Would Goldeneye have been a success with Dalton?

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  • Posts: 11,425
    Goldeneye is certainly let down by an atrocious script and appalling soundtrack, but that's why it's difficult to imagine it not being improved by the presence of Dalton for whom several of the scenes seem to have been written. Dench and Dalton would have been delicious.
  • edited July 2015 Posts: 11,189
    Dench has a habit of upstaging people. Whenever she's onscreen with someone, no matter how good the other actor is, I always seem to be drawn to her slightly more. She always makes things look so easy. Maybe that's why her popularity as an actress has endured?

    Despite his best efforts I don't think it would be all that different with Dalton to be honest.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Nah, it would have been a face off between two acting heavyweights.
  • edited July 2015 Posts: 11,189
    I wonder if Dench has ever actually worked with Dalton in the theatre? I could see those two bouncing off eachother quite well on stage.
  • RC7RC7
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    The Dench/Brosnan scenes in GE and TND are superb.
  • edited July 2015 Posts: 15,117
    Getafix wrote: »
    Goldeneye is certainly let down by an atrocious script and appalling soundtrack, but that's why it's difficult to imagine it not being improved by the presence of Dalton for whom several of the scenes seem to have been written. Dench and Dalton would have been delicious.

    Whether or not GE is atrocious or could have improved the script is beside the point. Brosnan was hailed as the best since Connery before he said his very first line on the set. GE might have been a success with Dalton but let's not remake history: Brosnan was part of the reasons the movie was a huge success. Dalton would not have brought the novelty factor, let alone the projection many viewers, myself included, did on Brosnan.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Goldeneye is certainly let down by an atrocious script and appalling soundtrack,
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  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Never liked the female M. But in answer to the title list...Goldeneye would have been a better film with Dalton. He is a better actor and Bond than Brozzer. However the public seemed to prefer Pierce, so the commercial success would have been lower with Tim.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Better movie or more money for MGM? Which would you prefer?
  • edited July 2015 Posts: 15,117
    Getafix wrote: »
    Better movie or more money for MGM? Which would you prefer?

    At the time? In the state the franchise was in? I'd take GE as it stands, not as it would have been with Dalton. Whether it would have been a better movie or not. Which is debatable, by the way.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Better movie or more money for MGM? Which would you prefer?
    Dalton wasn't popular until after Craig brought the darker edgier Bond back in style. GoldenEye probably would have flopped, who knows. GoldenEye was perfect.
  • Posts: 11,425
    apart from the worst score in the entire series.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Getafix wrote: »
    apart from the worst score in the entire series.
    It's not the worst. yeah "Ladies First" sucks but other than that, It's pretty good.








    Granted that last one wasn't Serra's work but it's still good none the less.
  • edited July 2015 Posts: 11,425
    Nah, it's the worst. I'd take Newman's drone over Serra's sonic vomit.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Getafix wrote: »
    I'd take Newman's drone over Serra's sonic vomit.
    We must agree to disagree on THAT.
    :))
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Nah, it's the worst. I'd take Newman's drone over Serra's sonic vomit.
    Here's a drone for you. :))
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    While Serra's score is not my favourite Bond score, I wouldn't watch a fan edit using another. Serra's score is inextricably part of the Bond series IMO. GE is perfect as is.
  • Posts: 11,425
    'Ladies First', as even @Murdock seems prepared to admit, is a crime against film music and a slap in the face to John Barry and any fan that cares about Bond films and the scores. To say it's utter cr*p would be the understatement of the century. The rest of the score makes my skin crawl and is one of the reasons I'd always take TND over Brosnans first, highly flawed, outing.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited July 2015 Posts: 17,798
    Well yeah, because TND is a near perfect OTT Bond film all around.
    Plus: I take exception to that remark that GE is highly flawed. IMHO the only REAL flaw is watching Russian dudes in the Kremlin speaking English to each other, which I am pretty certain rarely ever occurs.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Dench's best scene/quip in a Bond film imho was in the TND pretitles with Geoffrey Palmer. Those two are brilliant together on screen.
  • edited July 2015 Posts: 11,425
    Arnold's TND score is far superior to Serra's effort. Surrender should have been the title track and it would have ranked amongst the best of the post Barry title songs. Still a very good song though. TND also has a very decent PTS.

