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Would Goldeneye have been a success with Dalton?

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  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    He would have been 49 if I'm not mistaken-- hardly too old, if you look at Roger's tenure... I mean hell- I think Roger was 49 in his third movie, and he went on to make four more after that!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I think I'm one of the few people on this site that actually full on likes Brosnans Bond. Dalton will always be my favourite but Brosnan was awesome too.
    You & me against the world, bro.
    BTW, I still wanna kill Lee Tamohammy for making my man look bad... >:/
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    maxcraig wrote:
    Pierce and Moore's Bond movies are alike, you really really enjoyed them as a kid or a young teenager because of silly actions, gadgets, no complex dialogues or plot easy to follow....But when you are a grown up you prefer the older Connery's Bonds, Lazenby Dalton and Craig.

    Well I'm a grown up and I like Brosnan (and Dalton, and Connery, and Craig, and Moore, and Lazenby), so nope.
    Master_Dahark wrote:
    I will say it till the day I die: GoldenEye could have been Dalton's 'SkyFall'.

    Returning after a long absence- and the script was completely made with him in mind. Just think about M warning him about 'taking it personal' (helloooooo, Licence to Kill reference!!!!) not to mention the girl 'evaluating' him at the beginning.
    Too many great moments to name!

    GoldenEye should have been Dalton's last- and Tomorrow Never Dies should have been Brosnan's first.

    I think GE is Brosnans best and I wouldn't want to take that away from him. I'd prefer it if Dalton got his never made Property Of A Lady film, the one set in China. I was reading about it and that seemed awesome.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    chrisisall wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I think I'm one of the few people on this site that actually full on likes Brosnans Bond. Dalton will always be my favourite but Brosnan was awesome too.
    You & me against the world, bro.
    BTW, I still wanna kill Lee Tamohammy for making my man look bad... >:/

    I was glad when I found out you had Dalton as you're favourite and Brosnan as your 2nd, I'm not alone anymore! :D

    I don't entirely blame Tamahori, he's made good films. The script was fairly terrible.
  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
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    Master_Dahark wrote:
    He would have been 49 if I'm not mistaken-- hardly too old, if you look at Roger's tenure... I mean hell- I think Roger was 49 in his third movie, and he went on to make four more after that!

    Roger was 46 when he became Bond. He was fifty by Spy.

  • maxcraigmaxcraig
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    acoppola wrote:

    If I am totally honest, I prefer Dalton's and Brosnan's images as Bond in terms of look to Craig. That is not shallow but how I felt always and I doubt it will change.
    Brosnan's look never scared me as Bond, even when he tried to look nasty (TWINE opening sequence), it never worked.
  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
    edited November 2012 Posts: 1,243
    maxcraig wrote:
    acoppola wrote:

    If I am totally honest, I prefer Dalton's and Brosnan's images as Bond in terms of look to Craig. That is not shallow but how I felt always and I doubt it will change.
    Brosnan's look never scared me as Bond, even when he tried to look nasty (TWINE opening sequence), it never worked.

    I prefer Bond as darker featured. It started that way with Connery. Brosnan did have some moments where he looked dangerous but he let the air out too quickly.

  • sirseanisbondsirseanisbond
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    What it really boils down to here is who you like better as a Bond actor. Personally I’m very glad that Pierce did Goldeneye because if Timmy had done it, I’d have yawned myself to death. The better question is, if he hadn’t been tied-down by his Remington Steel contract, how much better would TLD and LTK have been with Brozzer in them? I wager to say quite a lot! Maybe then normal people would have liked them too, instead of just the Bond fan bores who grew up in the 80’s...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    thelivingroyale wrote:

    I think GE is Brosnans best and I wouldn't want to take that away from him.
    But consider: GE with Dalton makes money, Broz comes in with a serious take still in play/ TND is played a touch darker/DAD is not stupidified, Broz goes out the hero -OR- makes another flick-! No way could it have been bad for either actor!
  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
    edited November 2012 Posts: 1,243
    sirseanisbond wrote:
    What it really boils down to here is who you like better as a Bond actor. Personally I’m very glad that Pierce did Goldeneye because if Timmy had done it, I’d have yawned myself to death. The better question is, if he hadn’t been tied-down by his Remington Steel contract, how much better would TLD and LTK have been with Brozzer in them? I wager to say quite a lot! Maybe then normal people would have liked them too, instead of just the Bond fan bores who grew up in the 80’s...

