Pierce Brosnan or Daniel Craig (poll added)

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    chrisisall wrote:
    A good way to reply here escapes me. @-)
    I wouldn't bother. This person was known for his trolling behaviour a long time ago on the old MI6. Best if everyone ignores him.

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    JamesBond wrote:
    Fleming's Bond was NOT a man. Had a true man, such as Patrick Dalziel Job, encountered Fleming's Bond, he'd have smacked him across the face for being "a damn sissy waste of blood and organs". Fleming's Bond shows Fear, He Cries. He refuses to kill, he has empathy, none of these are the behavior of a man. Well, not a true man anyway, they are the behavior of a man-child. Something no agent of the British Secret service, even now, let alone the hard, post ww2 years of the 1950s when the novels were wrote, would ever be, unless he was some damn desk-jokey. Terence Young's Bond may have been a cliche, but he was not a cartoon, not a checkbox. It was Guy Hamilton , the director of Goldfinger who turned bond into a cartoon
    the Bond young created was a MAN. Agressive, fearless, and with no time for sissy emotions like tears. A man even dlaziel job probably would have described as "properly hard". Brosnan's Bond lived by those rules. I never so him get scared nor did i ever see tears. I saw him slap a girl for crying on him. 100% man. Hard as iron, fearless, aggressive. just like the commandos in 30AU who inspired the action side of the Bond persona. If there was a 00 division with the licence to kill. It would be a man like Brosnan's Bond you would find in it. Hard. No Empathy. Emotionless.a PROFESSIONAL. and promptly get smacked for there sickening, unenglish behavior and get told "grow up and don't be so pathetic" , Craig's Bond cries, so to me, he is a sickening little wimp
    a member of the typing pool. As he is unfit to call himself a Man in the same way Fleming's bond, to me, was unfit to call himself a man. Sean and Pierce played Bond as a cold blooded, emotionless, hard line Professional. A true man. And what a 00 agent, a man who is forced to kill, often brutally, civilians, in the name of king and country, should be like, a cold, emotionless, calculating, empathy bereft, stone. cold. Killer.

    Brozza's Bond was a total wimp, who you could cross over your knee and slap his bottom for being pathetic. Take a look at his `pain face'. Hilarious!!



    Craig's Bond is a real man. Someone who looks like he could kick ass. But I don't know why I am bothering replying to a person who has the intelligence capacity of a brussels sprout.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,189
    @jetsetwilly. I really don't think his "pain face" is that bad*. I've seen worse from him.

    If you what to play that game what about Craig's constant pout, funny run or occasional T-1000 walk? ;)

    *OK the one with Mr Kil is funny
  • @jetsetwilly

    really, care to look in the mirror first? i seem to remember a user called "jetswetwilly" who called anyone who disagreed with Craig's casting a "hater who should leave the site", and was responsible for a serious number of derailed threads. suggest you remember your own history before attacking that of another user. and if its any help, this is cobra speaking, not Pierce James Bond, who I am only helping because he is my pal. as I personally feel Craig and Barbara "pro feminine dominance" broccoli, have damaged the bond franchise to such an extent the only cure is to axe the franchise and replace it. toughness is not just appearance.

    toughness is not just appearance. It is ATTITUDE. a mental stance. Craig may have a decent-ish physique, even though the bones and tendons underneath seem to have been made out of stew going on the ridiculous number of injury reports i have seen. "craig may have a decent-ish physique, even though the bones and tendons underneath seem to have been made out of stew going on the ridiculous number of injury reports i have seen. he cries. he shows fear. NO real man shows these. As they are weak, it shows the enemy that you are a coward. he is about as manly as i am martian, if he is a real man, then, i am the president of the united states! Brosnan may not have been a very good actor, but he had the attitude! aggressive, fearless. And with no time for sissy emotions such as tears, Craig's bond cries and shows fear. he is a weak, cowardly child in terms of attitude to me, that says "TARGET!" Brosnan's attitude, said "don't mess, because I WILL Kill you". Granted, Daniel Craig is a better "actor" as he has a wider range of emotions, but, Bond is supposed to be an ACTION FILM! emotions and drama belong in females entertainment, NOT action films, media that is supposed to be aimed at macho males. And emotion makes macho males WALK OUT OF THE THEATRE! IN DISGUST! then, as bain pointed out, Craig is a hideous looking person with a girly run and a walk like someone has shoved a carrot up his jacksie! Pierce at least could walk well, ran like a man, and well, at least he looked like a human as well, not a cross between a cuttlefish and a soggy teabag! Sure, Brosnan wasn't a good actor, but, Bond is an ACTION FILM!! acting isn't required. only MOVEMENT and ATTITUDE! Brosnan had those set 100% to man! Sure, he may have pulled a laughable pain face, but he taunted electra, pushed her into the depth of her insanity, allowing time for zukovsky to strike.
    craig's bond, i feel, would have screamed in pain, burst into tears, and started calling for mommy before she had even turned the screw half a movement, his movements and attitude are those of a crying child, NOT a man! Brosnan had the attitude of a MAN, which is what you WANT in an action movie. If you want high drama and emotions, go watch a chick flick. stop ruining action movies for those few men, like myself and PJB who actually still have some testosterone in there blood and still have the ballocks to admit that we like MACHISMO in our movies.
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
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    Oh MI6, what's happening?
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    JamesBond wrote:
    @jetsetwilly

