bond films. Just because I like Moore´s films the most doesn´t mean that I should stick to something else, right? I´m still a Bond fan, even if I´m no Fleming purist.


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    DarthDimi wrote:

    Perhaps you should stick to the Leslie Nielsen type of Bond parodies, friend, since I can tell that's what you like. Meanwhile, I'll proudly stick to my 'Flemingian' perspective of good Bond stuff and surely there's no JW Pepper anywhere near the grand master's vision.

    Perhaps I do, but I love Bond so I´m not going away. Don´t even try, nothing will make me leave the Bond films. Just because I like Moore´s films the most doesn´t mean that I should stick to something else, right? I´m still a Bond fan, even if I´m no Fleming purist.


    He does have a point here.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited April 2012 Posts: 24,183
    DarthDimi wrote:

    Perhaps you should stick to the Leslie Nielsen type of Bond parodies, friend, since I can tell that's what you like. Meanwhile, I'll proudly stick to my 'Flemingian' perspective of good Bond stuff and surely there's no JW Pepper anywhere near the grand master's vision.

    Perhaps I do, but I love Bond so I´m not going away. Don´t even try, nothing will make me leave the Bond films. Just because I like Moore´s films the most doesn´t mean that I should stick to something else, right? I´m still a Bond fan, even if I´m no Fleming purist.


    He does have a point here.

    I don't think anyone should leave the Bond films and I don't think one has to be a Fleming purist to enjoy them. Also, I don't think all Roger Moore films are alike. Clearly, a film like FYEO wouldn't accept Pepper either. I have no problem with comedy by the way, but only when used well. For example, I don't mind Tourjansky, Kiel or even the Clown suit in OP (which I will in fact defend as part of the tension, not the opponent of it). I will however fight the idea of Pepper being the most brilliant move in the history of the Bond films. This abysmal character only hurt the two films that featured him. Besides, I will even defend Clifton James, whom I will acknowledge for playing the part very well. I mean, if you're going to have a character like Pepper, which I still think you shouldn't, you might as well bring in someone who can play him well.
    I think Pepper could skydive and land on Bond´s motorcycle in SF or another movie. There he´d be like "hot damn, boy" etc. The motorcycle should then do the spiral jump, aided by the loop sound, as a homage to TMWTGG. This is an alternative to the boat spiral jump and would also be done for real.

    Whether meant or not (and in the first case I will suggest you walk away from the Bonds) this is what inspired me to the Nielsen comment. Please think twice when you post hyperboles and then get serious over my direct reply to said hyperboles.

  • edited April 2012 Posts: 1,082
    DarthDimi is trying to turn me to the dark side, by making me give in to my anger. Not surprising, since he is a sith lord. ;)

    About the "hyperbole", I would like to see it in a Bond film as a reference to TMWTGG, just like Fields in oil was a clear reference to GF. :D

    And I see your point about walking away from Bond, but I am too far from redemption to leave the series. After all, I like 23 Bond films, think 1 is ok (CR54) and 1 pretty bad (CR67). I could watch The Naked Gun, but it could never be a substitute for a real Bond film. I´m gonna stick to this place like an unwanted bug, like it or not. :D :))
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Just to make things clear, I don't want you gone from here, @007RogerMoore.

    And yes, I am a Sith Lord. ;-)

    Also, the Fields reference to GF was terrible and unwanted, much like the Jinx reference to DN. In both cases, I call blasphemy.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Why would they reference TMWTGG? Moreso by bringing back a character that wasn't funny the first time around. GF, though not one of my favourite films in the cannon, is one of the more iconic Bonds, TMWTGG well.... isn't.
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    Why would they reference TMWTGG? Moreso by bringing back a character that wasn't funny the first time around. GF, though not one of my favourite films in the cannon, is one of the more iconic Bonds, TMWTGG well.... isn't.

