Would Goldeneye have been a success with Dalton?

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  • Posts: 1,713
    Speak for yourself......majorly bummed out Dalts did not return :(
  • Posts: 5,634
    Dalton decided to quit the part by his own decision Tracy

    Bottom line of this, as said before, I feel Dalton just would of been inappropriate for Goldeneye by 1995, the proper time for a third release would of been early 90's, by mid decade I merely feel the time had passed. It is a great pity in retrospect (that the ongoing legal disputes of the time jeapordized a Dalton return when he was still able)

  • Posts: 533
    I don't know. I would have to see "GOLDENEYE" with Dalton in the role in order for me to judge. I refuse to make the mistake by assuming I know a clear answer to such a question.
  • edited July 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Tracy wrote:
    Speak for yourself......majorly bummed out Dalts did not return :(

    I was at first, but then I saw the trailer for GE and I decided that even though I missed Dalton, I was just happy to have a new Bond film. And Brosnan wasn't as good as Dalton (well, nobody was), but he won me over by the end of GE.
  • Posts: 5,634
    Brosnan was good, but Dalton was better, granted, at least in terms of closest to the original Fleming character. Brosnan had more of an emphasis on humor while Dalton just had a more serious edge about him. Brosnan's first release was a very good start, faltered after that, redeemed himself brilliantly for TWINE, before a sorry exit in 2002, but that wasn't all his doing, some references made that year were actually very well done, but the overall film was a shocker
  • Posts: 612
    Is it just me, or does Brosnan come across as if he's trying too hard? I know it's all opinion, but he doesn't feel natural. He's trying to be more of an image than a character.

    Just a thought.
  • Posts: 5,634
    I thought he was too phlegmatic or laid back in one or two releases, more importantly certain scenes of his tenure or sequences. One moment it'll be all action and the next moment easing back in a chair making flippant remarks or trying a hand at some ill advised humor, as stated before, a bit of a mixed bag. I hate that stupid bit in The World Is Not Enough when a news item comes on about Elektra King and Brosnan goes all serious faced and starts touching the screen and wiping away tears and goes into 'I don't know this woman, but all of a sudden she's the most important human being on the planet' mode, they hadn't even met, Brosnan got all emotional over nothing, except be taken in for a moment by a pretty face. Lo and behold by the end of picture he had no problem in putting a bullet in her, but all the same, he wasn't that bad a James Bond, even though Dalton is the main topic of conversation here, but there you go
  • Posts: 12,837
    Is it just me, or does Brosnan come across as if he's trying too hard? I know it's all opinion, but he doesn't feel natural. He's trying to be more of an image than a character.

    Just a thought.

    Nah. One thing I always thought about Brosnans Bond was that it did feel natural and confident.
  • oo7oo7
    Posts: 1,068
    oo7 wrote:
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    liscense to kill seems to include world wide.
    now if we look at the fact it might have been his third or potentially a fouth dalton film i think we can say the roll-over effect(each bond gathers more heat in the role as time goes on, roger maybe fizzled out)
    i think you could be looking at one of the potential biggest loses for mgm right here. ie if they had managed to wrangle out two more with Dalton i'm actually saying they would not have been in debt so bad.
    CASE CLOSED

    dalton could have pushed to a half billion mark with goldeneye i think
  • Posts: 1,146
    To me this is all about story, and anytime Bond has had a good director and a good story, the character crackles with energy. I like Goldeneye better than the Dalton films simply because it has a better story.
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 4,813
    I made these today

    Dalton's poster would have been way better than Brosnan's- Dalton has the more intense eyes
    DaltonGoldenEye2.jpg

    This one doesn't look as good, but just the thought of it is awesome!!! The photo I used was from a 2000 movie, so technically he would have looked even better in GE!

    DaltonGoldenEye.jpg
  • Posts: 1,713
    I'd like to see Dalts , Bowie and Cilla Presley on the AVTAK 1sh ;)
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 126
    Yeah, but Pierce would have floundered in LTK. What is weird is what Dalton had pierce Lacked, and what Pierce had Dalton lacked. The 2 of them combined would have been perfect- Then Again that was Connery. lol
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 4,813
    Look at this cool picture I found-- Almost looks as if it was was from Tomorrow Never Dies- Bond waiting for his assassin (Paris)! @-)

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  • Posts: 59
    always thought Dalton was the finest Bond to date, and Brosnan although a fine Bond could never have brought the gravitas needed for something as great as L.T.K but I reckon Dalton would have easily played a superior Bond in ALL four Brosnan fliks, especially the dire D.A.D
  • Posts: 1,092
    Brosnan was trying too hard. I don't blame him. He was being gromed for the role way back in the early 80's and once the role was his he ran with it. He had been cast before but the Rem Steele thing kept him from starting in '87 so that made it worse. But I can never help thinking when I watch he play that he was too happy to be playing Bond. Like he's saying, wow! Lookit me! I'm James Mother Effing Bond! The scripts and the changing directors didn't help either. His whole era feels so uneven.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Oh, if ONLY Dalton had started with LALD!!!!!
  • Posts: 7,653
    chrisisall wrote:
    Oh, if ONLY Dalton had started with LALD!!!!!

    In that way the series would have been a forgotten movie series from the
    '60's and '70's that would have failed deeply.
    Do not forget that TSWLM was essentially the 1st succesfull reboot of the series after LALD & TMWTGG weren't all that succesfull. The series needed Roger Moore at that time for all the qualities Dalton lacked.

