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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    thelordflasheart wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    thelordflasheart wrote:
    Anyway, the guy the boyfriend was talking about was Brosnan. I thought for sure that he was talking about Roger Moore and Moonraker, but it turned out he was talking about Brosnan and DAD.
    Like Snake Plissken said, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
    Great anecdote!!!! Thanks.

    I found it interesting that for these two Craig IS Bond. However, when I was a kid everyone else my age thought that Moore WAS Bond and they couldn't believe that a "loser" like Connery had played the role! Especially with his embarrassing clothes and Brylcremed hair, and the fact that he didn't make "cool" jokes like Moore always did!

    Damn hippies.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    thelordflasheart wrote:
    I had a very interesting experience in a bookstore yesterday. I was looking for Bond on Set (it was sold out) and a young couple, maybe in their mid-twenties, were in the film section. The girl suddenly exclaimed "Oh my God! I LOVE James Bond!" Her and her boyfriend started looking at a huge book, perhaps an encyclopedia of Bond films. They were raving about the pictures from SF, and then excitedly talked about how amazing CR was. Then the boyfriend started flipping through the book (I couldn't see which one it was) and the guy said "Oh, have you ever seen any of the ones that he did?" The girl said no, she'd only seen bits and pieces of the old ones on TV but really didn't like that guy as he was too silly and jokey. The guy said, "Yeah those old ones were really over the top and the humour was really bad. In fact, he did one that was almost a sci-fi film. Don't see them; they're terrible." Then the girl said "Oh, those pictures are so cool. Is that the first guy?" and the boyfriend confirmed it was Connery. She loved the pictures from Connery's films and talked about how stylish they looked.

    Anyway, the guy the boyfriend was talking about was Brosnan. I thought for sure that he was talking about Roger Moore and Moonraker, but it turned out he was talking about Brosnan and DAD. Interesting that the Brosnan films are now considered "old" by some people! (well, I guess GE would have come out when that couple were 10).

    I was 10 when GE came out but the Brosnan era is still relatively recent and I wouldn't regard them as old per sa, especially seeing as DAD only came out 10 years ago.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
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    chrisisall wrote:
    jetsetwilly wrote:
    Being tortured for 15 months, body totally knackered in hospital, then managing to fake a heart beat stopping, and then springing to life 2 seconds later from his hospital bed and beating up all the bad guys in the room.

    I think had this scene been written for the campy 1960's Batman TV series, it would have been rejected for being a little too silly. Austin Powers himself would have been just as embarrassed by it, I'm sure.
    So, a Terminator 2 scene with an unstoppable Bond chasing his target at top speed through & over buildings is more believable.... :))
    Compared to DAD, yes.

  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Did Bond stop his heart? I thought the scorpion venom stopped it and when he woke up he quickly saw it as a chance to escape.

    Even if he did it's no more far fetched than other moments in the series. Even the realistic films have unrealistic moments (the parachute into the sink hole bit in QOS).

    That sinkhole scene ruined QoS for me.
  • identigraphidentigraph
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    Well it at least the Brosnan fans are remaining loyal and haven't just forgotten him because DC is the newer model!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    identigraph wrote:
    Well it at least the Brosnan fans are remaining loyal and haven't just forgotten him because DC is the newer model!

    As far as I'm concerned, Brosnan's
    Bond is alive & well in my DVD player.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    jetsetwilly wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Did Bond stop his heart? I thought the scorpion venom stopped it and when he woke up he quickly saw it as a chance to escape.

    Even if he did it's no more far fetched than other moments in the series. Even the realistic films have unrealistic moments (the parachute into the sink hole bit in QOS).

    That sinkhole scene ruined QoS for me.

    Really? I thought that was the least of the film's problems.
  • JimThompson45JimThompson45
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    jetsetwilly wrote:
    That sinkhole scene ruined QoS for me.
    I always think it's interesting to see where an individual's ability to suspend their disbelief stops.

  • AliAli
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    The sinkhole wouldn't have been as bad if he hadn't performed a H.A.L.O jump tied to the girl and simply rolled over and dusted himself off. Why did they not just have him open his chute and drift into it normally. Plus, of all the sinkholes, he just happens to land in the one that has evidence of Greene blocking the water?
  • JimThompson45JimThompson45
    edited November 2012 Posts: 803
    Ali wrote:
    The sinkhole wouldn't have been as bad if he hadn't performed a H.A.L.O jump tied to the girl and simply rolled over and dusted himself off. Why did they not just have him open his chute and drift into it normally. Plus, of all the sinkholes, he just happens to land in the one that has evidence of Greene blocking the water?
    LOL! That wasn't a HALO jump, mate.

