Skyfall - Teaser Trailer - Discussion Thread

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  • edited May 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Of course, they could. Show Corraine running for her life in the woods intercut with shots of Drax making his speech in space. Maybe throw in the odd shot of Rog looking terrified in the centrefuge and end with the shot of what's his name yelling at the camera in his samari mask.

    Oh and you'd have to include the moment where Jaws takes off his costume in the alleyway at the Rio carnaval.

    Hey presto, different MR.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Yes, but MR was not preceeded by CR and QoS, so there was no track record of relatively humourless films. And if this trailer isn't supposed to give a taste of what SF is like, then what is it?
  • Posts: 6,601
    Benny wrote:
    Just had a look at the views for the Skyfall teaser trailer on YouTube.
    In roughly 48 hours it has four and a half million views.
    Is that high?

    I think it is, yes.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Germanlady wrote:
    Maybe this discussion should continue in the Bond thread or where ever. Its non topic by now...

    ..It would be great to not have EVERY thread became a homerun for 2 or 3 people discussing the same ole over and over again. Fact is - when you go through this thread, you can notice, that people TRY to get back on topic, discuss the trailer, but its being interrupted again and again by the same people repeating themselves.

    The discussion remains centred around the trailer and the tone it sets.

    Please stop trying to constantly close down discussions by other people.
  • Posts: 11,425
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Why must the same users dive into the same arguments on every thread :|

    Opinion: I liked the trailer.
    Other Opinion: I didn't like the trailer.
    Question: Why?
    Response: Because its new and bold and conveys a very striking tone that I hope the movie embodies.
    Other Response: Because its too different, and I fear that the filmmakers are losing sight on the character the films, and not the books, have created.

    And Fin.

    Why must it get worse than that?

    Er, because that's not what any one is saying?

    I entirely welcome the change in direction since DC took over. I like the look of CR and QoS. I thought QoS was BETTER than CR, but like DC and BB I think they didn't capture the humour of Bond and the SF trailer suggests that might still be the case. That is what I and others are saying about the DC era. He himself seems to agree.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 6,601
    Getafix wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Why must the same users dive into the same arguments on every thread :|

    Opinion: I liked the trailer.
    Other Opinion: I didn't like the trailer.
    Question: Why?
    Response: Because its new and bold and conveys a very striking tone that I hope the movie embodies.
    Other Response: Because its too different, and I fear that the filmmakers are losing sight on the character the films, and not the books, have created.

    And Fin.

    Why must it get worse than that?

    Appearantly I am not the only one complaining - apart from those, who don't even bother anymore.
    MrEon wrote:
    Well said young Lady.....er.. "GermanLady".. sorry!! :-B

    You guys maqnage to turn EVERY topic into your private playground. You start on topic and as sure as today is Wednesday, you will be right back on the same ole after a few posts.

    Its not even anymore about agreeing or not - its about being forced to read through your repetetive posts in order to get to the better stuff. THIS is what I am complaining about...
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    Getafix wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Why must the same users dive into the same arguments on every thread :|

    Opinion: I liked the trailer.
    Other Opinion: I didn't like the trailer.
    Question: Why?
    Response: Because its new and bold and conveys a very striking tone that I hope the movie embodies.
    Other Response: Because its too different, and I fear that the filmmakers are losing sight on the character the films, and not the books, have created.

    And Fin.

    Why must it get worse than that?

    Er, because that's not what any one is saying?

    I entirely welcome the change in direction since DC took over. I like the look of CR and QoS. I thought QoS was BETTER than CR, but like DC and BB I think they didn't capture the humour of Bond and the SF trailer suggests that might still be the case. That is what I and others are saying about the DC era. He himself seems to agree.

    Well it really comes down to your definition of 'the humour of Bond'.

    Fleming didn't use humour in his books.
    In the 60s films the humour was all about occassional one liners, or the black humour which came from the inventive ways they killed off the various bad guys.

