Bond's Gaming Future(News, Speculation, Discussion)

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Well, if your expectations are utterly high waiting for something to blow you away with the "rich" elements given the material with the use of the iconic villains, expecting a mind blowing experience, you definitely are in the wrong audience, mate.
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
    edited March 2017 Posts: 2,635

    The pen(cil) is mightier than the sword.


    Great work!

    "Thanks to me, they were right!"

    Haha thank you sir! :D
    Well, if your expectations are utterly high waiting for something to blow you away with the "rich" elements given the material with the use of the iconic villains, expecting a mind blowing experience, you definitely are in the wrong audience, mate.

    Agreed. Not even Goldeneye Rogue Agent achieved that.

    We can always get a Bond game with a very linear/parallel storyline to its movie, but games also need to be original nowadays.
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
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    (Sorry for the double posting.)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    X3MSonicX wrote: »
    Well, if your expectations are utterly high waiting for something to blow you away with the "rich" elements given the material with the use of the iconic villains, expecting a mind blowing experience, you definitely are in the wrong audience, mate.

    Agreed. Not even Goldeneye Rogue Agent achieved that.

    We can always get a Bond game with a very linear/parallel storyline to its movie, but games also need to be original nowadays.
    007 Legends tried to be a downloadable content to GoldenEye 007: Reloaded, and tended to mashup the old gadgets of the Bond mania with a mix of the Craig timeline getting into it. It failed, obviously, due to its lazy storytelling. The tie-ins hardly ever made sense, but as an arcade game, it's an okay one. A lot better than Reloaded and the boring-to-death Rogue Agent, which was only a "shoot 'em up" game with poorly developed artificial intelligence. Legends definitely isn't the worst Bond game out there.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    octofinger wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Is it really a waste of the entire licence though? I mean around the time GoldenEye 64 came out their were GoldenEye themed pinball machines popping up. Maybe it's a shared licence thing?

    @Murdock The article referred to the license they signed as "exclusive" and said "It encompasses casino, lottery and social/digital gaming". If the wording is accurate, then an exclusive license pertaining to digital gaming means no Bond games as long as they hold the rights. Though, I do wonder if the wording of the article doesn't correctly portray the legal jargon of the deal. One can hope, but there doesn't sound like much wiggle room for interpretation.

    I suspect that something's been lost in translation here, gents, perhaps between British and American English. 'Gaming' in the USA is a polite/legalistic way of saying 'Gambling.' For instance, all casinos in Las Vegas are regulated by the Nevada Gaming Comission.

    So it's entirely possible that this company has been granted the exclusive 'gaming' licence, and that 'gaming' in this case means "gambling in its various forms" rather than "video games" per se.

    I would certainly hope that you're right. I'm an American, so I'm aware of the other possible uses of the word. Hopefully we will get some more news on this soon and it will clear things up. You do make a very good point and it's encouraging to think that Bond video gaming may not be as dead as we thought.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    octofinger wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Is it really a waste of the entire licence though? I mean around the time GoldenEye 64 came out their were GoldenEye themed pinball machines popping up. Maybe it's a shared licence thing?

    @Murdock The article referred to the license they signed as "exclusive" and said "It encompasses casino, lottery and social/digital gaming". If the wording is accurate, then an exclusive license pertaining to digital gaming means no Bond games as long as they hold the rights. Though, I do wonder if the wording of the article doesn't correctly portray the legal jargon of the deal. One can hope, but there doesn't sound like much wiggle room for interpretation.

    I suspect that something's been lost in translation here, gents, perhaps between British and American English. 'Gaming' in the USA is a polite/legalistic way of saying 'Gambling.' For instance, all casinos in Las Vegas are regulated by the Nevada Gaming Comission.

    So it's entirely possible that this company has been granted the exclusive 'gaming' licence, and that 'gaming' in this case means "gambling in its various forms" rather than "video games" per se.

    I would certainly hope that you're right. I'm an American, so I'm aware of the other possible uses of the word. Hopefully we will get some more news on this soon and it will clear things up. You do make a very good point and it's encouraging to think that Bond video gaming may not be as dead as we thought.

    @BMW_with_missiles, @octofinger is actually predicting that we're just getting more gambling titles, and no true to form video games, citing the use of "gaming" in the release as referring to the more casino-centric meaning of the term.
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    No no, just that the video game license isn't necessarily dead in the water if this announcement refers strictly to the 'gambling' license.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    octofinger wrote: »
    No no, just that the video game license isn't necessarily dead in the water if this announcement refers strictly to the 'gambling' license.

    Yes, that's the way I understood your post. If this deal only pertains to gambling, then it at least means that the video game license won't be tied up in the hands of a company that will only be using it to make slot machines. It would mean that EON were still free to sell the gaming license to an actual video game company, and this "gaming/gambling" license is only exclusive in the realm of gambling. The hope is that they don't have the exclusive rights to Bond video games, so that it's still up for grabs for an actual publisher to get ahold of it.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    So we're hypothesizing that they are separate licenses for gambling games and game games? I dunno.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    So we're hypothesizing that they are separate licenses for gambling games and game games? I dunno.

