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  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
    Posts: 2,634
    Want another big spoiler?
    The title of the film is SKYFALL.

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  • Getafix wrote:
    actonsteve wrote:
    StJamesSt wrote:
    As a 40-something guy I love the teaser. And I love Craig as Bond. But I have had one nagging doubt since CR.

    Where is that feelgood factor that I felt when I left the cinema with my Dad when I was in my teens after TSWLY or Moonraker? (whatever you think of the films now) When you wanted to do all the ridiculous action and your Dad wanted to flirt with the bus conductress on the way home.

    I hope they let Craig have a long drink by the pool moment so that there is something aspirational for us all rather than just "it's grim being a spy for perfidious Albion".

    They tried to do another MR in 2002 with DAD. If you want the series to return to that hen good for you.


    This is (with all respect) patronising twaddle. I think StJamesSt makes a completely valid point, which under different circumstances could have come from you. You seem a bit of a contrarian - arguing purely for the sake of it.

    The concern many raise about Craig is NOT that he has taken the movies in a 'different' direction (in the light of TLD and LTK, this is debatable any way) but that his depiction of Bond is so stripped of fun and enjoyment that the films actually become generic (if still entertaining) action thrillers - Bourne light, but not as good. If you think CR and QoS represent the pinacle of Bond, then fine, but if (as I believe you have stated before) you think the films have not hit their stride fully since LTK, then there is obviously something going wrong somewhere along the line. Hence the point by StJamesSt that you rubbish remains entirely relevant.

    I think this is a good take on what some don't care for about CR/QOS. But then again, MR and DAD have too much fun. Hopefully this one strikes the right balance in that respect.

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,169
    Want another big spoiler?
    The title of the film is SKYFALL.

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    Yes, very good @AgentJamesBond007 , but this is very spammy. The joke gets very stale quickly.

    ;)
  • AgentJM7 wrote:
    @Suivez_ce_parachute - Comment dirait-on "classé" en anglais? Je présumerais qu'il n'a pas la même signification que "done" dans ce contexte? Pas de grand spoilers svp!

    (Sorry, just practicing my French!)

    Here, "classé" means "affaire classée" which can be translated into "case closed".


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    Getafix wrote:
    actonsteve wrote:
    StJamesSt wrote:
    As a 40-something guy I love the teaser. And I love Craig as Bond. But I have had one nagging doubt since CR.

    Where is that feelgood factor that I felt when I left the cinema with my Dad when I was in my teens after TSWLY or Moonraker? (whatever you think of the films now) When you wanted to do all the ridiculous action and your Dad wanted to flirt with the bus conductress on the way home.

    I hope they let Craig have a long drink by the pool moment so that there is something aspirational for us all rather than just "it's grim being a spy for perfidious Albion".

    They tried to do another MR in 2002 with DAD. If you want the series to return to that hen good for you.


    This is (with all respect) patronising twaddle. I think StJamesSt makes a completely valid point, which under different circumstances could have come from you. You seem a bit of a contrarian - arguing purely for the sake of it.

    The concern many raise about Craig is NOT that he has taken the movies in a 'different' direction (in the light of TLD and LTK, this is debatable any way) but that his depiction of Bond is so stripped of fun and enjoyment that the films actually become generic (if still entertaining) action thrillers - Bourne light, but not as good. If you think CR and QoS represent the pinacle of Bond, then fine, but if (as I believe you have stated before) you think the films have not hit their stride fully since LTK, then there is obviously something going wrong somewhere along the line. Hence the point by StJamesSt that you rubbish remains entirely relevant.

    I think this is a good take on what some don't care for about CR/QOS. But then again, MR and DAD have too much fun. Hopefully this one strikes the right balance in that respect.

