Quantum of Solace Ultimate/Extended Edition - Where is it?

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  • Venutius wrote: »
    Bet you're glad that Forster turned down EON's offer to direct Craig's third film, then, Max? ;)
    Would EON be able to create a QOS Redux without Forster's input or would the Directors' Guild of America step in on his behalf? Jimmy Page wanted to do a whole recut of Led Zeppelin's film for a reissue, but he said that the DGA warned him off in no uncertain terms - something about protecting the creative content of their members' work. Anyone know for sure how this works?

    The producers likely have more control over this. So, Daniel Craig and Judi Dench's inputs with such a project could give a lot more life to it. Forster would jump at the opportunity to come and work on this as a sort of redemption.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited February 2022 Posts: 3,158
    Thinking about it, Forster said that he was the one who made the decision to cut the Bond-kills-Mr. White scene at the end - does that mean that Forster, not EON, had final cut? Seems unlikely with what we know about EON keeping close control over the series, but...?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Bet you're glad that Forster turned down EON's offer to direct Craig's third film, then, Max? ;)
    Would EON be able to create a QOS Redux without Forster's input or would the Directors' Guild of America step in on his behalf? Jimmy Page wanted to do a whole recut of Led Zeppelin's film for a reissue, but he said that the DGA warned him off in no uncertain terms - something about protecting the creative content of their members' work. Anyone know for sure how this works?

    The producers likely have more control over this. So, Daniel Craig and Judi Dench's inputs with such a project could give a lot more life to it. Forster would jump at the opportunity to come and work on this as a sort of redemption.

    I am. The one of the only things that I don’t blame him for is for trying something different in his career. It was just at the wrong time it seems.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Bet you're glad that Forster turned down EON's offer to direct Craig's third film, then, Max? ;)
    Would EON be able to create a QOS Redux without Forster's input or would the Directors' Guild of America step in on his behalf? Jimmy Page wanted to do a whole recut of Led Zeppelin's film for a reissue, but he said that the DGA warned him off in no uncertain terms - something about protecting the creative content of their members' work. Anyone know for sure how this works?

    The producers likely have more control over this. So, Daniel Craig and Judi Dench's inputs with such a project could give a lot more life to it. Forster would jump at the opportunity to come and work on this as a sort of redemption.

    I am. The one of the only things that I don’t blame him for is for trying something different in his career. It was just at the wrong time it seems.

    I dont think it is fair to put the entirety of QoS's failings at the door of Forster.

    The project was disadvantaged as originally being only 18 months after CR (the original release was May 2008), EoN's then (and continued) lack of forward story planning, and then the writers strike all piling in.

    FWIW I quite like QoS but am not blind to its lesser elements.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited February 2022 Posts: 8,255
    I enjoy Quantum more every time that I watch it. Considering the impact of the writer’s strike I think it would have benefited had Campbell returned; his previous experience with Bond, particularly CR, would have made making adjustments during filming more fluid .
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I don't think I can ever enjoy QoS more than I do now, but then I rewatch it once more and realize I can. It's gold.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I don't think I can ever enjoy QoS more than I do now, but then I rewatch it once more and realize I can. It's gold.

    Sheer Gold!!!! :)>-
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    It's the only film I've seen in theaters five times AND that I would've enjoyed seeing a few more times too. On the impossible chance it ever gets a theatrical showing around me again, I'll be there day one.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Me, too. It's solid gold!
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    It's the only film I've seen in theaters five times AND that I would've enjoyed seeing a few more times too. On the impossible chance it ever gets a theatrical showing around me again, I'll be there day one.

    It’s interesting this. I understand it’s gritty and brutal. But it’s largely incoherent and illogical. Relentlessly so. There’s a good story in there some where I’m sure but it takes multiple watchings and filling in the gaps to make this one great imo
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    It's the only film I've seen in theaters five times AND that I would've enjoyed seeing a few more times too. On the impossible chance it ever gets a theatrical showing around me again, I'll be there day one.

    It’s interesting this. I understand it’s gritty and brutal. But it’s largely incoherent and illogical. Relentlessly so. There’s a good story in there some where I’m sure but it takes multiple watchings and filling in the gaps to make this one great imo

    It certainly took a few viewings for it all to click and make sense for me but I've never held that against it. I love how uniquely grounded the plot is and it's fun following all the connective threads throughout Bond's hurried journey.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited March 2022 Posts: 3,158
    I've always found QOS to be perfectly coherent and logical. Sorry, Matt! Or, at least, I think I have - there's so many comments along these lines that I'm starting to wonder if I actually have 'always' found QOS easy to follow or if it's just because I've seen it so many times and I've just forgotten that there was once a time when I had to struggle to work it out! :))
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Venutius wrote: »
    I've always found QOS to be perfectly coherent and logical. Sorry, Matt! Or, at least, I think I have - there's so many comments along these lines that I'm starting to wonder if I actually have 'always' found QOS easy to follow or if it's just because I've seen it so many times and I've just forgotten that there was once a time when I had to struggle to work it out! :))

    It's tough to remember how much I took in during those first few viewings nearly 14 years back, but yes, I've seen it so much since that I can't recall a time where it all didn't make sense to me.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Better editing and stronger henchmen alone would have helped immensely.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I love the henchmen, they're slimy and effective enough without having to stand out, and you don't get more underrated and under-appreciated than the complex mind of Elvis!

    The Craig era was rather weak when it comes to henchmen.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I just can’t buy Elvis as a henchman; now I’m not saying that a hulking Arian would have been better, only some who projected more malevolence.
    I don’t know why, but I keep thinking twins , two identical assassins.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Octopussy...Octopussy...
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    echo wrote: »
    Octopussy...Octopussy...

    Lol, perhaps a subliminal influence.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I just can’t buy Elvis as a henchman; now I’m not saying that a hulking Arian would have been better, only some who projected more malevolence.
    I don’t know why, but I keep thinking twins , two identical assassins.

    I just find him underrated in that he's treated like garbage or sidelined in literally every single shot he's in.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I just can’t buy Elvis as a henchman; now I’m not saying that a hulking Arian would have been better, only some who projected more malevolence.
    I don’t know why, but I keep thinking twins , two identical assassins.

    I just find him underrated in that he's treated like garbage or sidelined in literally every single shot he's in.

    I don’t see him as underrated, just completely ineffective and non-threatening who is eventually made into a buffoon when his hairpiece pops off.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited March 2022 Posts: 3,158
    talos7 wrote: »
    I don’t see him as underrated, just completely ineffective and non-threatening who is eventually made into a buffoon when his hairpiece pops off.
    Or when his pants get blown off in the explosion at the end! Elvis is completely ineffective - he's Greene's clueless cousin, who was rescued from the streets after Greene got money and power. I loved how Elvis was demonstrably useless yet swanned around like a bigshot - a deluded clod who the underlings would've just taken out and shot if he hadn't been close to Greene. He's like that little git at school who got away with murder because they had a hard mate.
    Elvis also demonstrates some of Greene's contradictions - he's useless, but he's kept around because he's Greene's only family. Yet, at the end, Greene has no compunction whatsoever about planting Elvis in Bond's way and leaving him to his fate, just to buy himself a few more seconds. I really loved how, even at that point, Elvis was so inept that Greene had to raise his arm for him and point the gun in the direction that Bond was coming from! A perfect illustration of just how out of his depth and genuinely pathetic, in the true sense, Elvis was.
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