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Would Goldeneye have been a success with Dalton?

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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I wouldn't want another Brosnan.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Isn't Fassbender too old?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Yes.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Yes, no Brosnan equivalent. I mean, there's a tall, handsome, black haired Irish guy whose known for his TV work, but besides that there's no one with similarities to Brosnan...

    Crikey, if Aidan Turner doesn't qualify on that score I don't know who or what would! He's the closest we have to the next Brosnan at the very least.

    False equivalence. Brosnan became Bond more than 20 years ago in different circumstances. Now we have reassessed his own tenure. If anything similarities with Brosnan will hurt Turner rather than help him.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Isn't Fassbender too old?

    No.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I just heard that there wasn't enough time for a more rigorous casting process when Brosnan was hired, because Dalton exited so last minute and they had to get a film out. I was just wondering, is that true?
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Believable but to be fair to Brozza they'd offered him the part before
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I don't think that was quite how it went down. It seemed like there was a decent amount of time passed between Dalton officially departing (which didn't seem to cause much of a ripple at the time) and Pierce being confirmed.

    Ok, thanks!
  • RobertsonRobertson
    edited June 2017 Posts: 170
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  • GetafixGetafix
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    I think it's more that Brozza was there waiting in the wings.

    Funny to think how back then the films dictated the production schedule and if an actor wasn't available they would get someone else in instead. Now with Craig it's all been flipped on its head with long waits while Craig decides whether he wants to do another.
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
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    Getafix wrote: »
    I think it's more that Brozza was there waiting in the wings.

    Funny to think how back then the films dictated the production schedule and if an actor wasn't available they would get someone else in instead. Now with Craig it's all been flipped on its head with long waits while Craig decides whether he wants to do another.

    Actually I really think that's just a rumor. I honestly do believe that he has never been asked to return.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Getafix wrote: »
    I think it's more that Brozza was there waiting in the wings.

    Funny to think how back then the films dictated the production schedule and if an actor wasn't available they would get someone else in instead. Now with Craig it's all been flipped on its head with long waits while Craig decides whether he wants to do another.

    Which I think is wrong...Craig has too much power re Bond at the moment,even co-producing.
    I don't think any actor should have that much say.

  • GetafixGetafix
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    I agree.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Not even Michael G Wilson?
  • GetafixGetafix
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    I see what you did there
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    I think it's more that Brozza was there waiting in the wings.

    Funny to think how back then the films dictated the production schedule and if an actor wasn't available they would get someone else in instead. Now with Craig it's all been flipped on its head with long waits while Craig decides whether he wants to do another.

    Actually I really think that's just a rumor. I honestly do believe that he has never been asked to return.
    Those are my thoughts as well. This is all a waiting game until the business side is sorted out first, and that will dictate who is in the frame. Money will drive this (costs as well as revenue and profitability).
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Interesting theory. So Craig probably would do another, but simply hasn't been asked?
  • barryt007barryt007
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    I would think he would have been asked,considering how close he is to Babs,and he is a safe option who would guarantee a profit of some sort.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Getafix wrote: »
    Interesting theory. So Craig probably would do another, but simply hasn't been asked?
    I don't think he's committed either way precisely because he hasn't been officially asked. Mark Strong's comments from a year or so ago pretty much hinted at this. I assume the producers want him back, but there are a few corporate elements to contend with and hurdles to jump first. I also assume that's why SP had such a convoluted and open ended finale which can be interpreted any way one wants.

    Everyone's position is therefore being hinted at and litigated (leaked?) in the press.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    This underlines the problem with the story arc approach. They can't develop the next script because there is no decision on whether their leading man is coming back.

    Go back to the stand alone adventures (which seems to suit MI fine) and problem solved.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    This ones for you @thelivingroyale
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Bring back Dalton!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Bring back Dalton!

    For the death of Bond, I would rather have Dalton than Craig.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    First hour of TLD still beats pretty much anything we've had since IMO
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Getafix wrote: »
    First hour of TLD still beats pretty much anything we've had since IMO

    I'd agree but I think the last hour or so of LTK betters it. The whole finale is so good. That final showdown in the desert after the tanker chase is my favourite scene in all of Bond.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited September 2017 Posts: 11,189
    First half of TLD great.
    Second half of LTK, mostly great.

    The tanker chase seems to hold up very well.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Getafix wrote: »
    First hour of TLD still beats pretty much anything we've had since IMO
    I think the casino scenes in CR (All the way up to ball buster) better it personally.
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    First half of TLD great.
    Second half of LTK, mostly great.

    The tanker chase seems to hold up very well.
    I agree on both counts.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    So basically all our issues with Bond could be addressed by bringing back Dalton. Case solved!
  • bondsumbondsum
    edited September 2017 Posts: 3,333
    I can only speak from a UK perspective on TMWTGG, but it had already received a poor reception from the UK critics by the time it went on general release nationwide. The cinema I saw it in was practically empty back in '74. I can still remember all the empty seats as if it were yesterday. After the phenomenal success of LALD, the huge drop in ticket sales for RM's second 007 adventure was incredibly alarming for UA - after all, they were the ones who were picking up the tab. What people tend to forget is that Moore was on the verge of being replaced for what would become TSWLM. It was only on Cubby's insistence and staking everything on Moore's third Bond, that UA relented, otherwise we could've seen Bond played by an American actor, as David Picker originally wanted for LALD. If you weren't around in this particular gloomy period, it's easy to gloss over how much trouble Bond was in after Golden Gun. You can use as many contemporary smoke and mirrors as you like, but it wasn't considered either a "good" Bond movie nor a "successful" one back in '74. Profitable, yes, but then so had every Bond movie, even Dalton's so-called flops.

    There's also some striking similarities between LTK and TMWTGG, in that their underperforming BO changed how future Bond movies would be released. After TMWTGG, the release dates were changed from their traditional Christmastime dates to Summer releases, the only exceptions being YOLT and LALD previously. Subsequently, after LTK, the release dates were changed back from Blockbuster Summer dates to Autumn/Fall dates. Both TMWTGG and LTD also shared anemic promotional campaigns that the producers blamed the studio for. The critics thought Moore was a bit of a brute in TMWTGG and received a bit of a backlash for his treatment of women in the movie. Dalton's LTK had the first 15 certificate due to the more adult themes, and that also seemed to hurt the BO.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited September 2017 Posts: 11,189
    Insightful post as always @bondsum. However, I do remember you saying that you felt Dalton's third film would NOT have been the success GoldenEye proved to be had he stayed in the role? What do you think Roger had to turn things around that Dalton didn't? I still wonder whether Roger's appeal in the US thanks to The Saint (and Dalton's relatively unknown or muted reputation) was what ultimately mattered.
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