    I think you and Acton Steve are wilfully confusing 'fun' (which DAD definitely was not), with the lightness of tone and insouciance that we all know is one of the things that defines the screen Bond.
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    Whereabouts does the shot of Bond being strangled underwater fit into the story? Not the end of the PTS I'm sure. ;)
    I would say it must appear during the fight after the sequence inside the floating casino in Macao. The orange light make me think it is the same place. This particular shot was replaced by another one in the UK teaser which shows a second of a fight in a place with an asian sculpture in the background, enlightened by candles. I think the underwater struggle must appear just after.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    Very good analysis of the trailer at The Establishing Shot http://www.theestablishingshot.com/2012/05/establishing-shot-skyfall-teaser.html
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 1,497
    Benny wrote:
    Want another big spoiler?
    The title of the film is SKYFALL.

    Troll-face-emoticon.jpg

    Yes, very good @AgentJamesBond007 , but this is very spammy. The joke gets very stale quickly.

    ;)

    Wait...is this a joke, or truly a spoiler? If it's a joke I want to see it...is it safe to see?

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    @JBFan626, it's a simplistic joke.
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    The spoilers are drawing in me in....must....not.....click....
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 1,492
    Getafix wrote:
    They tried to do another MR in 2002 with DAD. If you want the series to return to that hen good for you.




    . I think StJamesSt makes a completely valid point, which under different circumstances could have come from you. You seem a bit of a contrarian - arguing purely for the sake of it.

    . If you think CR and QoS represent the pinacle of Bond, then fine, but if (as I believe you have stated before) you think the films have not hit their stride fully since LTK, then there is obviously something going wrong somewhere along the line. Hence the point by StJamesSt that you rubbish remains entirely relevant.

    I have?

    I think the Craig films have well and truly hit their stride. A turbo charged stride that blasts away the opposition. I though the Brosnan era didnt work but the Craig era is one of the highlights of the series in art direction, scripts and acting. The whole thing for me works wonderfully and I am looking forwared very much to Skyfall.

    Incidently, I believe it was you who were bitching the Bonds have not worked since LTK. You were blaming LTK for introducing the thriller/revenge/emo elements that you dont think work.

    And as for my DAD point?

    That stands. With DAD the producers/director wanted to go to the big bloated Roger Moore extravaganzas where the plot is secondary to the oneliners, gadgets etc. While Spy and MR have the rock hard proffessionalism of Broccoli, Ken Adam and Lewis Gilbert. They tried to go back to those days.

    And ballsed it up.

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    actonsteve wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    They tried to do another MR in 2002 with DAD. If you want the series to return to that hen good for you.




    . I think StJamesSt makes a completely valid point, which under different circumstances could have come from you. You seem a bit of a contrarian - arguing purely for the sake of it.

    . If you think CR and QoS represent the pinacle of Bond, then fine, but if (as I believe you have stated before) you think the films have not hit their stride fully since LTK, then there is obviously something going wrong somewhere along the line. Hence the point by StJamesSt that you rubbish remains entirely relevant.

    I have?

    I think the Craig films have well and truly hit their stride. A turbo charged stride that blasts away the opposition. I though the Brosnan era didnt work but the Craig era Casino Royale is one of the highlights of the series in art direction, scripts and acting. The whole thing for me works wonderfully and I am looking forwared very much to Skyfall.

    There we go :p
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    Looks like we might finally have the Chris Nolan Bond film we've always wanted!
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    Still couldn't see Blofeld in the trailer!
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 1,492
    BAIN123 wrote:
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    I think the Craig films have well and truly hit their stride. A turbo charged stride that blasts away the opposition. I though the Brosnan era didnt work but the Craig era Casino Royale is one of the highlights of the series in art direction, scripts and acting. The whole thing for me works wonderfully and I am looking forwared very much to Skyfall.


    There we go :p

    No. QoS as well. As I have said before a very underratted film.

