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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    No one ever "owes" an apology. It either comes from the heart or not. Any apology given under pressure or duress is meaningless.

    This is true. Only fundamentalists think otherwise.
  • TokolosheTokoloshe Under your bed
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    Back on topic. How was the Moonraker centrifuge scene filmed? Was Roger actually in the one shown? His face is really messed up by the pressure, I'm just wondering what they actually did to create the effect.
  • They used compressed air to create that effect...so, as far as I know, they didn't put him through any great speed
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    They used compressed air to create that effect...so, as far as I know, they didn't put him through any great speed

    Spot on slow speed, sped up the recordings and used compressed air cans to simulate the G force. In a documentary somewhere from the 90's on YouTube.
  • edited September 2015 Posts: 553
    It was a very convincing effect I thought

    ...and he really sold it. He looked genuinely messed up when he got out
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    It was a very convincing effect I thought

    ...and he really sold it. He looked genuinely messed up when he got out

    Bond Gold mate. Perfectly executed.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    In CR, after Vesper leaves Bond in the restaurant, what does Bond realise that sends him after her?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    In CR, after Vesper leaves Bond in the restaurant, what does Bond realise that sends him after her?

    I've asked this before and I'm still not 100% sure on it. I think what clicks in Bond's head is that Mathis has no reason to be texting Vesper now that the job is done, and I think it's him realizing that Mathis is the traitor, and is sending Vesper into a trap.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited September 2015 Posts: 2,138
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    In CR, after Vesper leaves Bond in the restaurant, what does Bond realise that sends him after her?

    I've asked this before and I'm still not 100% sure on it. I think what clicks in Bond's head is that Mathis has no reason to be texting Vesper now that the job is done, and I think it's him realizing that Mathis is the traitor, and is sending Vesper into a trap.

    I al
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    In CR, after Vesper leaves Bond in the restaurant, what does Bond realise that sends him after her?

    I've asked this before and I'm still not 100% sure on it. I think what clicks in Bond's head is that Mathis has no reason to be texting Vesper now that the job is done, and I think it's him realizing that Mathis is the traitor, and is sending Vesper into a trap.

    I always understood it as Bond suspects someone tipped of Le Chiffre to either Bonds poker "tell" or what his hand was when Le Chiffre clears him out the first time around. Because Bond is convinced he has the beating of him but can't put his finger on why he lost. And when Vesper gets the text and leaves, it all comes together in his head. Mathis tipped of Le Chiffre thats why he lost the first pot of money, Mathis is in on it for a cut of the money. (which it turns out he was wrong and it was Vesper).

  • AntiLocqueBrakesAntiLocqueBrakes The edge
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    Corollary question: When did it become apparent that Mathis was not in on the scam at all?
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited September 2015 Posts: 2,138
    Corollary question: When did it become apparent that Mathis was not in on the scam at all?

    We do not see this. It happens between CR and QOS even though the films timelines are supposed to be hours apart. In that time Mathis has been to prison then released and the Government have bought him a villa. Its a major flaw unless the PTS in QOS takes place months before the rest of the events in the film. Mathis is only deemed innocent after the truth came out about Vesper.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I said it before and I say it again:

    Continuity problems is the biggest flaw in the Craig-era.
    I think EON has either no continuity department at all or very "capable" people there.
  • TokolosheTokoloshe Under your bed
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    There is an unknown amount of time between Bond finding Mr White's number and tracking him down to his villa.

    I think it's plausible that Mathis could have been questioned (no mention of prison anywhere)/and then given early retirement by the time Bond catches up with him a few months later.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Tokoloshe wrote: »
    There is an unknown amount of time between Bond finding Mr White's number and tracking him down to his villa.

    I think it's plausible that Mathis could have been questioned (no mention of prison anywhere)/and then given early retirement by the time Bond catches up with him a few months later.

    Exactly as I saw it.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited September 2015 Posts: 14,556
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    In CR, after Vesper leaves Bond in the restaurant, what does Bond realise that sends him after her?
    I've asked this before and I'm still not 100% sure on it. I think what clicks in Bond's head is that Mathis has no reason to be texting Vesper now that the job is done, and I think it's him realizing that Mathis is the traitor, and is sending Vesper into a trap.
    I al
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    In CR, after Vesper leaves Bond in the restaurant, what does Bond realise that sends him after her?
    I've asked this before and I'm still not 100% sure on it. I think what clicks in Bond's head is that Mathis has no reason to be texting Vesper now that the job is done, and I think it's him realizing that Mathis is the traitor, and is sending Vesper into a trap.