    Brosan's Bond did a HALO jump in Tomorrow Never Dies, though.

  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited November 2012 Posts: 12,837
    jetsetwilly wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Did Bond stop his heart? I thought the scorpion venom stopped it and when he woke up he quickly saw it as a chance to escape.

    Even if he did it's no more far fetched than other moments in the series. Even the realistic films have unrealistic moments (the parachute into the sink hole bit in QOS).

    That sinkhole scene ruined QoS for me.

    I didn't like it either, not so much because of the parachute bit but because Bond just happens to land in the one that reveals the villians evil plan. I think that relies too much on luck and coincidence.

    But I could've got past that. It was the weak villian, muddled story and terrible editing in the action scenes that ruined QOS for me.
    identigraph wrote:
    Well it at least the Brosnan fans are remaining loyal and haven't just forgotten him because DC is the newer model!

    I've noticed lots of fans on here say that they used to like Brosnan during his era but they don't like him anymore. And lots of those people are Craig fans. Not sure if it's just because he's newer or if their tastes just changed. I'm a Brosnan fan for life though \m/
  • JimThompson45JimThompson45
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I didn't like it either, not so much because of the parachute bit but because Bond just happens to land in the one that reveals the villains evil plan. I think that relies too much on luck and coincidence.

    But I could've got past that. It was the weak villian's muddled story and terrible editing in the action scenes that ruined QOS for me.

    Like Fleming's novel themselves, Quantum Of Solace actually highlighted a problem/global concern about (I suspect) 10 years before it will reach the general public's consciousness.

    By the way, Baond and Camille didn't just drop on top of the water reserve; it was something they discovered as they were working their way out of the catacombs.

  • AliAli
    edited November 2012 Posts: 319
    JimThompson45 wrote:
    LOL! That wasn't a HALO jump, mate.

    True. I guess it was a FOLOCEL jump (Fall Out, Low Opening, Conveniently Easy Landing).... ;-)
  • AliAli
    edited November 2012 Posts: 319
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    It was the weak villian, muddled story and terrible editing in the action scenes that ruined QOS for me.

    I will still forgive the movie everything else for that first 4 minutes of Aston porn. In fact, I'd forgive it everything for the 4 seconds of the Aston having it's nuts ragged in a tunnel with no other sound. Pure, unadultered perfection. If Top Gear made a Bond film, it would be that 4 seconds stretched out over 2 hours....
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Ali wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    It was the weak villian, muddled story and terrible editing in the action scenes that ruined QOS for me.

    I will still forgive the movie everything else for that first 4 minutes of Aston porn. In fact, I'd forgive it everything for the 4 seconds of the Aston having it's nuts ragged in a tunnel with no other sound. Pure, unadultered perfection.

    I did love that first bit with the Aston, the shot over the lake, the engine roaring, epic. I also didn't mind the car chase, but I think it could've been much, much better with good editing.
    JimThompson45 wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I didn't like it either, not so much because of the parachute bit but because Bond just happens to land in the one that reveals the villains evil plan. I think that relies too much on luck and coincidence.

    But I could've got past that. It was the weak villian's muddled story and terrible editing in the action scenes that ruined QOS for me.

    Like Fleming's novel themselves, Quantum Of Solace actually highlighted a problem/global concern about (I suspect) 10 years before it will reach the general public's consciousness.

    By the way, Baond and Camille didn't just drop on top of the water reserve; it was something they discovered as they were working their way out of the catacombs.

    But it was a mess story wise imo. It didn't know if it's main focus was the Vesper arc or the water story. And half the time you can't tell what's going on.

    Greene might have had a different real world plan but I think he was still a terrible villian (with an even worse henchman).

    They discovered it as they were working their way out of the catacombs, which they wouldn't be in if the plane hadn't been destroyed. Like I said, I think that relies to much on luck.
  • JimThompson45JimThompson45
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    Ali wrote:
    JimThompson45 wrote:
    LOL! That wasn't a HALO jump, mate.

    True. I guess it was a FOLOCEL jump (Fall Out, Low Opening, Conveniently Easy Landing).... ;-)
    Spoken like a civilian, mate. ;)


  • JimThompson45JimThompson45
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    But it was a mess story wise imo. It didn't know if it's main focus was the Vesper arc or the water story. And half the time you can't tell what's going on.
    What parts confused you? I thought it was a fairly straightforward story.

  • Goldeneye95Goldeneye95
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    Pierce Bronsan hands down!
  • ChampionAlonsoChampionAlonso
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    Craig, by far.
  • actonsteveactonsteve
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    jetsetwilly wrote:
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    But it was a mess story wise imo. It didn't know if it's main focus was the Vesper arc or the water story. And half the time you can't tell what's going on.