    In the 70s there were more visual gags, awful puns or double entendres. This carried on to the end of Moore's tenure with the Abbott & Costelow tribute on top of the fire engine in AVTAK.

    Dalton's films went back to occassional one liners ( as badly delivered as Connery's were good), and Brosnan maintained that trend but some visual gags returned although less blatant than the Moore era.

    Soo, we have seen two dozen examples of one liners nicely delivered by Craig, and we have seen visual gags as well (eg the car alarms being set off in CR). But if non of that is 'the humour of Bond', then what is?
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 11,425
    NicNac wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Why must the same users dive into the same arguments on every thread :|

    Opinion: I liked the trailer.
    Other Opinion: I didn't like the trailer.
    Question: Why?
    Response: Because its new and bold and conveys a very striking tone that I hope the movie embodies.
    Other Response: Because its too different, and I fear that the filmmakers are losing sight on the character the films, and not the books, have created.

    And Fin.

    Why must it get worse than that?

    Er, because that's not what any one is saying?

    I entirely welcome the change in direction since DC took over. I like the look of CR and QoS. I thought QoS was BETTER than CR, but like DC and BB I think they didn't capture the humour of Bond and the SF trailer suggests that might still be the case. That is what I and others are saying about the DC era. He himself seems to agree.

    Well it really comes down to your definition of 'the humour of Bond'.

    Fleming didn't use humour in his books.
    In the 60s films the humour was all about occassional one liners, or the black humour which came from the inventive ways they killed off the various bad guys.

    In the 70s there were more visual gags, awful puns or double entendres. This carried on to the end of Moore's tenure with the Abbott & Costelow tribute on top of the fire engine in AVTAK.

    Dalton's films went back to occassional one liners ( as badly delivered as Connery's were good), and Brosnan maintained that trend but some visual gags returned although less blatant than the Moore era.

    Soo, we have seen two dozen examples of one liners nicely delivered by Craig, and we have seen visual gags as well (eg the car alarms being set off in CR). But if non of that is 'the humour of Bond', then what is?

    If you don't know after watching 22 Bond films, then I probably can't help you.

    Try asking Daniel Craig (from Univex via Total Film):

    "We couldn't shut up,” Craig recalled. “It was a chance for us to re-read Ian Fleming, and we started emailing each other, 'What about this and what about this?', and that's how it snowballed."

    Though the duo weren’t giving away any plot points during their chat at the Ciragan Palace on the banks of the Bosphorus, they insisted that after the dourness of Quantum Of Solace, Skyfall would put a spring back in Bond’s step.

    007 will have a ‘rich’ romantic life and will be bringing the funny back. “He’s as funny as hell in this movie,” Craig assured.

    “You have to have a script that has the bones of comedy,” Craig tells us. “Comedy in Bond films, for me, comes out of the situations people get into. They're exciting, and hopefully heart-stopping, and the comedy comes out of one-liners and things. When Sam [Mendes] came in, it was key for all of us that there's a lightness of touch in the writing that's not been as evident in the past two.”

    Producer Barbara Broccoli agrees. “It's got those situations where you think, 'You could only see this in a Bond movie,'” she adds. “That's where the wit comes into it.”
  • Posts: 11,189
    “You have to have a script that has the bones of comedy,” Craig tells us. “Comedy in Bond films, for me, comes out of the situations people get into. They're exciting, and hopefully heart-stopping, and the comedy comes out of one-liners and things. When Sam [Mendes] came in, it was key for all of us that there's a lightness of touch in the writing that's not been as evident in the past two.”

    Producer Barbara Broccoli agrees. “It's got those situations where you think, 'You could only see this in a Bond movie,'” she adds. “That's where the wit comes into it.”

    Clearly Craig ramming the car into the fence in CR was meant to be dead serious according to him :p
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 11,425
    BAIN123 wrote:
    “You have to have a script that has the bones of comedy,” Craig tells us. “Comedy in Bond films, for me, comes out of the situations people get into. They're exciting, and hopefully heart-stopping, and the comedy comes out of one-liners and things. When Sam [Mendes] came in, it was key for all of us that there's a lightness of touch in the writing that's not been as evident in the past two.”

