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Natalaya and possibly Electra are the closest we had to 3D characters in Brosnan's era. Natalya especially was someone who had an ordinary job and had to rely on her own determination to survive when her life was threatened. She showed she had a personality, a vulnerable side and a sense of humour. She gave Bond a run for his money and saved his life at the end. She's just...so gorgeous aswell.
Electra was something out of a Greek tragedy.
Trevelyan was pretty good too. He had a backstory which, while a bit awkardly written, at least TRIED to examine how his family were betrayed by the British.
Onatopp wasn't really three-dimensional but Famkie played her very well. She was a fun OTT character.
There were other characters in Brosnan's run that had potential (Elliot Carver, Paris, Wai Lin and Miranda Frost) but they ended up falling victim to cheesiness.
It's what i'm good at. ;)
Dalton's two films closed out the decade and I have no complaints about them. LTK ranks in my top three.
@haserot: Well, I thought that Sir Robert King had a good back-story as a history with M, and I enjoyed the whole scenario about him and M not paying the ransom money, and Sir Robert taking over Elektra's mother's family oil, which lead to his death at the hands of his vengeful daughter. @BAIN123: All right, maybe not Xenia as much as the others, but she's up there, if not topping the list, in the ranks of Bond Bad Girls like Fiona Volpe and Naomi.
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Who wants M, or for that matter, any of her aquaintances to have 'back stories'?! Get back to basics, for goodness sakes!
And actually, Xenia was pathetic - a waste of a decent, good looking actress.
Watch Haphazard's analysis of her. I'm with him 100%.
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What made me laugh is Xenia Onatopp How does she go on an emotional journey? She's a cartoon character with a schoolboy name with a frankly vulgar way of despatching people. When she was having orgasms killing people I was cringing.
but her characterisation stops when we get to Cuba. She becomes extraneous. In fact, why did she follow him to Cuba her story is finished? Apart from Pierces' body...
She was also needed because of her satallite and computer expertise so there was a reason for her to go with him.
What's wrong with wanting to go because of Pierce's body ;) I'm a hetrosexual but even I'd follow him to Cuba :p
(For the record Isabella is a better actress than Carole Boquet too)
again - i stress, backstory does not make a character during his time onscreen 3 dimensional... almost every major character on screen has a backstory to them - that's just basic info, that often times has little to do with what is going on with the character at that moment... it's how said character progresses emotionally during the story that adds dimensions to them - not whether or not their backstory is interesting...
Sir Robert King's backstory is robust, and interwoven with the plot, because it has to be - he's on and off the screen faster than a television commercial.... just because his backstory is part of plot, doesn't mean he's a 3 dimensional character in the film...... his main purpose was to be the sacrificial lamb, and to be the initial reason 007 goes on his mission... thats essentially it......... 3 dimensional, and 'interesting' characters are not the same.... Elektra was the real 3 dimensional character of that film, no one else...
Oooh dear. Touch a nerve did I?
Carole Bouquet had a thirty year career in French films. Whats Isabella doing lateley?
Bain goes scampering off like a little pixie to IMBH with his cut and paste.
Alec Treveleyan had a backstory while Franz Sanchez had a character journey (a fall brought on by paranoia)
Theres a difference.
Carole obviously got better (and I've seen her in a couple of clips in French films - in one of which she was topless) but in FYEO she was a bit stiff at times (to me anyway).
exactly my point.... and brilliant example btw
Same thing can be applied to you and Brosnan..... just because you don't like Pierce doesn't mean everyone does.... if we look at the general public, the Brosnan haters and the Craig haters are in the minority.... no matter how much you say that Craig is the better Bond or the better actor than Brosnan, you simply cannot deny that both of them are hugely popular in the general audience. I'd say that if you did a world-wide survey on whether the general audience prefers Brosnan or Craig, the results would be huge for both, but also no clear winner. I'd say that Brosnan and Craig have more-or-less the same amount of love and popularity in the minds of the general audience.
Exactly. The hypocrisy for some people around here is stunning.
Well quite. (Cue Roger-esque eyebrow raise).
This.
It really is. Like afew weeks ago on the Dalton vs Craig thread, somebody accused me of throwing him Dalton peoples faces. But on other threads, you say something like Brosnan is better than Craig and you instantly get people telling you about how great Craig is and how crap Brosnan is. I like Craig but it's irritating how you can't say a bad word about him sometimes.
Exactly. They like to think that Craig is much more popular when really Brosnan is probably just as liked as Craig is.
Yep. Maybe Craig is the better actor, but both have the same immense popularity. A world-wide survey of the 'Brosnan or Craig' thread would give a tie. This website is certainly not a representation of reality. The general population loves Brosnan and Craig equally.
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Personally, I only really liked TLD out of the 80's. FYEO has some how been elevated to the "classic Moore" Bond when there was so much I recall cringing through when I first saw it, mostly due to Bibi, Thatcher's parrot and the silly PTS with the bald guy in the wheelchair. Bond shouldn't make me cringe, which is the reason why I don't much care for the Moore years. That said, I actually think Octopussy is the best Moore Bond of the 80's.
For the record, the same applies to Brosnan, who I always saw as a lightweight RM without the comic timing. But if I were to be nostalgic for the sake of it I would take Moore over Brosnan any day. At least his Bond was fun without feeling forced.
Yeah...and the Margret Thatcher stuff wasn't forced or unnatural at all ;)
I had a lot of fun watching Brosnan when I was younger. In fact just the other day I saw TND. Despite its flaws I still quite enjoyed it (and Brosnan in it). It also suddenly occured to me the other day as I was watching a bit of MR that, as much as I love Rog, I thought of him as Roger Moore first and James Bond second. Maybe its just the way Brosnan looks and moves on camera or maybe its because I grew up with Pierce but sometimes I just think "he's James Bond". With Rog its like "there's the awesome Roger Moore as James Bond".
For example, the best scene of TND.
I love the expressions Brosnan gives in this scene (like the little smiles and the calm but concerned stares) - esp when he kills Kaulfman at the end. How can you NOT say he's Bond.
Was watching FYEO this morning too. Its good, Moore's on good form but it feels a bit...bland... at times. While it does have some classy scenes there's a bit of a meat/potatoes style to it. I prefer OP. AT least it has a bit more of an exotic manner to it.
OP is the first Bond film I ever saw, I grew up in this decade... yeah, lots of good stuff here!
Well said sirs!