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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    It seems spy games are out of style at the moment. Maybe someone will make a Nightfire spiritual successor to make the genre big again.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Murdock wrote: »
    It seems spy games are out of style at the moment. Maybe someone will make a Nightfire spiritual successor to make the genre big again.
    This!
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Why are spy games in general seemingly dead sigh currently playing the original Splinter Cell thinking back on the days when we had Mission Impossible Operation Sumera a new Splinter cell every other year and a new bond game every year .... now well Uhm we had Alkeline’s gun last year which I liked but beyond that ....

    SC: Pandora Tomorrow is 1/3rd of my holy trinity of spy games. Mission Impossible: Operation Surma, while feeling a little on the budget side, was an underrated game. As for Alekhine's Gun, I have heard average at best things about it, yet I am still curious to try it out nonetheless.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Alekhine's Gun plays like the old Hitman games. Well, pretty much like every game in the series but Absolution. It's buggy at times and the content is rather uninspired for the most part. But, that's because the original developers had different concepts for the game, until the ones who took over in 2014 cut out all the fun parts and made the game resemble a poor Hitman ripoff.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Alekhine's Gun plays like the old Hitman games. Well, pretty much like every game in the series but Absolution. It's buggy at times and the content is rather uninspired for the most part. But, that's because the original developers had different concepts for the game, until the ones who took over in 2014 cut out all the fun parts and made the game resemble a poor Hitman ripoff.

    And that is the most recent spy game
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Alekhine's Gun plays like the old Hitman games. Well, pretty much like every game in the series but Absolution. It's buggy at times and the content is rather uninspired for the most part. But, that's because the original developers had different concepts for the game, until the ones who took over in 2014 cut out all the fun parts and made the game resemble a poor Hitman ripoff.

    And that is the most recent spy game
    In the shooter genre, yes.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Here's a footage from the original concept:
    https://www.facebook.com/007TheVideoGames/videos/506628086163788/

    Its cancellation mainly had to do with Brosnan's departure and the new direction Danjaq was heading into. It's why Royale started late and ended up getting a cancellation. They've tightened the freedom space with the license.

    @ClarkDevlin, that concept footage was great too. Love that shot where Bond comes down on parachute and tears all the gear off to reveal his dinner jacket as he does.

    The footage reminded me of a lot that appeared in Blood Stone's opening, and I don't know how conscious that was. Bond speaking with M about a mission before jumping off a plane, parachuting and landing on a yacht, Bond shooting his way through the yacht as the environment is torn to shred by helicopter bullets, then how he must jump in a smaller boat and race after the villain, bailing out of the boat the same exact way to get after Greco on land. Very interesting.
    Indeed, @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7. Half of this concept was used for the From Russia with Love prologue mission, and the other half was used for Blood Stone's PTS level. But, I'm guessing that's because the writer behind both games was Bruce Feirstein.

    Yes, Feirstein also wrote the adaptation script of FRWL to video game format.

    @ClarkDevlin, ahhh, that explains so much.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Here's a footage from the original concept:
    https://www.facebook.com/007TheVideoGames/videos/506628086163788/

    Its cancellation mainly had to do with Brosnan's departure and the new direction Danjaq was heading into. It's why Royale started late and ended up getting a cancellation. They've tightened the freedom space with the license.

    @ClarkDevlin, that concept footage was great too. Love that shot where Bond comes down on parachute and tears all the gear off to reveal his dinner jacket as he does.

    The footage reminded me of a lot that appeared in Blood Stone's opening, and I don't know how conscious that was. Bond speaking with M about a mission before jumping off a plane, parachuting and landing on a yacht, Bond shooting his way through the yacht as the environment is torn to shred by helicopter bullets, then how he must jump in a smaller boat and race after the villain, bailing out of the boat the same exact way to get after Greco on land. Very interesting.
    Indeed, @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7. Half of this concept was used for the From Russia with Love prologue mission, and the other half was used for Blood Stone's PTS level. But, I'm guessing that's because the writer behind both games was Bruce Feirstein.

    Yes, Feirstein also wrote the adaptation script of FRWL to video game format.

    @ClarkDevlin, ahhh, that explains so much.
    Indeed. The explosions and action-heavy sequences that flooded a verisimilitude spy novel's storyline, eh? ;)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I just came across this. Might be interesting. "And a certain Goldeneye 007 agent is also linked to the stealth/shooter"
    http://www.seganerds.com/2017/07/07/former-sega-ceo-bernie-stolar-teams-up-with-3d-realms-on-new-project/
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    My God! :O

    Brozza?!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Hmm, this Shadow Stalker could be one to watch, and it'd be cool if Pierce was going to do voice work for it.