    Producer Barbara Broccoli agrees. “It's got those situations where you think, 'You could only see this in a Bond movie,'” she adds. “That's where the wit comes into it.”

    Clearly Craig ramming the car into the fence in CR was meant to be dead serious according to him :p

    No one is saying that there was NO humour in CR and QoS, it's just that they were all too brief flashes. I have zero doubt that DC will chew up some good opportunities for humour if he is given them. It seems that DC also feels his first two outings were quite dour and would be happy to see a lighter tone (where appropriate). Once again, for the sake of the contrarians, that doesn't mean you have to have winking pigeons or giant lasers - it means genuine, cleverly scripted and well delivered humour, wit and a lightness of touch. Most of all, for me, I want to see Bond actually enjoying himself. This doesn't actually require "jokes" in inverted commas, but a general tone and feel that some of us (perhaps only me) recognise as one of the things that actually defines the screen Bond and distinguishes him from Bourne et al.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Yes Casino Royale is a very well-made film.... but it's just a very bad Bond film. Brosnan's films were not as well made, but they were imo much more 'Bondian', and far better Bond films.

    That's because the Brosnan era were box-ticking, cliche vehicles. They were films that forced the familiarity of older Bond films down the throats of the audience. It was business as usual with little effort to make the films better than what they were. GE is the only Bond film from that era that's worth a damn IMO.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Getafix wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    “You have to have a script that has the bones of comedy,” Craig tells us. “Comedy in Bond films, for me, comes out of the situations people get into. They're exciting, and hopefully heart-stopping, and the comedy comes out of one-liners and things. When Sam [Mendes] came in, it was key for all of us that there's a lightness of touch in the writing that's not been as evident in the past two.”

    Producer Barbara Broccoli agrees. “It's got those situations where you think, 'You could only see this in a Bond movie,'” she adds. “That's where the wit comes into it.”

    Clearly Craig ramming the car into the fence in CR was meant to be dead serious according to him :p

    No one is saying that there was NO humour in CR and QoS, it's just that they were all too brief flashes. I have zero doubt that DC will chew up some good opportunities for humour if he is given them. It seems that DC also feels his first two outings were quite dour and would be happy to see a lighter tone (where appropriate). Once again, for the sake of the contrarians, that doesn't mean you have to have winking pigeons or giant lasers - it means genuine, cleverly scripted and well delivered humour, wit and a lightness of touch. Most of all, for me, I want to see Bond actually enjoying himself. This doesn't actually require "jokes" in inverted commas, but a general tone and feel that some of us (perhaps only me) recognise as one of the things that actually defines the screen Bond and distinguishes him from Bourne et al.

    You wouldn't get Bourne crashing a car into a fence to get back at the driver who was rude to him. Neither would you get Bourne wining and dining on a train or in a hotel right after a high stakes card game. Those things are VERY Bond-esque.

    A quite nice interview with Campbell:



    I love his voice too :D
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    [
    Getafix wrote:
    NicNac wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Why must the same users dive into the same arguments on every thread :|

    Opinion: I liked the trailer.
    Other Opinion: I didn't like the trailer.
    Question: Why?
    Response: Because its new and bold and conveys a very striking tone that I hope the movie embodies.
    Other Response: Because its too different, and I fear that the filmmakers are losing sight on the character the films, and not the books, have created.

    And Fin.

    Why must it get worse than that?

    Er, because that's not what any one is saying?

    I entirely welcome the change in direction since DC took over. I like the look of CR and QoS. I thought QoS was BETTER than CR, but like DC and BB I think they didn't capture the humour of Bond and the SF trailer suggests that might still be the case. That is what I and others are saying about the DC era. He himself seems to agree.

    Well it really comes down to your definition of 'the humour of Bond'.

    Fleming didn't use humour in his books.
    In the 60s films the humour was all about occassional one liners, or the black humour which came from the inventive ways they killed off the various bad guys.