    .

    I could. Very straightforward story.Perhaps your mind kept wandering off?




    Dreaming of Brosnan...

    :-))
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Dreaming of Brosnan...

    :-))

    I think Dench did that ;)
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    JimThompson45 wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    But it was a mess story wise imo. It didn't know if it's main focus was the Vesper arc or the water story. And half the time you can't tell what's going on.
    What parts confused you? I thought it was a fairly straightforward story.

    I couldn't keep track when I first saw it because I thought it was just too overly complex for it's own good. Here's the story summed up.

    Bond captures White, White escapes thanks to Mitchell, Bond kills Mitchell then thanks to evidence MI6 found has to go and pretend to be Slate, then he meets Camille who he's meant to kill because her boyfriend the bland boring villian Greene told Slate too. Camille lives and it turns out Greene is making a deal with an ex Bolivian general (who killed Camilles family) to take over the goverment in exchange for some desert. Meanwhile the Americans want some oil and Bond is upset about Vesper dying. Then Bond and Mathis go to Bolivia, they meet an MI6 agent who is later killed in a stupid GF reference, Mathis is killed (didn't Bond use him as a human shield for some reason?), and M bangs on about trust. Bond meets Leiter who tells him the evil plan is going down in the desert, Bond goes there with Camille and they stop the baddys but don't have sex, meanwhile Bond is still upset about Vesper. Then Bond brings the underdeveloped Vesper subplot to a close by finding her boyfriend and getting him arrested.

    I thought it was way too muddled and complex. SF had a much better story which was much more well told.
  • Mr_SterlingMr_Sterling
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    Honestly, QoS was not complex in any way. Perhaps the story didnt flow very well but we all know why that was. The plot, however, was reasonably simple...

    Bond gets a lead on 'The Organisation'.
    Goes after it.
    Comes across Greene and in the process of getting to the head of the Quantum snake, destroys Greene's eco-terrorism-extortion-plot thingy.
    Finally gets the information he wants from Greene.
    Exorcises his Vesper demons.
    "I never left".

    You see...Simple!!!
  • AliAli
    edited November 2012 Posts: 319
    JimThompson45 wrote:
    Spoken like a civilian, mate. ;)

    Absolutely. I see enough stress, emotions and action in my line of work without being in the military. Probably more blood and gore as well.... @-)
  • JimThompson45JimThompson45
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    Ali wrote:
    Absolutely. I see enough stress, emotions and action in my line of work without being in the military. Probably more blood and gore as well.... @-)
    If you're a first responder, I agree. I was a police officer before I joined the military, and I found that to be a more stressful job.

  • AliAli
    edited November 2012 Posts: 319
    Oh, nothing quite as grand, I deal with the animal side rather than human.. I'm a veterinarian, though I often think I'm patching up owners tattered mental state as much as they're pets physical injuries. I also have to deal with a lot of animal cruelty cases. My wife is a human nurse and has done her fair share of A&E work as well. Even then, I have friends that are paramedics and one that's in the traffic police. Even hearing their stories makes me feel queasy. Mind you, mine do the same to them so I guess we found our correct vocations!!! :P
  • JohnBarryFanJohnBarryFan
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    chrisisall wrote:
    JohnBarryFan wrote:
    Where was Brosnan as convincing, as brillant as Daniel Craig in the defibrilator scene in CR? Where was Brosnan as human as Craig in the shower scene with Vesper? Where was Brosnan as brutal as Craig in the stair fight in CR, or in the "first kill" sequence? Answer: never.
    Answer:
    1) The DAD heart stop.
    2) Mourning Paris in TLD.
    3) Killing Kaufman in TND; offing Elektra in TWINE.
    Your mileage apparently varies.

    ;)

    I admire your effort, but you're not even close.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Mr_Sterling wrote:
    Honestly, QoS was not complex in any way. Perhaps the story didnt flow very well but we all know why that was. The plot, however, was reasonably simple...

    Bond gets a lead on 'The Organisation'.
    Goes after it.
    Comes across Greene and in the process of getting to the head of the Quantum snake, destroys Greene's eco-terrorism-extortion-plot thingy.
    Finally gets the information he wants from Greene.
    Exorcises his Vesper demons.
    "I never left".

    You see...Simple!!!

    You missed half of it there and didn't even bother explaining Greene's plan. So I think my argument still stands here.
  • JimThompson45JimThompson45
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    You missed half of it there and didn't even bother explaining Greene's plan. So I think my argument still stands here.
    You mean the plan to control the water supply of a nation so his organization could effectively control that region of the world?

  • AliAli
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    If you were going to take over the world, or even South America, the last country you'd start with is Bolivia.....
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