    I always understood it as Bond suspects someone tipped of Le Chiffre to either Bonds poker "tell" or what his hand was when Le Chiffre clears him out the first time around. Because Bond is convinced he has the beating of him but can't put his finger on why he lost. And when Vesper gets the text and leaves, it all comes together in his head. Mathis tipped of Le Chiffre thats why he lost the first pot of money, Mathis is in on it for a cut of the money. (which it turns out he was wrong and it was Vesper).
    That seems correct- the tell was... the tell, in a sense. What I don't understand is how LeChiffre knew about the implant in Bond's wrist. Surely Bond wouldn't tell Vesper- or even Mathis such a thing. But then again, Bond does indeed mention the implant to Vesper in Venice later on before she leaves for the bank, so you never know.

    Regarding the CR to QOS time gap, I agree that it is a bizarre one- it has been claimed as little as ten minutes (by Forster, IIRC) to two years later- that is, if we are to focus on the latest recorded date on Vesper's phone
    (4 August '06) and the date on Greene's Eco Planet invite (23 August '08).

    While we know continuity issues are scattered all throughout the series- harking back to the Connery era, I personally believe that either 1) the continuity department purposely do this to leave things ambiguous/keep the discussions circulating, or more likely 2) producing a film (especially of this stature) is so incredibly difficult, that there are bound to be flaws of all sorts despite the enormous effort and meticulous detail put in.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Tokoloshe wrote: »
    There is an unknown amount of time between Bond finding Mr White's number and tracking him down to his villa.

    I think it's plausible that Mathis could have been questioned (no mention of prison anywhere)/and then given early retirement by the time Bond catches up with him a few months later.
    Yeah, I also like to think that Bond and Vesper spent a couple of weeks in Venice before her betrayal, during which he recovered and decided to resign.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    Tokoloshe wrote: »
    There is an unknown amount of time between Bond finding Mr White's number and tracking him down to his villa.

    I think it's plausible that Mathis could have been questioned (no mention of prison anywhere)/and then given early retirement by the time Bond catches up with him a few months later.

    Your right

    Rene Mathis: This man had me kidnapped and tortured, and you serve him fine wine? Gemma: You only buy cheap wine.


  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    In CR, after Vesper leaves Bond in the restaurant, what does Bond realise that sends him after her?
    I've asked this before and I'm still not 100% sure on it. I think what clicks in Bond's head is that Mathis has no reason to be texting Vesper now that the job is done, and I think it's him realizing that Mathis is the traitor, and is sending Vesper into a trap.
    I al
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    In CR, after Vesper leaves Bond in the restaurant, what does Bond realise that sends him after her?
    I've asked this before and I'm still not 100% sure on it. I think what clicks in Bond's head is that Mathis has no reason to be texting Vesper now that the job is done, and I think it's him realizing that Mathis is the traitor, and is sending Vesper into a trap.

    I always understood it as Bond suspects someone tipped of Le Chiffre to either Bonds poker "tell" or what his hand was when Le Chiffre clears him out the first time around. Because Bond is convinced he has the beating of him but can't put his finger on why he lost. And when Vesper gets the text and leaves, it all comes together in his head. Mathis tipped of Le Chiffre thats why he lost the first pot of money, Mathis is in on it for a cut of the money. (which it turns out he was wrong and it was Vesper).
    That seems correct- the tell was... the tell, in a sense. What I don't understand is how LeChiffre knew about the implant in Bond's wrist. Surely Bond wouldn't tell Vesper- or even Mathis such a thing. But then again, Bond does indeed mention the implant to Vesper in Venice later on before she leaves for the bank, so you never know.

    Regarding the CR to QOS time gap, I agree that it is a bizarre one- it has been claimed as little as ten minutes (by Forster, IIRC) to two years later- that is, if we are to focus on the latest recorded date on Vesper's phone
    (4 August '06) and the date on Greene's Eco Planet invite (23 August '08).

    While we know continuity issues are scattered all throughout the series- harking back to the Connery era, I personally believe that either 1) the continuity department purposely do this to leave things ambiguous/keep the discussions circulating, or more likely 2) producing a film (especially of this stature) is so incredibly difficult, that there are bound to be flaws of all sorts despite the enormous effort and meticulous detail put in.

    I think QOS budget and over running production the film suffered in the cutting process. I bet if they were to go back to the editing room and let someone else story board it QOS would come across a lot clearer and more people would enjoy it. I really enjoy QOS my only gripe is the Desert hotel finale its really hollow and empty. Lack atmosphere and real danger prior to the fire.
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    Regarding the tell in the poker game: Vesper told Le Chiffre that Bond knew his tell ("that twitch he has to hide when he's bluffing"), she disnt tell le Chiffre Bond's tell (how would she know?).That's why after than hand le Chiffre says "you must have thought I was bluffing."