    really, care to look in the mirror first? i seem to remember a user called "jetswetwilly" who called anyone who disagreed with Craig's casting a "hater who should leave the site", and was responsible for a serious number of derailed threads. suggest you remember your own history before attacking that of another user. and if its any help, this is cobra speaking, not Pierce James Bond, who I am only helping because he is my pal. as I personally feel Craig and Barbara "pro feminine dominance" broccoli, have damaged the bond franchise to such an extent the only cure is to axe the franchise and replace it. toughness is not just appearance.

    toughness is not just appearance. It is ATTITUDE. a mental stance. Craig may have a decent-ish physique, even though the bones and tendons underneath seem to have been made out of stew going on the ridiculous number of injury reports i have seen. "craig may have a decent-ish physique, even though the bones and tendons underneath seem to have been made out of stew going on the ridiculous number of injury reports i have seen. he cries. he shows fear. NO real man shows these. As they are weak, it shows the enemy that you are a coward. he is about as manly as i am martian, if he is a real man, then, i am the president of the united states! Brosnan may not have been a very good actor, but he had the attitude! aggressive, fearless. And with no time for sissy emotions such as tears, Craig's bond cries and shows fear. he is a weak, cowardly child in terms of attitude to me, that says "TARGET!" Brosnan's attitude, said "don't mess, because I WILL Kill you". Granted, Daniel Craig is a better "actor" as he has a wider range of emotions, but, Bond is supposed to be an ACTION FILM! emotions and drama belong in females entertainment, NOT action films, media that is supposed to be aimed at macho males. And emotion makes macho males WALK OUT OF THE THEATRE! IN DISGUST! then, as bain pointed out, Craig is a hideous looking person with a girly run and a walk like someone has shoved a carrot up his jacksie! Pierce at least could walk well, ran like a man, and well, at least he looked like a human as well, not a cross between a cuttlefish and a soggy teabag! Sure, Brosnan wasn't a good actor, but, Bond is an ACTION FILM!! acting isn't required. only MOVEMENT and ATTITUDE! Brosnan had those set 100% to man! Sure, he may have pulled a laughable pain face, but he taunted electra, pushed her into the depth of her insanity, allowing time for zukovsky to strike.
    craig's bond, i feel, would have screamed in pain, burst into tears, and started calling for mommy before she had even turned the screw half a movement, his movements and attitude are those of a crying child, NOT a man! Brosnan had the attitude of a MAN, which is what you WANT in an action movie. If you want high drama and emotions, go watch a chick flick. stop ruining action movies for those few men, like myself and PJB who actually still have some testosterone in there blood and still have the ballocks to admit that we like MACHISMO in our movies.