    In the 70s there were more visual gags, awful puns or double entendres. This carried on to the end of Moore's tenure with the Abbott & Costelow tribute on top of the fire engine in AVTAK.

    Dalton's films went back to occassional one liners ( as badly delivered as Connery's were good), and Brosnan maintained that trend but some visual gags returned although less blatant than the Moore era.

    Soo, we have seen two dozen examples of one liners nicely delivered by Craig, and we have seen visual gags as well (eg the car alarms being set off in CR). But if non of that is 'the humour of Bond', then what is?

    If you don't know after watching 22 Bond films, then I probably can't help you.
    Try asking Daniel Craig (from Univex via Total Film):

    "We couldn't shut up,” Craig recalled. “It was a chance for us to re-read Ian Fleming, and we started emailing each other, 'What about this and what about this?', and that's how it snowballed."

    Though the duo weren’t giving away any plot points during their chat at the Ciragan Palace on the banks of the Bosphorus, they insisted that after the dourness of Quantum Of Solace, Skyfall would put a spring back in Bond’s step.

    007 will have a ‘rich’ romantic life and will be bringing the funny back. “He’s as funny as hell in this movie,” Craig assured.

    “You have to have a script that has the bones of comedy,” Craig tells us. “Comedy in Bond films, for me, comes out of the situations people get into. They're exciting, and hopefully heart-stopping, and the comedy comes out of one-liners and things. When Sam [Mendes] came in, it was key for all of us that there's a lightness of touch in the writing that's not been as evident in the past two.”

    Producer Barbara Broccoli agrees. “It's got those situations where you think, 'You could only see this in a Bond movie,'” she adds. “That's where the wit comes into it.”

    Well bless you @Getafix, and thanks for the lesson. I've been watching Bond since the early 70s so I've had quite a schooling in the subject.

    I think my point was that 'the humour of Bond' is quite a wide ranging subect, and although I understand DC and BBs points about the films Bond humour does encompass double taking pigeons as well as throw away lines.

    Craig saying 'the comedy comes out of one liners and things' but I find that sort of vague.

    I understand and appreciate the history of humour in Bond, but we tend to come back to the same thing. Crummy and bad one liners that sound great if well delivered, but when badly delivered reminds one of the office clown who makes bad jokes but thinks they are funny (Step forward Pierce).

    A more light hearted, easy on the eye film like TLD was exciting but the jokes were bad and the delivery was bad and the humour fell flat because of it. CR had less humour but what there was was funnier than TLD because Craig simply delivered the lines better.

    If there is humour in SF and I'm sure there will be it won't be seen in a 2 minute trailer, because you can't put that sort of thing accross under those conditions. For all we know in the film when Bond walks up to the one way glass he probably crosses his eyes and sticks his tongue out.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 6,709
    BAIN123 wrote:


    Totally disagree with you about TLD CR, which is, IMO, a classic Bond movie, with all the essential ingredients, including humour and light, all present and correct. As I've said on countless occassions before, Dalton's Craigs performance in TLD CR is not defined by 'darkness' or a 'lack of lightness of tone', although he certainly plays it a lot more straight than Sir Rog generally did. The opening scene of TLD CR is a little Bond masterpiece of high tension and humour and sets up the tone of the film perfectly. LTK QoS is a different matter and I think we could dispute all day whether 'people still like' that one (which is not to say that I don't appreciate it).


    That IS very interesting. In a way, there are many similitudes between TLD/LTK and CR/QOS, even the south american angle on the second one and the more european tone in the first. I guess SF will be like having the third Dalton film afterall ;)

    About Fleming not using humour in his novels, cmon, even some titles are humouristic. And the macabre and dark humour is very british in many many ways.