    LTK would never had happened under Brosnan. That was a Dalton aimed film. Just like CR would never happen under Brosnan.

    It was not just people who grew up in the 80's. I knew fans who grew up in the 60's who loved Dalton's take because they liked the books as a result of seeing early Connery films.

    But Bond has become at times like the Dracula franchise which changes image and rarely pays attention to Bram Stoker's novel. If an actor gets the part right according to the true source, then that should be respected.

    If some want a personality playing Bond, then the character will not survive for long in today's climate. Audiences are less forgiving than 30 years ago.

  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    edited November 2012 Posts: 4,813
    sirseanisbond wrote:
    The better question is, if he hadn’t been tied-down by his Remington Steel contract, how much better would TLD and LTK have been with Brozzer in them? I wager to say quite a lot!
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  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
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    Master_Dahark wrote:
    sirseanisbond wrote:
    The better question is, if he hadn’t been tied-down by his Remington Steel contract, how much better would TLD and LTK have been with Brozzer in them? I wager to say quite a lot!
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    sirseanisbond wrote:
    if he hadn’t been tied-down by his Remington Steel contract, how much better would TLD and LTK have been with Brozzer in them?
    Hey, I *LOVE* Brosnan, but face it- he looked pretty damn young in '86. I liked him as a mid-nineties Bond. And never seeing Dalton in the role is gorram unthinkable.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited November 2012 Posts: 11,189
    I do think Broz plays well against Dench in GE (love the way he sits, his cynical delivery of the line "governments change...the lies stay the same, his stern but defiant expressions and the smile to M when he walks out her office).

    You could tell Dench liked Brosnan and Brosnan liked Dench. I wouldn't want to take that away from him.

    I like Brosnan but I admit him being bond in 86 would have been a mistake. Me and my mum are watching Remington Steele on DVD at the moment. She liked him as Bond but refers to him in Rs as "Lego man".
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    chrisisall wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:

    I think GE is Brosnans best and I wouldn't want to take that away from him.
    But consider: GE with Dalton makes money, Broz comes in with a serious take still in play/ TND is played a touch darker/DAD is not stupidified, Broz goes out the hero -OR- makes another flick-! No way could it have been bad for either actor!

    That would be great.
  • maxcraigmaxcraig
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    maxcraig wrote:
    Pierce and Moore's Bond movies are alike, you really really enjoyed them as a kid or a young teenager because of silly actions, gadgets, no complex dialogues or plot easy to follow....But when you are a grown up you prefer the older Connery's Bonds, Lazenby Dalton and Craig.

    Well I'm a grown up and I like Brosnan (and Dalton, and Connery, and Craig, and Moore, and Lazenby), so nope.
    Well good for you.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    maxcraig wrote:
    Brosnan's look never scared me as Bond, even when he tried to look nasty (TWINE opening sequence), it never worked.
    It's a matter of opinion, and I respect you thoughts as such.
    BTW, which is better, Reeses Pieces or Goobers?
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    chrisisall wrote:
    maxcraig wrote:
    Brosnan's look never scared me as Bond, even when he tried to look nasty (TWINE opening sequence), it never worked.
    It's a matter of opinion, and I respect you thoughts as such.
    BTW, which is better, Reeses Pieces or Goobers?