    I hope it's a serious, ambitious third person spy game like Alpha Protocol was that offers the fun, variety of play and strategy we've been craving to see in a Bond game. I want to customize my traits, pick my gear and clothes before a mission, have different objectives and paths to tread to fulfill that mission in an open level and, ultimately, the feeling of being a spy.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Guys thoughts on 007 legends? I have only played The Bronsan games and from Russia With Love..
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    Guys thoughts on 007 legends? I have only played The Bronsan games and from Russia With Love..
    I seriously don't recommend it.
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    Hmm, this Shadow Stalker could be one to watch, and it'd be cool if Pierce was going to do voice work for it.

    I hope it's a serious, ambitious third person spy game like Alpha Protocol was that offers the fun, variety of play and strategy we've been craving to see in a Bond game. I want to customize my traits, pick my gear and clothes before a mission, have different objectives and paths to tread to fulfill that mission in an open level and, ultimately, the feeling of being a spy.
    If it's up to me, the spy will be wearing a suit throughout the whole game. :))
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited October 2017 Posts: 5,185
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    Guys thoughts on 007 legends? I have only played The Bronsan games and from Russia With Love..

    If you have not played any of the Craig games, go for Blood Stone first. That one is good. I also enjoyed CR for what it was. The actual Casino Royale levels in it are very good.
    i played Legends only a couple month ago for the first time, and i have to say it's a mess. No fun at all
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    Guys thoughts on 007 legends? I have only played The Bronsan games and from Russia With Love..
    I'd stick to Blood Stone for now, and if you have a PS2 and can find Quantum of Solace on the cheap you may like it (nice levels, decent gameplay and third person perspective). If you don't mind first person shooters, the PS3 version of Quantum might strike your fancy, but I personally find it watered down and inferior to the PS2 version, showing as that is to say.
    00Agent wrote: »
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    Guys thoughts on 007 legends? I have only played The Bronsan games and from Russia With Love..

    If you have not played any of the Craig games, go for Blood Stone first. That one is good. I also enjoyed CR for what it was. The actual Casino Royale levels in it are very good.
    i played Legends only a couple month ago for the first time, and i have to say it's a mess. No fun at all
    I got 007 Legends as a gift one year and elected to return it the second I saw it. Speaking as one of Craig's biggest fans, I don't even want to see him in the adventures of other Bonds. Especially when Dan isn't even doing the actual voice work.

    The grind Activision put their devs on resulted in such unpolished messes of games, and it's honestly a bloody miracle Blood Stone turned out as good as it did.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited October 2017 Posts: 5,185
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    I got 007 Legends as a gift one year and elected to return it the second I saw it. Speaking as one of Craig's biggest fans, I don't even want to see him in the adventures of other Bonds. Especially when Dan isn't even doing the actual voice work.
    And that game made zero sense because of that. I think that the developers thought that they could link all the movies somehow together by putting Daniel in all of them but they achived the exact opposite. Nothing feels right, its all over the place. Seeing Craig re-enact the final scene of OHMSS with Diana Riggs(or was it some lookalike? I don't even remember) in the car is just a cringy wtf Moment and not clever at all. And its like that with all the other episodes... Add to that the total insult that was the Skyfall Episode (the only actual Craig Movie, lol)
    wrote:
    The grind Activision put their devs on resulted in such unpolished messes of games, and it's honestly a bloody miracle Blood Stone turned out as good as it did.
    Very true. They killed the video game license right then and there and its still waiting for its rebirth
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I personally thought the individual cutscenes were handled well. Didn't mind Craig in that tragic after-the-wedding ending scene at all. Thing is... I didn't have a problem with Legends's concept. I have a problem with the way it was executed. All the films were tied together very poorly. Too damn poorly (flashbacks while one is having a near-death experience? What were they thinking?!) I say. Had it been really thought out with care, Legends could've turned out to be hell of a game...

    ...That is, if they ditched the COD gameplay, as well.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited October 2017 Posts: 5,185
    The concept always Sounded intriguing i must say, but they executed it very poorly. So much so that i don't think it can work in practice anymore. Maybe with a more capable developer. But mixing completely different movies and eras together like that, and make it believable is very hard to pull off. And I never felt a sense of accomplishment. You just go from Mission to Mission, without any feeling of progression. There is basically no story in the game. Things just happen but have no consequence.