    :-B
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    actonsteve wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
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    I think the Craig films have well and truly hit their stride. A turbo charged stride that blasts away the opposition. I though the Brosnan era didnt work but the Craig era Casino Royale is one of the highlights of the series in art direction, scripts and acting. The whole thing for me works wonderfully and I am looking forwared very much to Skyfall.


    There we go :p

    No. QoS as well. As I have said before a very underratted film.

    :-B

    I'm with Bain on this one. I loved CR but imo QOS was just as bad, if not worse, than DAD. Craig was one of the only good things about the film.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 11,189
    actonsteve wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    [

    I think the Craig films have well and truly hit their stride. A turbo charged stride that blasts away the opposition. I though the Brosnan era didnt work but the Craig era Casino Royale is one of the highlights of the series in art direction, scripts and acting. The whole thing for me works wonderfully and I am looking forwared very much to Skyfall.


    There we go :p

    No. QoS as well. As I have said before a very underratted film.

    :-B

    Na its not. Royale I can literally watch over and over. Solace? Meh. Action, average, acting...hmmm average, scenery...ok thats pretty good but in terms of which one is the better crafted, better made, better scripted film CR wins hands down.

    Its not terrible...its just bah! I've always felt that film "misses something". I felt it in 2008 and I feel it now.

    I'm not saying QoS is as bad as DAD - it isn't but it feels very underwhelming to me. Despite the cool scenery the story is just boring, the action is dotted all over the place, the song is mediocre, the characters are mainly bland and the entire film is an extremely...meh experience.

    Give me GE or CR ANY day of the week :p At least I walk out of those with a smile on my face.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Just read the Establishing Shots descriptive; thanks Sandy! That was really good.
    My very favorite part is:
    Bond has identified a problem: Some men are coming to kill us
    But not to worry as he has a solution: We’re going to kill them first.

    That just made me smile. I cannot wait for this and how I wish I could see it in IMAX! I am now seriously considering taking my hard earned pitiful savings and getting to London to see this film. But that is crazy talk ... I just know I will watch it as many times as I can (at about $20 a pop) for the two weeks it will be shown here in my area of Japan, in English. And it will be worth it - as James would say: "Every penny of it."

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited May 2012 Posts: 15,723
    Yes Casino Royale is a very well-made film.... but it's just a very bad Bond film. Brosnan's films were not as well made, but they were imo much more 'Bondian', and far better Bond films.
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Na its not. Royale I can literally watch over and over. Solace? Meh. Action, average, acting...hmmm average, scenery...ok thats pretty good but in terms of which one is the better crafted, better made, better scripted film CR wins hands down.

    Its not terrible...its just bah! I've always felt that film "misses something". I felt it in 2008 and I feel it now.

    The more I watch QoS the more I get out of it. Its very adult. The progression of the characters is very nuanced but each one is well drawn.

    I am not an obvious film, it takes work but it is worth it. Little gem.
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    I've never seen an IMAX film before, so I've decided to go and see Batman and SF in IMAX this year. Really looking forward to it.
  • Getafix wrote:
    The guy falling in Shanghai has a Hitchcockian feel to it - like the credits in Vertigo (?). (...) Having just read someone else on another thread make the Vertigo connection, I am wondering if Mendes might not have made a deliberate reference to the film. FRWL (which he says is an inspiration for SF) heavily borrows from North By North West. I am wondering if this could be Bond's homage to Vertigo.
    I removed the last line that was the only spoilerish line I think.

    First, to answer the (?), the enduring image of the falling silhouette is not in the credits of Vertigo, but very shortly in the nightmare sequence. It's quite spectacular that so many people remember this two seconds so well, actually (even though this image is a bit similar to the original poster of the movie, but I don't even remember myself having ever seen the original poster). Don't forget Casino Royale's credits too,though, there's also a falling silhouette, those motion is closer to what we see in this trailer !

    And back to the topic, in the French dubbing/translation of this trailer, I was quite surprised to hear that "Some men are coming to kill us" had been translated into "On a des tueurs aux trousses".