    Regarding the timeline between CR and QoS: it could have taken Bond two years to catch Mr white. That would explain both the dates on the phone and the invite and the "ten minute gap" between the final scene of CR and the PTS of QoS.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited September 2015 Posts: 3,157
    QBranch wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    In CR, after Vesper leaves Bond in the restaurant, what does Bond realise that sends him after her?
    I've asked this before and I'm still not 100% sure on it. I think what clicks in Bond's head is that Mathis has no reason to be texting Vesper now that the job is done, and I think it's him realizing that Mathis is the traitor, and is sending Vesper into a trap.
    I al
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    In CR, after Vesper leaves Bond in the restaurant, what does Bond realise that sends him after her?
    I've asked this before and I'm still not 100% sure on it. I think what clicks in Bond's head is that Mathis has no reason to be texting Vesper now that the job is done, and I think it's him realizing that Mathis is the traitor, and is sending Vesper into a trap.

    I always understood it as Bond suspects someone tipped of Le Chiffre to either Bonds poker "tell" or what his hand was when Le Chiffre clears him out the first time around. Because Bond is convinced he has the beating of him but can't put his finger on why he lost. And when Vesper gets the text and leaves, it all comes together in his head. Mathis tipped of Le Chiffre thats why he lost the first pot of money, Mathis is in on it for a cut of the money. (which it turns out he was wrong and it was Vesper).
    That seems correct- the tell was... the tell, in a sense. What I don't understand is how LeChiffre knew about the implant in Bond's wrist. Surely Bond wouldn't tell Vesper- or even Mathis such a thing. But then again, Bond does indeed mention the implant to Vesper in Venice later on before she leaves for the bank, so you never know.

    Regarding the CR to QOS time gap, I agree that it is a bizarre one- it has been claimed as little as ten minutes (by Forster, IIRC) to two years later- that is, if we are to focus on the latest recorded date on Vesper's phone
    (4 August '06) and the date on Greene's Eco Planet invite (23 August '08).

    While we know continuity issues are scattered all throughout the series- harking back to the Connery era, I personally believe that either 1) the continuity department purposely do this to leave things ambiguous/keep the discussions circulating, or more likely 2) producing a film (especially of this stature) is so incredibly difficult, that there are bound to be flaws of all sorts despite the enormous effort and meticulous detail put in.

    Forster is clearly wrong, because no matter what Q Branch did to Bond's car, it's absolutely impossible to get from Lake Como to Siena in a few minutes.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    Sark wrote: »
    Regarding the tell in the poker game: Vesper told Le Chiffre that Bond knew his tell ("that twitch he has to hide when he's bluffing"), she disnt tell le Chiffre Bond's tell (how would she know?).That's why after than hand le Chiffre says "you must have thought I was bluffing."


    Regarding the timeline between CR and QoS: it could have taken Bond two years to catch Mr white. That would explain both the dates on the phone and the invite and the "ten minute gap" between the final scene of CR and the PTS of QoS.

    Spot on, now you have said it that was it!
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited September 2015 Posts: 14,556
    Sark wrote: »
    Regarding the timeline between CR and QoS: it could have taken Bond two years to catch Mr white. That would explain both the dates on the phone and the invite and the "ten minute gap" between the final scene of CR and the PTS of QoS.

    Spot on, now you have said it that was it!
    Oh yes- I completely forgot about that theory. It does seem to make the most sense.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Sark wrote: »
    Regarding the timeline between CR and QoS: it could have taken Bond two years to catch Mr white. That would explain both the dates on the phone and the invite and the "ten minute gap" between the final scene of CR and the PTS of QoS.

    Spot on, now you have said it that was it!
    Oh yes- I completely forgot about that theory. It does seem to make the most sense.

    FYI the official line from EON when speaking about QOS at its time of release

    The producers and writers of Quantum of Solace have stated that the action of the film picks up "almost an hour after the close of Casino Royale".
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Sark wrote: »
    Regarding the timeline between CR and QoS: it could have taken Bond two years to catch Mr white. That would explain both the dates on the phone and the invite and the "ten minute gap" between the final scene of CR and the PTS of QoS.

    Spot on, now you have said it that was it!
    Oh yes- I completely forgot about that theory. It does seem to make the most sense.

    FYI the official line from EON when speaking about QOS at its time of release

    The producers and writers of Quantum of Solace have stated that the action of the film picks up "almost an hour after the close of Casino Royale".
    Then Bond's car must have some gadget which makes him fly because it's not possible to drive from Lake Como to Siena in an hour, it takes at least four.
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    Walecs wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Sark wrote: »
    Regarding the timeline between CR and QoS: it could have taken Bond two years to catch Mr white. That would explain both the dates on the phone and the invite and the "ten minute gap" between the final scene of CR and the PTS of QoS.

    Spot on, now you have said it that was it!
    Oh yes- I completely forgot about that theory. It does seem to make the most sense.

    FYI the official line from EON when speaking about QOS at its time of release

    The producers and writers of Quantum of Solace have stated that the action of the film picks up "almost an hour after the close of Casino Royale".
    Then Bond's car must have some gadget which makes him fly because it's not possible to drive from Lake Como to Siena in an hour, it takes at least four.