    Yeah and the COD gameplay was just the finishing blow. Such poor taste.
    I hope Legends killed FPS Bond games once and for all
    (not because i hate them but because the last couple of them weren't even trying. Goldeneye is 20 years old, let it go)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I actually do want Bond games to be shooters. FPS and TPS both, with elements of stealth, driving and RPG. I don’t want Bond to ditch those genres as I want them all combined into one to be the main template for the 007 game series.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Nightfire is my favorite Bond game.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    I've only played GE, TWINE for N64 and QOS, GE for the wii. I'd like to play AUF, NF, EON, and FRWL. I miss that era.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    Nightfire is my favorite Bond game.
    Mine, too!
    Remington wrote: »
    I've only played GE, TWINE for N64 and QOS, GE for the wii. I'd like to play AUF, NF, EON, and FRWL. I miss that era.
    My dear fellow, you certainly haven’t played the best Bond games ever made! These four define Bond games for probably the entirety of the video games fandom. Go and get cracking, Commander!
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited October 2017 Posts: 5,185
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    I actually do want Bond games to be shooters. FPS and TPS both, with elements of stealth, driving and RPG. I don’t want Bond to ditch those genres as I want them all combined into one to be the main template for the 007 game series.

    Mixing genres is absolutely the way to go with Bond, no doubt about it.
    At the end of the day i just want a top quality Bond game. Wether thats a tetris like puzzle game, or a Poker simulator (would buy that one in a heartbeat) doesn't matter as much to me, especially after the drought that we had the last couple of years.
    I would love an FPS games, if its done right! there are many current examples of Bad or boring fps games, not so many of good ones. But i come from a different gaming generation....

    Actually after all this talk i have started conceptualizing a Bond game in my head, but i only have a couple ideas. Basically i would borrow a couple ideas from alpha protocol, without going as deep:

    What i would like is a HUB world that is basically a luxurious Hotel (think of the Bangkok level in Hitman 2016) and in there you can roam free, you have Casinos there, restaurants, you can meet informants, flirt with girls etc. (all that information would of course add to your main mission in some way) or you can enter your room for your wardrobe. From there you can go to e.g. the garage or the reception to trigger a mission, that would play out basically like a mission in GTAV, you can infiltrate enemy bases to do investigations, or visit big high society events to get to know your enemies better. And you may have driving sections afterwards in order to flee the scene for example.

    You would have 3-4 Cities like that, with each having a different Hotel and different levels. That would be the perfect mix of open world and linearity in my opinion.
    You can still have a strong story telling element that way
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    Guys thoughts on 007 legends? I have only played The Bronsan games and from Russia With Love..

    That is the only Bond game that I avoided... and I bought GE:RA on release day. I will buy 007 Legends eventually. I have to see for myself, but I didn't (and still don't) find the idea of the game appealing. Getting to play missions from LTK and OHMSS, great. Getting to to play them as Craigs Bond, not great.
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    Nightfire is my favorite Bond game.
    Mine, too!

    Better make that three.
  • GummyGummy
    edited October 2017 Posts: 70
    Hi guys, I thought I'd make another 007 game concept again. I've previously made a few concepts and a multiplayer 007 game concept but this time I'd like to make a full game concept with a story and I'd like some ideas, suggestions for the story, whether it'll be first or third person, and what mechanics you'd like to see in a spy game.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Gummy wrote: »
    Hi guys, I thought I'd make another 007 game concept again. I've previously made a few concepts and a multiplayer 007 game concept but this time I'd like to make a full game concept with a story and I'd like some ideas, suggestions for the story, whether it'll be first or third person, and what mechanics you'd like to see in a spy game.
    @Gummy, make the perspective switchable between first and third. That's always a winner.
  • bondbat007bondbat007
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    Sad news today from the Bond gaming world. Visceral Games, who developed many of our favorite EA Bond games, was shut down today. I had been looking forward to their Star Wars game and had obviously loved their Bond games and Dead Space franchise.

    https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/10/ea-shuts-down-visceral-will-reboot-its-star-wars-game-due-to-marketplace/
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    bondbat007 wrote: »
    Sad news today from the Bond gaming world. Visceral Games, who developed many of our favorite EA Bond games, was shut down today. I had been looking forward to their Star Wars game and had obviously loved their Bond games and Dead Space franchise.

    https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/10/ea-shuts-down-visceral-will-reboot-its-star-wars-game-due-to-marketplace/

    First Eurocom fails, then Visceral, and Rare is a shell of the company it once was. All the great Bond game developers are gone.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    What if 3D Realms gets the Bond license? Think about how great their Bond games will look!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Well considering 3D Realms made one of the greatest first person shooters of all time.
    (Duke Nukem 3D) I'm all for it.
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