Bond's Gaming Future(News, Speculation, Discussion)

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  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Here's an interesting quirk of fate: I was in a second hand store just a little while ago and found a copy of Project I.G.I. on the media (games, DVDs, VHS) shelf, a two pack that also includes the original Hitman: Codename 47 (the one that has never left the PC). Now it's time to find out if my PC has any problems with it.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Here's an interesting quirk of fate: I was in a second hand store just a little while ago and found a copy of Project I.G.I. on the media (games, DVDs, VHS) shelf, a two pack that also includes the original Hitman: Codename 47 (the one that has never left the PC). Now it's time to find out if my PC has any problems with it.
    @Agent007391 in order for the first IGI game to work, you're going to need the dgvoodoo 2 program to adjust the graphics for newer operating systems such as Windows 8/10 and others.

    The second game has no problems, however.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I still need to get myself a copy of the second.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I still need to get myself a copy of the second.
    It's available to download on GOG.com, @Agent007391. :)
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I'll havta check that out at some point.
  • So I take it nothing came from 007: Solstice? x-D
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    So I take it nothing came from 007: Solstice? x-D

    Evidently there's an upcoming comic book by that name, but no Tell-Tale game.
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    So I take it nothing came from 007: Solstice? x-D

    Evidently there's an upcoming comic book by that name, but no Tell-Tale game.

    That's right! Totally forgot about that. Very excited for the release. Dynamite has done a "dynamite" job. Parents pre-ordered Casino Royale for my bday on 11/11. Can't wait for it to come out!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    It was that somebody must've heard a Bond title somewhere and decided to sell it as a fake news on the internet.

    Solstice, a one-shot comic book set for release on November 22nd, looks astonishingly spectacular.
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    If a Bond game were to add dialogue choices, would it fit or would it not? Dialogue choices are a good way to branch the story out and add variety, but would it fit with the James Bond character? We don't want to see him say something out of character and changing the outcome of the story.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Gummy wrote: »
    If a Bond game were to add dialogue choices, would it fit or would it not? Dialogue choices are a good way to branch the story out and add variety, but would it fit with the James Bond character? We don't want to see him say something out of character and changing the outcome of the story.

    That's an excellent question. The formula of Bond movie stories (and the game stories) makes us expect a certain kind of outcome, and any story that let you choose to be you own kind of Bond would end up producing a very unBondian Bond in many cases. Yet another reason I have no desire to see Telltale produce a Bond game.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I think it would be a bit of a fun idea, but I wouldn't do it in the Telltale style.
  • Gummy wrote: »
    If a Bond game were to add dialogue choices, would it fit or would it not? Dialogue choices are a good way to branch the story out and add variety, but would it fit with the James Bond character? We don't want to see him say something out of character and changing the outcome of the story.

    I think it could work. You could have dialogue options that'd be in character for different takes on Bond (so one might be smug and Moore esque, one might be sarcastic and Craig esque, one might be cold and Dalton esque, etc) and the story could have different outcomes even if Bond does always stop the bad guy (bad guy might end up dead, or in prison, could end in bed with the Bond girl or you might have turned her against you somehow or she might have died, could have stopped the bomb in time or someone might have had to sacrifice themself to do it for you, etc).

    I like the sorts of games where it feels like you have your own personal experience so I think it'd be cool.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The first No One Lives Forever video game did that.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I think dialogue options could work in a minor case, but only if all the choices fit something that Bond would actually do. The difference would be between a game presenting a Bond character that the game itself defines and your having the choice to define who he is, the latter of which would be there to fit your idea of Bond. I don't think there would be too much of an issue in that, as people will act like Sean, or Roger or Tim or Dan, etc. in "playing" their Bond. Others will go Fleming. So variety of expression isn't really an issue in my eyes, as there's so many different takes on Bond and each Bond handles certain things differently.

    I don't think the dialogue would have to be used constantly or for only consequential moments, either. I think it'd be cool simply to have some moments here and there where we get to choose how Bond acts in less major moments, like romancing a girl, talking to M/Moneypenny or in how you speak to a villain at certain points.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Exactly like the video above. NOLF did it, as I said.
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    So we can assume we will never get another one right
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @Risico007, I wouldn't go so far as to say never, but in the near future? I wouldn't count on it. As far as we know a gaming license (for actual games, not stupid gambling machines) hasn't been given to a publisher or developer team, and with Bond 25 in the works as we speak it's not likely we'd even see a tie-in game coming out with it (not that I want one anyway). That leaves us open from 2019 on, with the only Bond game we could get being an original one unconnected to a film, since none would be coming out.