    It's a very rare French colloquialism, that I've probably never heard ever in real life (I don't know any professional murderer though !). But Google "Aux trousses", or even better, Google Image it, and you'll find out that its only noticeable use was in "La Mort aux trousses", the French (successful, I'd say) translation of.... "North by Northwest". Really, using nowadays in movie "... aux trousses" in a movie means you want to refer to Hitchcock, in my opinion. It's a bit like using "bons baisers de ..." (="from ... with love") when you want to refer to Bond. You may find in Google another movie "L'Amour aux trousses", which is a straightforward pun on the Hitchcock movie.

    Did the translator also felt the Hitchcock element in what he saw... ?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited May 2012 Posts: 41,011
    I enjoy QoS. I've never understood the hate for it. I'm not extremely crazy about the story, but the action progression is very good, and I enjoyed it.

    @thelivingroyale, that's cool. I planned on seeing SF in IMAX on opening night, but I just want to go to a traditional theater for my first viewing. Probably the Alamo close by. Plus, I'll be in college again at the time, so the closest IMAX theater will be hours and hours away.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 11,189
    actonsteve wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Na its not. Royale I can literally watch over and over. Solace? Meh. Action, average, acting...hmmm average, scenery...ok thats pretty good but in terms of which one is the better crafted, better made, better scripted film CR wins hands down.

    Its not terrible...its just bah! I've always felt that film "misses something". I felt it in 2008 and I feel it now.

    The more I watch QoS the more I get out of it. Its very adult. The progression of the characters is very nuanced but each one is well drawn.

    I am not an obvious film, it takes work but it is worth it. Little gem.

    If I want to watch an "adult" Bond film I'll watch FRWL or OHMSS. At least the characters are more memorable, the story arcs are more engaging and the action isn't frustratingly edited.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Contrary to what many here believe, I have no problems with CR and QOS as films... imo they are very well made films, 2 of the best of the last decade..... but as 'Bond films', they are total failures. I don't find an ounce of Bondness in both films, apart from a character named James Bond who has nothing in common with the original character.
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    Yes Casino Royale is a very well-made film.... but it's just a very bad Bond film. Brosnan's films were not as well made, but they were imo much more 'Bondian', and far better Bond films.

    Even if you were right and CR was less Bondian than the Brosnan films, I need to ask you: do you rather watch a crap film filled with Bondian elements or a well made film with just a few things that are Bondian?
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 11,189
    There's "bits" of Bondness in each but the problem I have with Quantum is that the story/action just doesn't keep the attention.

    Royale feels complete...it feels rich, it feels like a properly made MOVIE. Solace feels a bit like an"add-on" for some reason. The action annoys me too.

    A good sequel should work BOTH on its own and as part of a double-bill.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited May 2012 Posts: 15,723
    Yes Casino Royale is a very well-made film.... but it's just a very bad Bond film. Brosnan's films were not as well made, but they were imo much more 'Bondian', and far better Bond films.

    Even if you were right and CR was less Bondian than the Brosnan films, I need to ask you: do you rather watch a crap film filled with Bondian elements or a well made film with just a few things that are Bondian?

    When I watch a Bond movie, I expect to watch a Bond movie. I don't care if the movie is crap or well-made, as long as it's Bond, with all the Bondian elements, I am pleased. Well-made film without an ounce of Bondness like CR may well be a good film, but is a total failure as a Bond film. Crap or good, I want Bond !, and CR falls flat on it's head in that regard.

    As a film, CR is a 10/10, as a Bond film, CR is a 1/10. and for me the most important is whether or not the film is Bondian..... which CR is definatly not... imo of course.
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    i cant find the shot in the trailer where Bond punches a guy in the casino - ive seen a screengrab but it dosent seem to actually be in the trailer.
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    The next IMAX for me is 300 km away X( considering making a trip to a friend, who livs close. What are frinds there for, eh? ;)
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