    I often hear TND described as an OTTO entry but for me it's more of a down to earth (sort of) fast paced action thriller. I see it as similar to QoS in many ways - just rips along, had script issues, and turned out better than it probably deserved to. Oh, and I enjoyed them both when I first saw them at the cinema, which is a critical test for me.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Arnold's TND score is far superior to Serra's effort. Surrender should have been the title track and it would have ranked amongst the best of the post Barry title songs. Still a very good song though. TND also has a very decent PTS.
    This TND love makes me happy.
    =D>
  • Posts: 11,425
    I'm trying to self moderate ;)
  • Posts: 11,119
    "GoldenEye" grossed wordwide 352 Million Dollar. In all honesty, if Dalton was doing the exact same screenplay...only with his own grittier touch, then I think it would have grossed just a tiny bit less. Let's say 300 to 320 Million.

    The main reason "GoldenEye" was such a huge success, was because it featured the return of James Bond 007 after a 6 year long hiatus. And also, looking at the PTS of "GoldenEye", which is set in 1986, it could have been a good continuation of "The Living Daylights". Perhaps John-Rhys Davies could have returned as Defense Minister Pushkin....
  • Posts: 11,425
    "GoldenEye" grossed wordwide 352 Million Dollar. In all honesty, if Dalton was doing the exact same screenplay...only with his own grittier touch, then I think it would have grossed just a tiny bit less. Let's say 300 to 320 Million.

    The main reason "GoldenEye" was such a huge success, was because it featured the return of James Bond 007 after a 6 year long hiatus. And also, looking at the PTS of "GoldenEye", which is set in 1986, it could have been a good continuation of "The Living Daylights". Perhaps John-Rhys Davies could have returned as Defense Minister Pushkin....

    Now we're talking!
  • Posts: 11,425
    Dalton + a Barry score = Goldeneye x10
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2015 Posts: 23,883
    That's probably true. I think Dalton was smeared after LTK, which left a bad taste (at the time) in many people's mouth where it mattered (i.e. in the US). GE wouldn't have been as successful had he done it imho.

    Interestingly, like Lazenby, hardcore fan's impression of Dalton has improved with time.

    However, the general public has almost forgotten both of them, sadly.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Eff the GP. Dalton gave me my two favourite Bonds. Anything after that is just icing on my cake! :)>-
  • Posts: 11,425
    bondjames wrote: »
    That's probably true. I think Dalton was smeared after LTK, which left a bad taste (at the time) in many people's mouth where it mattered (i.e. in the US). GE wouldn't have been as successful had he done it imho.

    Interestingly, like Lazenby, hardcore fan's impression of Dalton has improved with time.

    However, the general public have almost forgotten both of them, sadly.

    Just shows the GP know nothing! That's not to say that box office is not important - of course it is - but that the real fans views count for more, especially on these threads. OHMSS is one of the best in the series and anyone who says that's got nothing to do with Laz is kidding themselves. He brought the vulnerability that film needed. Sean at that point would not have worked - he would have ruined OHMSS quite possibly. Rog? Ditto. Laz is great in that film and as it's one of the best Bond movies I maintain that that makes Laz one of the best Bonds.

    I'd make a similar argument in defence of the Daltonator.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Speaking of Dalts, I've recently been watching Season 1 of Penny Dreadful.

    He is absolutely brilliant in it, as is Eva Green and Rory Kinnear. It's an amazing show imho.

    When I was watching it, what really struck me was how good Dalton looks for his age (including his stance, posture etc.). I felt he could still play Bond now (an older one) and actually my mind wandered to contemplate what it could have been like if he had in fact continued with GE all the way up to now as Bond.....aging gracefully in the role. No CR then, and no reboot, but it would have been interesting to see Bond age in the role and with the times.
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