  • Posts: 11,425
    Dalts would have rocked GE, esp with a better script. SUCH a shame he didn't do a third.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Watching LTK as I type this. Hmm...he's ok. Good performance but still not entirely convinced he has Brosnan's swagger / presence (saw some of TND the other day so its fairly freash in my mind - I will say though that Broz does look a bit too GQ-ish in that film at times).

    I'll agree there are some bits in GE that echo Dalton (the cemetary scene) but not too bothered about how things turned out).
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited November 2012 Posts: 13,999
    Dalton doesn't have Brosnan's presence? I wasn't aware that Brosnan had any presence. Brosnan did his moments, he was perfectly fine in the action scenes. But Brosnan never could have driven a scene such as the hotel room in TLD.

    Bond waiting for Paris in TND, is possibly my favourite Brosnan era moment (either that or the confrontation with Dr Kauffman), but as good as those moments were, there is no comparison. Brosnan just can't drive a scene with the same power.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Brosnan does have a presence. Agreed he's a little GQ-ish at times but I'm pretty certain that if he walked into a room people would notice him.

    Dalton looks ok in a tux but is somewhat upstaged by Lupe's red dress.

    I still feel iffy about Dalton's performance in the casino scenes actually. Something just doesn't feel right to me. He's fine in the meeting with Sanchez but I don't like the way he scowls constantly in the scenes prior to that.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited November 2012 Posts: 13,999
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Brosnan does have a presence. Agreed he's a little GQ-ish at times but I'm pretty certain that if he walked into a room people people would notice him.

    Dalton is upstaged by Lupe's red dress.



    Well, that was a revealing dress. :D
  • Now guys don't be jealous. Brosnan was the on Cubby wanted cause every chic in the cinema dreamed of him. That's why I don't take dates to see Bond. Austin Powers on the other hand, no problem!!!
  • Look at this cool picture I found-- Almost looks as if it was was from Tomorrow Never Dies- Bond waiting for his assassin (Paris)! @-)

    64638.jpg
    Yes she was sent to F___ him to death...
  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
    edited November 2012 Posts: 1,243
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Brosnan does have a presence. Agreed he's a little GQ-ish at times but I'm pretty certain that if he walked into a room people would notice him.

    Dalton looks ok in a tux but is somewhat upstaged by Lupe's red dress.

    I still feel iffy about Dalton's performance in the casino scenes actually. Something just doesn't feel right to me. He's fine in the meeting with Sanchez but I don't like the way he scowls constantly in the scenes prior to that.

    Dalton in the casino is Commander James Bond. He makes it clear he rules the roost. The scenes where Lupe deals the cards clearly emphasises that her beauty and sex appeal does not alter Bond's mission aims. And he dominates her because he knows she only respects dominant males. He does not play the friend card with her to get close to Sanchez, but by his actions. She knows that by him wanting to meet Sanchez, he has balls of steel and he does not seek her approval in the matter but tells her!

    And Dalton's Bond puts fear into a woman. Women do not like nice guys and the next time any man goes on a date, being more like Dalton will improve your chances. Women that are desirable are attracted to strength in a man and Dalton gets that in his Bond interpretation.


    I actually thought Brosnan's casino scene in Goldeneye was too self-conscious. His young face betrayed inexperience. He looked better as he got older. He played it in those scenes in a way that were too cautious in the sense of trying to please expectations of what Bond should be or will get him accepted.

    His other scenes in Goldeneye like on the train were far better. There he is Bond and has depth too as well as a stronger commanding tone of voice.

    But no question, Brosnan looked the part and did a fine job in Goldeneye.

    And Dalton is not upstaged by her dress. The scene is there to show that the Bond formula of glamour has not changed. And it is a sexy scene, because Dalton's face expression clearly emphasises he would love to get her in bed.

    The scene also is there to demonstrate that beauty alone is not enough. And who is dominant in the scene? Lupe is upstaged by Bond's authority and is scared for her life because of his plan.

    The scene is nicely contrasted between the two actors. Look up sexual tension because that is part of the scene.

  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,189
    I agree actually that Broz does look a bit uncomfortable in the early casino scene - but I do like some of his stern expressions like when he looks at Xenia across the table and when he looks across the river at the yaucht

    I thought Dalton sold the tough guy attitude better actually with the "make a sound...and your dead line. THAT was frightening and felt more believable to me. I just felt that in the casino scene it felt like he was "acting" tough.

    Then again it's all opinion @accopola.
  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
    Posts: 1,243
    Getafix wrote:
    Dalts would have rocked GE, esp with a better script. SUCH a shame he didn't do a third.

    Absolutely. I liked how Dalton's Bond handled women. He would employ different tactics to get them where he wanted them to be. And the minute any one would deviate is where in no uncertain terms he would put them in their place. Right there is a subtle nod to Bond's sexism without making it so obvious.

  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
    Posts: 1,243
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I agree actually that Broz does look a bit uncomfortable in the early casino scene - but I do like some of his stern expressions like when he looks at Xenia across the table and when he looks across the river at the yaucht

    He is great in the scene with Robbie Coltrane as well as the scene where he meets Alec in the disused statue place. I am the first to say, that his potential was squandered in subsequent films.

    Brosnan's angrier side is very interesting.

  • Posts: 1,092
    People keep forgetting that Dalton was playing the LITERARY BOND and b/c spies are supposed to be unnoticed for the most part, they are supposed to get in, get out, get the job done and leave, maybe he lacks a certain 'precence' but it's no slight to his acting. In fact, it's evidence that he was the best actor in the role. The fact he plays it subtle is on purpose. The book Bond was low key on purpose. A spy shouldn't be memorable.

    What's hard to understand about this? Everything on Dalton's part, how he played the role, is clearly deliberate.
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