    Cause TMWTGG is a masterpiece. Referencing TMWTGG would please (or tease) many fans. But it´s the the 50th anniversary, so referencing wouldn´t be bad.
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Just to make things clear, I don't want you gone from here, @007RogerMoore.
    We wouldn´t want that, would we?
    ;)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Why would they reference TMWTGG? Moreso by bringing back a character that wasn't funny the first time around. GF, though not one of my favourite films in the cannon, is one of the more iconic Bonds, TMWTGG well.... isn't.

    Cause TMWTGG is a masterpiece. Referencing TMWTGG would please (or tease) many fans. But it´s the the 50th anniversary, so referencing wouldn´t be bad.
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Just to make things clear, I don't want you gone from here, @007RogerMoore.
    We wouldn´t want that, would we?
    ;)

    No, TMWTGG is a masterpiece in your opinion! Please stop posting your opinion as general fact. And please stop posting it in every thread we have going. You sound like a broken record.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Broken, thrown away, repurchased, and broken again. He'll keep repeating and repeating until the day he dies. He assumes his opinion to be general fact because, well, he's a Moore Whoore, and Moore Whoores believe that Moore is God, Craig is sh*t, and Bond should be a stand-up comedian who rides around the street on gondolas, goes on racist adventures with a Southern sheriff who couldn't do his job to save his life, dresses up like a clown and gets scared of a stuffed tiger.
  • Posts: 1,082
    DarthDimi wrote:

    Why would they reference TMWTGG? Moreso by bringing back a character that wasn't funny the first time around. GF, though not one of my favourite films in the cannon, is one of the more iconic Bonds, TMWTGG well.... isn't.

    Cause TMWTGG is a masterpiece. Referencing TMWTGG would please (or tease) many fans. But it´s the the 50th anniversary, so referencing wouldn´t be bad.
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Just to make things clear, I don't want you gone from here, @007RogerMoore.
    We wouldn´t want that, would we?
    ;)

    No, TMWTGG is a masterpiece in your opinion! Please stop posting your opinion as general fact. And please stop posting it in every thread we have going. You sound like a broken record.

    Ok, is it allright if I add IMO? And of course repeat it at a lesser pace.
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    A broken Record... Hmmm, for some reason I picture this...

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    I would have to say no to Pepper returning to the series. I liked him in Live and Let Die, and his appearance there at least made some sense, even if the character was over-the-top. Bringing the character back for The Man With the Golden Gun, however, was a mistake and I think it would be a mistake to update the character and bring him into the rebooted series.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    A broken Record... Hmmm, for some reason I picture this...


    I have a hard time believing that Adult Swim aired that with the uncensored song.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Ok, is it allright if I add IMO? And of course repeat it at a lesser pace.

    It would certainly help to make our discussions more enjoyable, good sir. ;-) Thank you.
  • edited April 2012 Posts: 3,494
    Damn. Dimi just blew a gasket like one of Q's experimental models gone wrong. Not that I don't understand though...


    I'll repeat that both Sir Rog and Clifton James are both far too old to even be considered for an appearance, so I would guess it's being said in jest by RM007 and others. Those of us who remember Scashy know he would pretend to be totally serious and fight with everyone about premises as insane as two geriatics such as Moore or Pepper viably returning to their roles. I take these posts as a joke because I believe they are just that. They are looking for reactions such as these.

    On the matter of EON revisiting slapstick, gags, and comedic characters, the MW crowd isn't going to get that most fans don't want that. The public knows they can get their fix of Moonraker-like tomfoolery by going to see Austin Powers, and they don't want to see that for Bond. The one line quips made famous by Connery however will always be welcomed. You need to have some lighter moments in serious movies like these.
  • Posts: 1,082
    Broken, thrown away, repurchased, and broken again. He'll keep repeating and repeating until the day he dies. He assumes his opinion to be general fact because, well, he's a Moore Whoore, and Moore Whoores believe that Moore is God, Craig is sh*t, and Bond should be a stand-up comedian who rides around the street on gondolas, goes on racist adventures with a Southern sheriff who couldn't do his job to save his life, dresses up like a clown and gets scared of a stuffed tiger.