    I'm doubtful too, but I hope that is the case. I'd hate to have the gaming license tied up being wasted on slot machines.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    So you mean to say, 5 years ago, activiision could be making James Bond slot machines?
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    So you mean to say, 5 years ago, activiision could be making James Bond slot machines?

    I have no clue. But when the article says the license is exclusive and applies to "digital gaming", it sounds as though, at least in this case, the rights for all forms of electronic Bond gaming are sold as one. This would mean all Bond gaming rights are tied up in the hands of people who are only planing to make slot machines. It's entirely possible that, had a company wanted to make Bond slot machines 5 years ago, they would have had to get Activision's permission since they held Bond gaming rights.
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    So you mean to say, 5 years ago, activiision could be making James Bond slot machines?

    Don't knock peeps! I do actually have a James Bond slot machine! :D :-bd
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    So you mean to say, 5 years ago, activiision could be making James Bond slot machines?

    Don't knock peeps! I do actually have a James Bond slot machine! :D :-bd

    Does it dispense guns when you win?
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    It is saying something that while 007 legends was garbage I would gladly put down 60 bucks for 007 legends 2 (with Craig's bond in ThunderBall other levels based on OHMSS The Spy who Loved Me The living Daylights Tomorrow Never Dies and Spectre)

    And I'm not kidding and I think most bond fans would agree with me lol
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    It is saying something that while 007 legends was garbage I would gladly put down 60 bucks for 007 legends 2 (with Craig's bond in ThunderBall other levels based on OHMSS The Spy who Loved Me The living Daylights Tomorrow Never Dies and Spectre)

    And I'm not kidding and I think most bond fans would agree with me lol

    Same here. Heck, I bought a PS3 just to play BS and Legends. Of course, I've since bought many other games for it, but those games were why I purchased it.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    It is saying something that while 007 legends was garbage I would gladly put down 60 bucks for 007 legends 2 (with Craig's bond in ThunderBall other levels based on OHMSS The Spy who Loved Me The living Daylights Tomorrow Never Dies and Spectre)

    And I'm not kidding and I think most bond fans would agree with me lol

    Yeah unfortunately I don't think their will be another bond game their just isn't the market for one
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I'm joining the both of you, chaps. I'd rather have 007 Legends Vol. 2 than have a WoE or slot machines slapped onto my face.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I'm joining the both of you, chaps. I'd rather have 007 Legends Vol. 2 than have a WoE or slot machines slapped onto my face.

    Can't imagine why
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I'm joining the both of you, chaps. I'd rather have 007 Legends Vol. 2 than have a WoE or slot machines slapped onto my face.

    Can't imagine why
    You'd rather have World of Espionage over 007 Legends?
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I'm joining the both of you, chaps. I'd rather have 007 Legends Vol. 2 than have a WoE or slot machines slapped onto my face.

    Can't imagine why
    You'd rather have World of Espionage over 007 Legends?

    Of coarse the world of espionage is the greatest game I have ever played in my life,

    jk I downloaded it and deleted it within 1 minute of trying it out
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    It is saying something that while 007 legends was garbage I would gladly put down 60 bucks for 007 legends 2 (with Craig's bond in ThunderBall other levels based on OHMSS The Spy who Loved Me The living Daylights Tomorrow Never Dies and Spectre)

    And I'm not kidding and I think most bond fans would agree with me lol

    Yeah unfortunately I don't think their will be another bond game their just isn't the market for one

    There's a market for Bond games, they just have to actually be good. Otherwise, there's no incentive for the buyer, and as much as I love Bond, I'm not getting suckered by rushed yearly releases like 007 Legends. I actually got Legends as a gift once and just returned it because I had no interest and certainly wasn't going to support Activision in any way.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    It is saying something that while 007 legends was garbage I would gladly put down 60 bucks for 007 legends 2 (with Craig's bond in ThunderBall other levels based on OHMSS The Spy who Loved Me The living Daylights Tomorrow Never Dies and Spectre)

    And I'm not kidding and I think most bond fans would agree with me lol

    Yeah unfortunately I don't think their will be another bond game their just isn't the market for one

    There's a market for Bond games, they just have to actually be good. Otherwise, there's no incentive for the buyer, and as much as I love Bond, I'm not getting suckered by rushed yearly releases like 007 Legends. I actually got Legends as a gift once and just returned it because I had no interest and certainly wasn't going to support Activision in any way.

    Hahaha, I pre ordered it with birthday money, was so excited, and after a well I vowed to never pre order a bond game and to instead wait it out and buy it for 10 bucks 5 months later. They have won, I would pre order a bond game if they made a new one

    Also the gaming market in general is in the shits, their seeing veteran series like cod have dimisnishing sales year after year and no game is really flying high or not as many as their were maybe 5 years ago. This is largely because he younger generation some what including mine, prefers apps and iPads and bull shit to actually games, so if anything, we may see another bond app maybe better this time
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited March 2017 Posts: 28,694
    Risico007 wrote: »
    It is saying something that while 007 legends was garbage I would gladly put down 60 bucks for 007 legends 2 (with Craig's bond in ThunderBall other levels based on OHMSS The Spy who Loved Me The living Daylights Tomorrow Never Dies and Spectre)

    And I'm not kidding and I think most bond fans would agree with me lol

    Yeah unfortunately I don't think their will be another bond game their just isn't the market for one

    There's a market for Bond games, they just have to actually be good. Otherwise, there's no incentive for the buyer, and as much as I love Bond, I'm not getting suckered by rushed yearly releases like 007 Legends. I actually got Legends as a gift once and just returned it because I had no interest and certainly wasn't going to support Activision in any way.