    The "me too" and "I never miss" deliveries from Brosnan are probably two of his best moments in the role.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited November 2012 Posts: 17,823
    BAIN123 wrote:
    The "me too" and "I never miss" deliveries from Brosnan are probably two of his best moments in the role.
    Moments like those count for a lot with me.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    sirseanisbond wrote:
    Personally I’m very glad that Pierce did Goldeneye because if Timmy had done it, I’d have yawned myself to death.
    You've not read Fleming, I take it? b-(
  • sirseanisbondsirseanisbond
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    chrisisall wrote:
    sirseanisbond wrote:
    Personally I’m very glad that Pierce did Goldeneye because if Timmy had done it, I’d have yawned myself to death.
    You've not read Fleming, I take it? b-(

    On the contrary, I have read all of them, many times in fact. I just happen to prefer the films to the books. I have always felt that the character Fleming created in the books left a lot to be desired. He came close to creating something excellent, but he fell just short of perfection. Personally, the character I fell in love with was not the one Fleming penned in Casino Royale, but the one which Sean Connery personified in Dr. No.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Totally agree with the earlier comments. GE with hindsight feels like it was written for Dalts. That said, I find it a weak entry, and not just because of Pierce. I don't think Cambell did half as good a job as with CR, and the music and script are not great IMO. Perhaps if Dalts had been in it they would have made it differently though. I find characters like Onatop yawn-inducing and cartoon-like. If they'd made the whole film a bit more serious it could have worked perhaps. Sean Bean face to face with Dalts would have been more successful I think. Correct me if I'm wrong but Dalt's northern accent often crops up in TLD and LTK - it would have been nice if they'd both done their scenes together in full northern, rather than the faux posh that Bean and Brosnan put on.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Master_Dahark wrote:
    GoldenEye should have been Dalton's last- and Tomorrow Never Dies should have been Brosnan's first.
    Now I'm getting misty-eyed...

    Do excuse me, i've got something in my eyes. :( Even though it's Brosnans best Bond (imo), i'm curious as to what a Daltonised TND would have looked like...

    Dalton as Bond
    Anthonthy Hopkins as Harmsway (or Carver)
    Sela Ward as Paris
    Edward Woodwood as M

    And no BMW.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    edited November 2012 Posts: 4,813
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    And no BMW.

    I just googled what an Aston Martin looked like in 1997-- pretty damn sharp if I do say so!

    1997-Aston-Martin-DB7-Volante-concept.jpg
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited November 2012 Posts: 13,999
    I can picture Dalton behind the wheel. B-) But the DB7 was released in '94*, if they had not choosen it for GE, I would have liked it to be Bond car in TND.



    *Would they have choosen a car that had been on the market for 3 years, though?
  • JimThompson45JimThompson45
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    Master_Dahark wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    And no BMW.

    I just googled what an Aston Martin looked like in 1997-- pretty damn sharp if I do say so!

    1997-Aston-Martin-DB7-Volante-concept.jpg

    Nice! But I'd rather see Bond driving a Bentley! :)
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    *Would they have choosen a car that had been on the market for 3 years, though?

    Sorry- that was meant for @MajorDSmythe 's comment about Dalton in Tomorrow Never Dies ;)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited November 2012 Posts: 13,999
    Bentley would have been a neat choice for CR, sort of brings Bonds vehicular journey full circle. I suppose for the mid 1990's, they would have gone with the Continental S.
  • JimThompson45JimThompson45
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    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Bentley would have been a neat choice for CR, sort of brings Bonds vehicular journey full circle. I suppose for the mid 1990's, they would have gone with the Continental S.
    Oh...my...yes. :D

  • sirseanisbondsirseanisbond
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    Master_Dahark wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    And no BMW.

    I just googled what an Aston Martin looked like in 1997-- pretty damn sharp if I do say so!

    1997-Aston-Martin-DB7-Volante-concept.jpg

    Sharp? Please. After the V-8 vantage that Tim had, the next properly pretty car Aston made was the Vanquish, and they put that into DAD. I'm glad that Bond went through a BMW phase. Like his lotus in TSWLM, it made for some good variation. While I wouldn't mind seeing Q hand Bond a tricked out Bentley Continental SS in Bond 24, I also wouldn't mind seeing any of the new Astons, from the V8 to on through to the new Vanquish which looks epic!
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