    I wouldn't worry about it too much tbh...

    Greene and Bond fly into Bregenz airport afterall...
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited September 2015 Posts: 2,138
    Walecs wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Sark wrote: »
    Regarding the timeline between CR and QoS: it could have taken Bond two years to catch Mr white. That would explain both the dates on the phone and the invite and the "ten minute gap" between the final scene of CR and the PTS of QoS.

    Spot on, now you have said it that was it!
    Oh yes- I completely forgot about that theory. It does seem to make the most sense.

    FYI the official line from EON when speaking about QOS at its time of release

    The producers and writers of Quantum of Solace have stated that the action of the film picks up "almost an hour after the close of Casino Royale".
    Then Bond's car must have some gadget which makes him fly because it's not possible to drive from Lake Como to Siena in an hour, it takes at least four.

    Not to mention Bond has stopped changed out of his 3 piece Blue pin stripe Brioni with light Blue shirt in to a Tom Ford 2 piece lookalike with a White shirt. Not to mention Bond has redressed Mr White. But this was all due to changing the costume designer from Lindy Hemming from Casino Royale to Louise Frogley for Quantum of Solace.

    Even if its from where the action picks up, not Sienna it picks up in at the tunnel Malcesine, Verona. Which from White home Villa La Gaeta Lake Como is still according to Google directions a 3hrs 34 Mins drive with no traffic.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Walecs wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Sark wrote: »
    Regarding the timeline between CR and QoS: it could have taken Bond two years to catch Mr white. That would explain both the dates on the phone and the invite and the "ten minute gap" between the final scene of CR and the PTS of QoS.

    Spot on, now you have said it that was it!
    Oh yes- I completely forgot about that theory. It does seem to make the most sense.

    FYI the official line from EON when speaking about QOS at its time of release

    The producers and writers of Quantum of Solace have stated that the action of the film picks up "almost an hour after the close of Casino Royale".
    Then Bond's car must have some gadget which makes him fly because it's not possible to drive from Lake Como to Siena in an hour, it takes at least four.

    Not to mention Bond has stopped changed out of his 3 piece Blue pin stripe Brioni with light Blue shirt in to a Tom Ford 2 piece lookalike with a White shirt. Not to mention Bond has redressed Mr White. But this was all due to changing the costume designer from Lindy Hemming from Casino Royale to Louise Frogley for Quantum of Solace.

    Even if its from where the action picks up, not Sienna it picks up in at the tunnel Malcesine, Verona. Which from White home Villa La Gaeta Lake Como is still according to Google directions a 3hrs 34 Mins drive with no traffic.

    Lol. Got to love suspension of disbelief when discussing James Bond continuity.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I don't take the suit ordeal into account, though I'm not sure why Tom couldn't just make a suit for Bond that was similar in appearance. The way I see it, the very ending of CR takes place weeks/months after the finale, and QoS picks up right after that. The PTS of QoS can't come months before the events of the rest of the film, as Mr. White is still beaten and bruised looking when we see him at Tosca.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I don't take the suit ordeal into account, though I'm not sure why Tom couldn't just make a suit for Bond that was similar in appearance. The way I see it, the very ending of CR takes place weeks/months after the finale, and QoS picks up right after that. The PTS of QoS can't come months before the events of the rest of the film, as Mr. White is still beaten and bruised looking when we see him at Tosca.

    Very good point. I reckon there was more to the PTS originally that was chopped off, as it is a pretty long PTS as it is. Hey you can pick holes in any Bind movie. They are what they are.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,960
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I don't take the suit ordeal into account, though I'm not sure why Tom couldn't just make a suit for Bond that was similar in appearance. The way I see it, the very ending of CR takes place weeks/months after the finale, and QoS picks up right after that. The PTS of QoS can't come months before the events of the rest of the film, as Mr. White is still beaten and bruised looking when we see him at Tosca.

    Very good point. I reckon there was more to the PTS originally that was chopped off, as it is a pretty long PTS as it is. Hey you can pick holes in any Bind movie. They are what they are.

    There are definitely some inconsistencies that make the die-hard Bond fans who question it (such as us) that much more confused: the year listing on the fundraiser ticket invitation in QoS, the suit change, etc. What I just posted though is how I tend to see it.

    Another question I've asked before regarding CR (that I'm sure was answered and my brain failed to retain) is this: after the finale in CR, Bond hangs up with M and is about to put Vesper's bag away. He sees the seashell, and immediately decides to check the phone. Suddenly, a text seems to appear for Bond on Mr. White's whereabouts.

    1.) What did the seashells have to do with jogging Bond's memory?
    2.) Who sent the text? It appears like it should just be a note in the phone, but from what I recall, it looks like something sent specifically for Bond to read.
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