    If EON cared to get the license to a great team that'd be great, but I think after Activision's screw ups they are convinced that there isn't a market for Bond games. They seem not to understand that the market is there, we just want better games made. I hope that one day they give the license to a team that really hits it out of the park and we can get back to having consistent Bond games again. If the EA era was the golden age, let's have a silver one with the current generation tech!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I am sure there are many hungry developers out there who want to make a James Bond video game. I don't think Eon are chickening out, though. They just need to find the right market and merchandise to have their license fit the mould. The Craig films for example don't really translate well into video games as opposed to the Brosnan films being made to games working perfectly fine.

    I'd love to see another Craig Bond game in the style of Alpha Protocol (but with more variety and freedom in gameplay rather than sticking to what's scripted), which would be a killer adventure for the video game franchise.

    But, the ultimate alternative to these all is to branch out of the film universe completely and make original James Bond video games with an original Bond and an original timeline unrelated to the movies. Only the source material, with the events from the Fleming novels ambiguously referenced every now and then like in the Dynamite comics.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @ClarkDevlin, I agree that I either want original Bond games or nothing, that way the devs wouldn't be rushed to meet a deadline like all the Activison overseen teams were.

    If we can't have Bond games I'd want a great new IP like Alpha Protocol that was a semi-open ended spy game with choice and levels where you could play the mission your way, like we've been discussing for years. The big issue is that there doesn't seem to be anyone out there making spy games of that kind, or spy games at all. Like Rockstar's Agent, which has been silent for years with no updates on it in sight. Doesn't give me much confidence in the genre of spy games coming back.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    If I can't have a new Bond game, then can I have a sequel to Cold Winter, another NOLF game, and a new Splinter Cell? Actually, no, forget what I just wrote, could I have all 4 instead?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I personally want a proper sequel to Return to Castle Wolfenstein (a subtle action-horror World War II spy-fi FPS with a lot of stealth), IGI 2: Covert Strike and Ubisoft’s video game adaptation of the Belgian spy comics XIII, which is better than the source material. Of course, I want to add these all to what Major wants, as well. I want another NOLF, ASAP.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    for the time being, the new Hitman is the next best thing to a Bond game for me.
    But of course i do want another 007 game asap.
    I have a bad feeling we won't get anything new in that department until Craig leaves and a new guy steps in.
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    Another N.O.L.F. game would be nice. Maybe with 70's era.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The video games I recommend the spy genre fans to play the most are:

    1. The Operative: No One Lives Forever (2000):
    After international intelligence organization UNITY's reputation is put in jeopardy when half the active list of its special agents are assassinated across the globe, the administration of the agency resorts to desperate measures in desperate times by placing a rookie who aspires to be a high ranking field operative herself, Catherine "Cate" Archer is assigned to investigate and find the trail behind the killings which eventually leads her to the terrorist organization known as HARM. Throughout the course, Cate discovers that there are deadlier schemes planned ahead than the world has known since the war.

    (I'd provide the piece with a link to a trailer, but none have been made that would actually sell the game to the viewer.)

    2. XIII (2003):
    Adapted from the widely known Belgian comic books of the same name, the story follows an amnesiac who wakes up on the shores of the Mediterranean, unaware of his identity and the occurrence that preceded his injury across his left temple. As he finds himself being hunted by mysterious armed groups whether they'd be mercenaries or the police, he has himself down to discover the truth, exploring the fact that sometime prior to present day he actually assassinated the President of the United States. Dismissing the belief that he's capable of pulling horrible an act as such, he wanders from one corner of the world to another to bring the truth up on the surface, finding himself being aided by two people who claim to be his former teammates.



