Would Goldeneye have been a success with Dalton?

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  • Posts: 11,425
    Tarantino would have got an interesting performance from Brosnan
  • edited February 2017 Posts: 628
    People seem to forget that Brosnan was going nowhere with his career when he got the offer for GOLDENEYE. He needed Bond more than Bond needed him.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    How about Brosnan in casino Royale
    It wouldnt have worked unless it was Brosnans first Bond film.

    Not even then.

    I think it could of worked
    Pierce is a ham. The scenes with Eva Green would have made me vomit.

  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Murdock wrote: »
    It would have been interesting to see.
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    He looks way too old to play Bond.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    He would have had trouble with the ball buster scene. That required some restraint and acting composure. Pierce would have laid on the pain face. That's why it's best he didn't get the chance to do CR.

    Like I said, he probably would have nailed SP.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    He looks way too old to play Bond.

    Rubbish. He looks great. Like a well seasoned gentlemen spy.
  • Posts: 1,970
    A 5th Brosnan movie with Tarentino in 2004 and then CR how it was after. Thats what should of happened.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    The truth is Dalton has never been as popular an actor as Brosnan. Kind of a shame really but I think Dalton's more reclusive nature plays a part in that. I sense that he's a bit uncomfortable with the limelight, whereas Broz likes it.
    Dalton looks so nervous there. Like a deer in the headlights.

    Same in this clip with Wogan (he's at the end). He even tells Terry that he's panicking, and Terry schools him. Quite a contrast to Davi who plays it cool.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I don't buy into this idea of Brosnan being able to pull of a "darker" film. Had Brosnan made a 5th Bond, it would have continued the OTT direction of his films. From EON's point of view, why not? It made them money.
  • edited February 2017 Posts: 676
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    People seem to forget that Brosnan was going nowhere with his career when he got the offer for GOLDENEYE. He needed Bond more than Bond needed him.
    Yep. Bond was (and still is) bigger than the guy playing him.
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    Had Brosnan not got Bond, he'd be less than a footnote in movie history.

    However, Dalton is arguably not much more than a footnote and he did get to play Bond.

    Always felt with Dalton he needed a better agent. After Bond he seems to have done mainly utter rubbish.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @Getafix, true. Although I also think Dalton tried to be more of a stage actor than a movie actor after Bond.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    bondjames wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    The truth is Dalton has never been as popular an actor as Brosnan. Kind of a shame really but I think Dalton's more reclusive nature plays a part in that. I sense that he's a bit uncomfortable with the limelight, whereas Broz likes it.
    Dalton looks so nervous there. Like a deer in the headlights.

    Same in this clip with Wogan (he's at the end). He even tells Terry that he's panicking, and Terry schools him. Quite a contrast to Davi who plays it cool.

    Craig often look less comfortable on talk shows too. Although admitting your terrified goes against the Bond image true. But it shows what a good actor he is when 'acting' though. Dalt's should be wearing a suit in interviews like this though. Very scruffy.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    I don't buy into this idea of Brosnan being able to pull of a "darker" film. Had Brosnan made a 5th Bond, it would have continued the OTT direction of his films. From EON's point of view, why not? It made them money.

    +1.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @Getafix, true. Although I also think Dalton tried to be more of a stage actor than a movie actor after Bond.

    Agreed. Dalton always seemed to be primarily interested in stage acting (where he could play more challenging roles). Although he has never said this publicly, I suspect that he does the occasional film or television series mainly to pay the bills.

  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    How about Brosnan in casino Royale
    It wouldnt have worked unless it was Brosnans first Bond film.

    Not even then.

    I think it could of worked
    Pierce is a ham. The scenes with Eva Green would have made me vomit.

    I would have thought the term 'ham actor' or someone who overacts would have fitted Mr Dalton more.
    Brosnan's performance as Bond veered between excellent (the M scene in GoldenEye for example) and poor ("Huh?" when he hears Renard use the phrase 'There's no point in living....') with most points touched in between.
    Dalton never seemed capable of any kind of subtlety, and brought his theatrical traits to the table all the time. He really isn't a very good film actor.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I don't buy into this idea of Brosnan being able to pull of a "darker" film. Had Brosnan made a 5th Bond, it would have continued the OTT direction of his films. From EON's point of view, why not? It made them money.

    If he was given the opportunity, I think he absolutely could've pulled it off. Ever since he became Bond, I think Brosnan wanted to play the role exactly how Craig's been playing it, but he stepped into the shoes of 007 one decade too early. He wanted to heighten everything - more blood, he wanted Bond to smoke, he wanted the sex scenes to be a little more graphic and not throwaway moments that ended with a kiss or two, etc. I don't think he wanted it all to aim for an R-rating, but he definitely wanted to play the role with a bit more grit and groundedness, I'm sure.
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @Getafix, true. Although I also think Dalton tried to be more of a stage actor than a movie actor after Bond.