    YAWWWN!! I-)
  • ah, childish sarcasm. the resort of the lowest form of mentality. i dont know why i bother, i've got better uses of my time that to deal with morons who fail to see the fact that craig's Crying, cowardly, portrayal of bond is SO OFFENSIVE that i have actually stopped watching James Bond Films Altogether, if you cannot see the damage he and Barbara broccoli are doing to the franchise. in the eyes of someone who still values manliness and professionalism from his heroes. then i seriously pity you, because you must be so blinkered by your "pro modern hollywoodized wimp" bias, that i will be suprised if you eve know what an action hero is anymore.
  • @JamesBond I'm all for pure action films with manly badasses (I don't want to embarass myself again but I love all the Rambo sequels and 2 n 3 are on my list of favourite films) but I think Bond has to be more than that. He has to have sort of a more conflicted side that doesn't like his job as well as being a total badass, and I do think Brosnan did that, just with more humour and gadgets than Dalton or Craig. Dalton did it best though.
  • thank you @thelivingroyale, just when i had nearly lost all hope in humanity, yeah, i love the rambo sequels too, i agree, the problem with craig is, he shows to much emotion, he focuses to much on the inner conflict and not enough on the job. no man can turn off his emotions, its impossible, but he can hide them, under humour and charisma
    which indeed, is what Brosnan did, which makes him, to me, more manly. as he acted like a professional, he hid his emotions behind humour. with Dalton, although i cannot forgive his Bond for going rogue in LTK (a film i see as non cannon, as. although i personally think it would have been an awesome Scwartzenegger film, was terrible as a Bond movie, no class and too vengeance driven). i will certainly agree he had the mix nailed in The Living Daylights, my personal fave (although PJB isn't fond), as he managed to inject some of Fleming's bond, his dissatisfaction and bitterness at the job, and his more kind hearted side, with the most touching romance of the franchise. but didnt loose any of the hard merlicessness, professionalism, or patriotism of terrance young's take on Bond. In that film, for me, he is the perfect bond. merciless, professional, totally without empathy for his enemies, emotionally reserved, patriotic, and objective. yet human in his gentle kindness to Kara, and with his dissatisfaction withe the job, and his use of "dark British humour" to keep his emotions in check, like the heroes of 30 AU. I feel craig makes the mistake of "taking an angle too far to an extreme" which ruins the balance. he focuses to much on emotion and drama, i don't know if that is his fault. or babs face palm inducing mis handling of the franchise, hiring Terrible script writers and drama directors who are just not cut out to make an action movie, but his over focus on emotion and drama, to me personally, makes him come across as a wimpy, "emo" character from a ladies romance feature, not as a hard boiled spy-hunter. of course, it could be argued, by some, although i don't agree personally, that Pierce went the other way, and was too cold and professional, and came across as a British Terminator. i don't agree, i think he also nailed the mix of stone cold killer, and human.
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    JamesBond wrote:
    ah, childish sarcasm. the resort of the lowest form of mentality. i dont know why i bother, i've got better uses of my time that to deal with morons who fail to see the fact that craig's Crying, cowardly, portrayal of bond is SO OFFENSIVE that i have actually stopped watching James Bond Films Altogether, if you cannot see the damage he and Barbara broccoli are doing to the franchise. in the eyes of someone who still values manliness and professionalism from his heroes. then i seriously pity you, because you must be so blinkered by your "pro modern hollywoodized wimp" bias, that i will be suprised if you eve know what an action hero is anymore.
    Brozza is a wimp, a pathetic feminine actor who gave no impression of being tough at all. Craig is far more masculine and tough as Bond.

    But I guess this shows the kind of weedy pathetic person you are. You like your men looking more feminine, like GQ models, who would rather put moisturiser on their face than go out and kick some ass.

    You stick to your pathetic, make-believe fantasy world of Brozza being a big, rough, tough guy. The men in white coats should be along shortly.....

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    I thought Brozza had a few good "tougher" moments. Electra's "I never miss" was good - very "Bondy" in my view. As was the "You first...you second....UPP!" line and the "me too" moment with Dr K.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 42
    JamesBond wrote:

    craig's bond, i feel, would have screamed in pain, burst into tears, and started calling for mommy before she had even turned the screw half a movement, his movements and attitude are those of a crying child, NOT a man! Brosnan had the attitude of a MAN, which is what you WANT in an action movie.

    Have you seen Casino Royale? Because, while I distinctly recall Craig's Bond having his crown jewels thwacked with a length of knotted rope, I don't recall him 'bursting into tears' or 'calling for mommy'.