    3. IGI 2: Covert Strike (2003):
    This has got to be the greatest stealth First-Person Shooter ever made, adding to the fact that Bravo Two Zero's Chris Ryan acted as a military consultant to the game, it puts the player in control of IGI operative David Jones in order to recover stolen EMP chips that would do more harm and damage than a nuclear strike if fallen into the wrong hands. Travelling from Eastern Europe, to North Africa and East Asia, Jones discovers the fate of the Western countries is hanging in the balance when a rogue Chinese military General, a madman plans to use those EMP chips to blindfold US intelligence and cripple the powers within, thus starting World War III.



    4. Return to Castle Wolfenstein (2001):
    Set against the backdrop of World War II, OSA (Office of Secret Actions, inspired by the real-life Office of Strategic Services) operatives William Joseph "B.J." Blazkowicz and Richard Wesley (more commonly known as Agent One) spark on a mission to investigate the truth behind ominous rumours regarding paranormal activities supposedly sanctioned by a high ranking Schutzstaffel leader and occult enthusiast Heinrich Himmler under the label "Operation: Resurrection", which it is believed he intends to use to win the war against the Allied Powers. Captured along the way, Agent One dies under a horrible torture while Blazkowicz breaks free and fights his way out, discovering both the use of heavy science and occult by the SS Paranormal Division is being carried out, thus racing against time to stop all the diabolical schemes before it is too late.



    5. No One Lives Forever 2: A Spy in HARM's Way (2002):
    Sequel to the critically acclaimed and commercially successful 2000 video game, set in 1968, a year after the events of the first, Cate Archer once again finds herself pitted against HARM after rumours about a certain "Project: Omega" comes to rise that concerns the elevation of a global threat that would urge the world's superpowers, US and the Soviets, to succumb into a war. Setting her foot in numerous countries as well as infiltrating countless facilities to uncover information regarding HARM's undertaking, Cate once again has to make sure an international chaos is averted.



    6. Hitman 2: Silent Assassin (2002):
    Many regard Blood Money as their favourite, I personally prefer the second installment to the rest since this one happens to be the entry that speaks to me the most. After the events of the first game, Agent 47 leaves his life behind and resides at a monastery in Sicily, working as a gardener as well as trying to find peace with his inner world. Soon he finds himself dragged back to the world of assassinations once the person he cares about most, Father Vittorio, is abducted by a Russian mobster and hold him hostage until 47 pays a ransom of half a million dollars. Unable to collect a sum as such, 47 reluctantly offers his services to the ICA in exchange for information regarding Father Vittorio's whereabouts. However, revelations over the course of the events bring him to discover that Vittorio's kidnapping was merely to lure him out by a man from his past who has larger schemes planned ahead than it was ever believed.



    7. Alpha Protocol (2010):
    Most of you know the plot.



    8. Hitman (2016):
    Again, most of you know the plot.



    These are all my recommendations for the spy video games outside the James Bond series.
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    My favorite non Bond spy games are both NOLF games and Alpha Protocol. In many regards those games are better than the official licenced Bond games.

    Honorable mention : Hitman series. Not particulary espionage oriented, but anyone who has played these games know how Bondian they could be.
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    I love Alpha Protocol and the Splinter Cell series (which is also D.O.A for some weird reason) like I said it’s kind of upsetting that the last good espionage game in my opinion was Alkeline’s gun which came out in 2016 and before that Splinter Cell Black list in 2013 I just don’t get it
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    Still waiting for Rockstar's Agent. What, it's been ten years or so since it was announced. Can't we have at least one good spy game?

    For wild west games we only have to wait for 7-8 years...
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @SharkBait, Rockstar keep renewing the trademark for Agent so maybe we'll actually see a game like that before we all die. I think the idea was for it to be a Cold War set spy story, so we would feel just like Connery Bond and I'm all over that.

    I just think that, amongst many things (the market, the culture of gaming right now), GTA has changed Rockstar's view on things, by which I mean their corporate owners. I would like to think that Rockstar will still remain as the same creative, outside the box and inventive company they've always been, but in a post-GTA V world where they've seen how monetization can be a vast and powerful tool, I get worried that titles like Agent will die in favor of making more GTA or online focused games with micro-transactions.

    I guess the closest sign we'll get to seeing if Rockstar has changed or if they're still as they were in 2012 will be how they roll out Red Dead and the online extension to it. If they play games there, it's over.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    If I remember reading correctly somewhere, it was to be set in the late seventies and early eighties, which would be more akin to Spy Game than anything we've seen with the Connery Bond.
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