    Agreed. Dalton always seemed to be primarily interested in stage acting (where he could play more challenging roles). Although he has never said this publicly, I suspect that he does the occasional film or television series mainly to pay the bills.

    What plays did he do after Bond though? His Dark Materials is the only one I'm aware of.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I don't buy into this idea of Brosnan being able to pull of a "darker" film. Had Brosnan made a 5th Bond, it would have continued the OTT direction of his films. From EON's point of view, why not? It made them money.

    If he was given the opportunity, I think he absolutely could've pulled it off. Ever since he became Bond, I think Brosnan wanted to play the role exactly how Craig's been playing it, but he stepped into the shoes of 007 one decade too early. He wanted to heighten everything - more blood, he wanted Bond to smoke, he wanted the sex scenes to be a little more graphic and not throwaway moments that ended with a kiss or two, etc. I don't think he wanted it all to aim for an R-rating, but he definitely wanted to play the role with a bit more grit and groundedness, I'm sure.

    True enough he did want all of that. Whether he could've pulled it off is another thing. He loved to drop little comic asides and sly looks though. Couldn't help himself.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @NicNac, I think if he did get to play it the way he wanted to, we would've seen a lot less of that, and more of the way he played his characters in 'The Tailor of Panama' or 'The Matador' - a bit more confidence and menace.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Yep, I agree. And after finishing the Brosnan films in the Bondathon I've turned a corner as far as my opinion of him goes.

    After years of an angst ridden Daniel Craig (who I love by the way), Brosnan was a breath of fresh air. Really enjoyed his performances - on the whole - even when I wasn't enjoying the films.
  • edited February 2017 Posts: 19,339
    For all those Bond fans who hate my films,and think Dalton is better,you get this :

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    Getafix wrote: »
    Had Brosnan not got Bond, he'd be less than a footnote in movie history.

    However, Dalton is arguably not much more than a footnote and he did get to play Bond.

    Always felt with Dalton he needed a better agent. After Bond he seems to have done mainly utter rubbish.

    You know the same thing could probably be said about every actor that played Bond
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Had Brosnan not got Bond, he'd be less than a footnote in movie history.

    However, Dalton is arguably not much more than a footnote and he did get to play Bond.

    Always felt with Dalton he needed a better agent. After Bond he seems to have done mainly utter rubbish.

    You know the same thing could probably be said about every actor that played Bond

    Not Roger Moore though,he was already established.

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    barryt007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Had Brosnan not got Bond, he'd be less than a footnote in movie history.

    However, Dalton is arguably not much more than a footnote and he did get to play Bond.

    Always felt with Dalton he needed a better agent. After Bond he seems to have done mainly utter rubbish.

    You know the same thing could probably be said about every actor that played Bond

    Not Roger Moore though,he was already established.

    With Roger you could say that opposite. His career went no where after Bond.
  • Posts: 19,339
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Had Brosnan not got Bond, he'd be less than a footnote in movie history.

    However, Dalton is arguably not much more than a footnote and he did get to play Bond.

    Always felt with Dalton he needed a better agent. After Bond he seems to have done mainly utter rubbish.

    You know the same thing could probably be said about every actor that played Bond

    Not Roger Moore though,he was already established.

    With Roger you could say that opposite. His career went no where after Bond.

    Indeed,unfortunately.

  • Posts: 11,425
    Yes a shame Rog never had much a late career blossoming. He should have gone for straighter roles.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @NicNac, I think if he did get to play it the way he wanted to, we would've seen a lot less of that, and more of the way he played his characters in 'The Tailor of Panama' or 'The Matador' - a bit more confidence and menace.

    I believe Pierce had the potential to be a lot better.
  • edited March 2017 Posts: 11,189
    Rog was always very money-orientated and never hid that fact, as was Brosnan. Moore especially though would take any tacky role if it meant a decent pay packet (Boat Trip, Spiceworld etc).

    With Dalton though, you'd have thought he would have wanted more meaty roles given his intense theatre background and his claim of "always liking a challenge". He should have the same reputation as Anthony Hopkins or Alec Guiness.

    I suspect it comes down to two things:
    1. Dalton doesn't have enough screen charisma on camera.
    2. He's somewhat reluctant of being in the limelight so goes for less profile/lighter roles.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    For all those Bond fans who hate my films,and think Dalton is better,you get this :

    3ef36b3b1408d5f656c408894ede3e21.jpg

    His pain face is all the gift we need from Brosnan.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    U know what goldeneye would have been a success with???
    A competent composer
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