    Hahaha, I pre ordered it with birthday money, was so excited, and after a well I vowed to never pre order a bond game and to instead wait it out and buy it for 10 bucks 5 months later. They have won, I would pre order a bond game if they made a new one

    Also the gaming market in general is in the shits, their seeing veteran series like cod have dimisnishing sales year after year and no game is really flying high or not as many as their were maybe 5 years ago. This is largely because he younger generation some what including mine, prefers apps and iPads and bull shit to actually games, so if anything, we may see another bond app maybe better this time

    I'd actually say the gaming industry and market is in a damn good place. The newest Sony and Microsoft models have had hearty competition of back and forth sales, and even the Nintendo Switch hasn't been a failure, when it deserved to be.

    Speaking as a Playstation gamer, I couldn't be happier. There's always triple-A exclusives coming, the deals you get for digital purchases motivate sales, and ultimately lead to a less pricy digital marketplace where consumers help to save the publishers and co. on heavy disc-based releases. The digital files can be a lot of GBs on these systems, but I think the pluses to it outweigh any negatives, and I haven't bought a disc based game for at least over a year, and only did so when I didn't want to wait past the initial release.

    With the creation and commercial push of VR and motion-based games, you'll see the industry swell in places again, just not as large as other hardware because the VR headset is a high-price item and the pool of consumers is more limited than it would be for consoles that always lower in price. Still, VR opens up new vistas for gaming and will go on to motivate more sales as the tech improves, alongside even stronger console hardware. We're in a very exciting time for games, probably the most exciting in a decade since the PS3 and 360 launched. A lot of risks are being taken in this generation, and the possibility of the hardware produces staggering results, and some of the best games I've ever played period.

    You'll have franchises stale, sure, but there's always creators willing to push new IPs. I'm glad COD is getting stagnant, as they've never been worth supporting and have been recycled for nearly a decade now. That's an example of smart consumerism, buyers who realize they're being fed shit and speak up with their wallets. We also need to continue speaking up about season passes and over-priced DLC as well, supporting companies that do it right and refusing to aid those that don't; that's the big villain of this generation of games. When money stops coming in, people have to change their approach. The problem is consumers aren't willing to be that selfless, and they'll pre-order anything that is put in front of them that they like, as you said you would with Bond.

    If a game isn't good, even if it has a character you like in it, I don't see why we should bother and pony up cash to get it. By doing that, you show Activision that you want more of that garbage, and then when they give more to you, you say you don't want it. Well, you kind of do; you paid for it.
  • GamesBond007GamesBond007 Golden Grotto
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Great post. I can't say I disagree. The gaming industry is probably in the healthiest place it's been in over a decade. Success on every level, from indie developers to big budget teams and everything in between.
  • GamesBond007GamesBond007 Golden Grotto
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    Out of curiosity, what is everyone's rankings of the Bond games thus far?

    Also, did anyone see the cancelled sequel to Bloodstone by Raven Software...

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=dbVbaTldEmQ
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Out of curiosity, what is everyone's rankings of the Bond games thus far?

    Also, did anyone see the cancelled sequel to Bloodstone by Raven Software...

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=dbVbaTldEmQ

    @GamesBond007 I actually hadn't seen that footage before. It's a shame it's never going to see the light of day.

    Bond game rankings can be found here;
    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/94/rank-the-bond-games-simple-list#latest
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Great post. I can't say I disagree. The gaming industry is probably in the healthiest place it's been in over a decade. Success on every level, from indie developers to big budget teams and everything in between.

    @GamerBond007, yes, the rise of indie titles is another great example of the industry learning from past mistakes and truly improving. With the push of Kickstarter campaigns and the like, games that never would've been supported as recent as 7 years ago are now an unlimited possibility with the right traction online and a community that demands your product. You also have the big name publishers and Sony and Microsoft throwing money the way of indie devs with ideas that need a little funding to let loose. When the games hit the marketplaces the lower prices entice buys, and word gets out about those kinds of titles. It's nice to see that indies get treated the same as AAA now, and also get a chance at awards in the same categories, even game of the year.
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    I just wish an indie developer would start building a bond game....

    Like the creators of the new Friday the 13th video game did.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited March 2017 Posts: 13,978
    I wish that I could join in with celebrating the gaming industry as it is today, but I don't care for where it is, and where it is going. If Sony made a stripped back PS4, did didn't have any of what I think of as surplus functions like online/streaming/online trophies etc... i'd buy it. The more that I see of all that, the less I want to move on to current gen consoles.
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