    I am not a Brosnan-hater - far from it, GE is comfortably in my top ten - but I really wouldn't put him on a par with Chuck Norris.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    MrBond wrote:
    Oh MI6, what's happening?
    I quite dismally concur.
    :-<
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Brosnan is my second favourite Bond; Craig ties with Connery as my third.
    HOWEVER, I have no problem with people who like either Craig or Brosnan the best (or Moore, or Lazenby)... so I'm afraid I'm mainly a spectator in this slugfest. It's not wholly unamusing. >:)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I love all the Rambo sequels and 2 n 3 are on my list of favourite films
    I thought the last one was rather stellar myself. Bold of Sly to inject such realism into what had become pure Hollywood action.
    Sorry... not topic related... :\">
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 1,405
    Dalton or Craig? This one would take some time to figure out.
    But Brosnan or Craig? No brainer, really. Where was Brosnan as convincing, as brillant as Daniel Craig in the defibrilator scene in CR? Where was Brosnan as human as Craig in the shower scene with Vesper? Where was Brosnan as brutal as Craig in the stair fight in CR, or in the "first kill" sequence? Answer: never.

    Brosnan's best work in my honest opinion came from Dante's Peak. He never was a very good 007 for me.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Where was Brosnan as convincing, as brillant as Daniel Craig in the defibrilator scene in CR? Where was Brosnan as human as Craig in the shower scene with Vesper? Where was Brosnan as brutal as Craig in the stair fight in CR, or in the "first kill" sequence? Answer: never.
    Answer:
    1) The DAD heart stop.
    2) Mourning Paris in TLD.
    3) Killing Kaufman in TND; offing Elektra in TWINE.
    Your mileage apparently varies.

    ;)
  • I had a very interesting experience in a bookstore yesterday. I was looking for Bond on Set (it was sold out) and a young couple, maybe in their mid-twenties, were in the film section. The girl suddenly exclaimed "Oh my God! I LOVE James Bond!" Her and her boyfriend started looking at a huge book, perhaps an encyclopedia of Bond films. They were raving about the pictures from SF, and then excitedly talked about how amazing CR was. Then the boyfriend started flipping through the book (I couldn't see which one it was) and the guy said "Oh, have you ever seen any of the ones that he did?" The girl said no, she'd only seen bits and pieces of the old ones on TV but really didn't like that guy as he was too silly and jokey. The guy said, "Yeah those old ones were really over the top and the humour was really bad. In fact, he did one that was almost a sci-fi film. Don't see them; they're terrible." Then the girl said "Oh, those pictures are so cool. Is that the first guy?" and the boyfriend confirmed it was Connery. She loved the pictures from Connery's films and talked about how stylish they looked.

    Anyway, the guy the boyfriend was talking about was Brosnan. I thought for sure that he was talking about Roger Moore and Moonraker, but it turned out he was talking about Brosnan and DAD. Interesting that the Brosnan films are now considered "old" by some people! (well, I guess GE would have come out when that couple were 10).
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Anyway, the guy the boyfriend was talking about was Brosnan. I thought for sure that he was talking about Roger Moore and Moonraker, but it turned out he was talking about Brosnan and DAD.
    Like Snake Plissken said, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
    Great anecdote!!!! Thanks.

  • I think all said, Craig was a better Bond than Brosnan, although the Irishman was hardly worst ever or even a failure

    Craig looks fitter, meaner, has better hair, not so greasy or oily, looks more dependable and has less irritating moments, and doesn't come across as too americanized or smarmy. He's the more tangible Bond of the two and closer to Fleming's creation for sure, although I did have a slight issue with Bond over the passing of M at the very end of the latest release, but just goes to show that as far as anything goes, even James Bond is human
  • chrisisall wrote:
    Anyway, the guy the boyfriend was talking about was Brosnan. I thought for sure that he was talking about Roger Moore and Moonraker, but it turned out he was talking about Brosnan and DAD.
    Like Snake Plissken said, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
    Great anecdote!!!! Thanks.