    The funny thing is that I don´t assume that my opinion is general fact. What I do assume is that it was understood here that if I say "TMWTGG is the best" it is an opinion, not a fact. But I guess I can try to clear up that all my posts are opinions, not facts, by adding IMO or something similar.

  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Broken, thrown away, repurchased, and broken again. He'll keep repeating and repeating until the day he dies. He assumes his opinion to be general fact because, well, he's a Moore Whoore, and Moore Whoores believe that Moore is God, Craig is sh*t, and Bond should be a stand-up comedian who rides around the street on gondolas, goes on racist adventures with a Southern sheriff who couldn't do his job to save his life, dresses up like a clown and gets scared of a stuffed tiger.

    The funny thing is that I don´t assume that my opinion is general fact. What I do assume is that it was understood here that if I say "TMWTGG is the best" it is an opinion, not a fact. But I guess I can try to clear up that all my posts are opinions, not facts, by adding IMO or something similar.

    Except you don't treat it like a simple opinion, and you constantly try to override our opinions by posting yours right away, do you literally have nothing better to do than post your opinion right after we do?
  • edited April 2012 Posts: 1,082
    Broken, thrown away, repurchased, and broken again. He'll keep repeating and repeating until the day he dies. He assumes his opinion to be general fact because, well, he's a Moore Whoore, and Moore Whoores believe that Moore is God, Craig is sh*t, and Bond should be a stand-up comedian who rides around the street on gondolas, goes on racist adventures with a Southern sheriff who couldn't do his job to save his life, dresses up like a clown and gets scared of a stuffed tiger.

    The funny thing is that I don´t assume that my opinion is general fact. What I do assume is that it was understood here that if I say "TMWTGG is the best" it is an opinion, not a fact. But I guess I can try to clear up that all my posts are opinions, not facts, by adding IMO or something similar.

    Except you don't treat it like a simple opinion, and you constantly try to override our opinions by posting yours right away, do you literally have nothing better to do than post your opinion right after we do?

    Sometimes not. When I don´t I just sit here and wait for your answers.
  • edited April 2012 Posts: 5,745
    I'd like to like you @007RogerMoore, but you don't make it easy.

    In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted".


    You post your opinion as fact, and then continue to do so after someone argues. Then when they get frustrated, you go on to say you were 'just playing'. It is indeed frustrating, because you push your opinions so deep your impossible to hold a mature argument with!

    In the end, we should all say "That is your opinion; here is mine. I, like many others disagree with you, but I'm sure many disagree with me. Good day sir." END. Focus on that last bit, and move on to further discussion. Yes, defend your opinions, but do it few times and make them count. Avoid insults and pressuring.

    I've managed to skim through 6 pages of this topic and only post a few responses, hinging off the detail of said specific posts. Its not hard reading and accepting someone's opinion; I just hate doing it 20 times on the same page.

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    My 2000th post. @-) What a good one, too
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  • Posts: 1,052
    Good ol' JW obviously won't be coming back but hey it's good to have a bit of a laugh and a joke about it?

    Perhaps all those with a strong hatred for Louisiana State Police's finest should seek counselling, apologies for the hurt this thread may have caused you.
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    Good ol' JW obviously won't be coming back but hey it's good to have a bit of a laugh and a joke about it?

    Perhaps all those with a strong hatred for Louisiana State Police's finest should seek counselling, apologies for the hurt this thread may have caused you.

    Precisely. He won´t come back, but we dream and joke about it.

    And JWESTBROOK, I was just playing. ;-)




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    And JWESTBROOK, I was just playing. ;-)

    I, nor anyone else, am not amused. 8-|
  • What happens in the Moore era STAYS in the Moore era. So my vote is a definite no.
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