    I found it interesting that for these two Craig IS Bond. However, when I was a kid everyone else my age thought that Moore WAS Bond and they couldn't believe that a "loser" like Connery had played the role! Especially with his embarrassing clothes and Brylcremed hair, and the fact that he didn't make "cool" jokes like Moore always did!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    However, when I was a kid everyone else my age thought that Moore WAS Bond and they couldn't believe that a "loser" like Connery had played the role! Especially with his embarrassing clothes and Brylcremed hair, and the fact that he didn't make "cool" jokes like Moore always did!
    Yeah, us too. Now they're revered period pieces.
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Where was Brosnan as convincing, as brillant as Daniel Craig in the defibrilator scene in CR? Where was Brosnan as human as Craig in the shower scene with Vesper? Where was Brosnan as brutal as Craig in the stair fight in CR, or in the "first kill" sequence? Answer: never.
    Answer:
    1) The DAD heart stop.
    2) Mourning Paris in TLD.
    3) Killing Kaufman in TND; offing Elektra in TWINE.
    Your mileage apparently varies.

    ;)

    Sorry mate, but just reading them moments in Brozza's film has put a smile on my face, at how ludicrous each one of them were. The DAD heart stop has to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen in a Bond movie. I take it you meant these as a joke when comparing them to Craig's moments.

  • The cardiac arrest scene in Die Another Day was a bit far fetched now that I think about it, and worked better with Craig in Royale

    Although the killing of Kaufman in Hamburg (I'm just a professional doing a job - Me too) was actually very well done and one of Brosnans best moments
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    The cardiac arrest scene in Die Another Day was a bit far fetched now that I think about it, and worked better with Craig in Royale

    Although the killing of Kaufman in Hamburg (I'm just a professional doing a job - Me too) was actually very well done and one of Brosnans best moments
    Yes, I ageee about Kaufman. That was probably Brozza's finest hour as Bond for me. The DAD scene is pure Austin Powers territory. Being tortured for 15 months, body totally knackered in hospital, then managing to fake a heart beat stopping, and then springing to life 2 seconds later from his hospital bed and beating up all the bad guys in the room.

    I think had this scene been written for the campy 1960's Batman TV series, it would have been rejected for being a little too silly. Austin Powers himself would have been just as embarrassed by it, I'm sure.

  • I did enjoy when Brosnan arrives at the hotel in Hong Kong dripping wet and unshaven in his attire, and asks for his usual room, that was actually quite amusing, and then with Peaceful Fountains of Desire, (I'm not that kind of customer), and revealing the Chinese intelligence agents..

    If any one moment of Brosnan's tenure had me grinning, it was once again that fight with Carver's henchmen in that room in Hamburg in Tomorrow Never Dies, it always amuses, as Carver does his speech on stage during the battle, inbetween punches and kicks and general mayhem
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I did enjoy when Brosnan arrives at the hotel in Hong Kong dripping wet and unshaven in his attire, and asks for his usual room, that was actually quite amusing, and then with Peaceful Fountains of Desire, (I'm not that kind of customer), and revealing the Chinese intelligence agents..

    If any one moment of Brosnan's tenure had me grinning, it was once again that fight with Carver's henchmen in that room in Hamburg in Tomorrow Never Dies, it always amuses, as Carver does his speech on stage during the battle, inbetween punches and kicks and general mayhem

    That scene in DAD is excellent. Such a casual walk, and he's getting all of the eyes.

    One of my favorite parts in TND is when Bond has Gupta hostage, and he takes out the lone guard and says:

    "Sorry about that, I've tuned out there for a moment, Elliot."
  • It was a surprise when Carver shot his own man and said 'it seems you've outlived your contract'

    Henry Gupta was a big help to Carver throughout that movie and he deserved that ? Seems a bit unfair that's all

    I also enjoyed the opening sequence at the arms fair when Bond has to escape with the nuclear weapons and the back seat driver bit. (Ask the admiral 'where' he'd like his Bombs delivered'..)

    Great opening, lousy film..

    Too late for me now, so it's a goodnight I-)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Being tortured for 15 months, body totally knackered in hospital, then managing to fake a heart beat stopping, and then springing to life 2 seconds later from his hospital bed and beating up all the bad guys in the room.

    I think had this scene been written for the campy 1960's Batman TV series, it would have been rejected for being a little too silly. Austin Powers himself would have been just as embarrassed by it, I'm sure.
    So, a Terminator 2 scene with an unstoppable Bond chasing his target at top speed through & over buildings is more believable.... :))
  • Did Bond stop his heart? I thought the scorpion venom stopped it and when he woke up he quickly saw it as a chance to escape.

    Even if he did it's no more far fetched than other moments in the series. Even the realistic films have unrealistic moments (the parachute into the sink hole bit in QOS).
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