    About the SF trailer: what I still find interesting about Craig´s performance is that, through little mannerisms, you can sense what he´s trying to convey. Brosnan would exagerate it by making his choke-fart- squint eyed - deniro face (hey, I love the guy alright?). Moore could do everything with the eyebrow (which, let´s face it, was the better actor - his eyebrow, I mean). Dalton would be theatrical about it (love Dalton as well). Connery would have the coolest of grinns on his face. And Lanzenby would charge for the extra "acting". Thing is, Craig is different, which, NOW, is very cool.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 11,189
    NicNac wrote:
    I understand and appreciate the history of humour in Bond, but we tend to come back to the same thing. Crummy and bad one liners that sound great if well delivered, but when badly delivered reminds one of the office clown who makes bad jokes but thinks they are funny (Step forward Pierce).

    Aww. Poor Pierce but that did make me laugh :)) :))
  • Posts: 18
    I've enjoyed reading all the comments about humour and lightness of touch. My comment about a child and parent coming out of the cinema is probably driven a bit by a concern about the level of violence ... probably just in the same way that parents in the 60s and 70s were worried about the sexy raciness of the films. But we all got used to it, moved on and loved them. I'm probably just getting old and as previous contributors have said so will our kids ... Lol
  • Posts: 18
    And when I say child I mean teenager before the toys come tumbling down on my head ;-)
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    I'm as guilty as anyone for de-railing this thread. Maybe we should get back on topic.
    ;)
  • Posts: 18
    The teaser is very good. Lol. Did anyone spot Albert Finney?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    StJamesSt wrote:
    The teaser is very good. Lol. Did anyone spot Albert Finney?

    Due to the screen grab. yes. If not for that I think many, including me, would have missed him.
  • Posts: 18
    Is that him in the background as the blast comes through the wall at 00.53 ...? Wow hard to see.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited May 2012 Posts: 15,718
    Finney looks like Santa Claus !!
  • Posts: 6,601
    Maybe he was held captive there...
  • Posts: 11,425
    I missed Finney. Will have to re-watch.
  • Posts: 11,425
    NicNac wrote:
    [
    Getafix wrote:
    NicNac wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Why must the same users dive into the same arguments on every thread :|

    Opinion: I liked the trailer.
    Other Opinion: I didn't like the trailer.
    Question: Why?
    Response: Because its new and bold and conveys a very striking tone that I hope the movie embodies.
    Other Response: Because its too different, and I fear that the filmmakers are losing sight on the character the films, and not the books, have created.

    And Fin.

    Why must it get worse than that?

    Er, because that's not what any one is saying?

    I entirely welcome the change in direction since DC took over. I like the look of CR and QoS. I thought QoS was BETTER than CR, but like DC and BB I think they didn't capture the humour of Bond and the SF trailer suggests that might still be the case. That is what I and others are saying about the DC era. He himself seems to agree.

    Well it really comes down to your definition of 'the humour of Bond'.

    Fleming didn't use humour in his books.
    In the 60s films the humour was all about occassional one liners, or the black humour which came from the inventive ways they killed off the various bad guys.

    In the 70s there were more visual gags, awful puns or double entendres. This carried on to the end of Moore's tenure with the Abbott & Costelow tribute on top of the fire engine in AVTAK.

    Dalton's films went back to occassional one liners ( as badly delivered as Connery's were good), and Brosnan maintained that trend but some visual gags returned although less blatant than the Moore era.

    Soo, we have seen two dozen examples of one liners nicely delivered by Craig, and we have seen visual gags as well (eg the car alarms being set off in CR). But if non of that is 'the humour of Bond', then what is?

    If you don't know after watching 22 Bond films, then I probably can't help you.
    Try asking Daniel Craig (from Univex via Total Film):

    "We couldn't shut up,” Craig recalled. “It was a chance for us to re-read Ian Fleming, and we started emailing each other, 'What about this and what about this?', and that's how it snowballed."

    Though the duo weren’t giving away any plot points during their chat at the Ciragan Palace on the banks of the Bosphorus, they insisted that after the dourness of Quantum Of Solace, Skyfall would put a spring back in Bond’s step.

    007 will have a ‘rich’ romantic life and will be bringing the funny back. “He’s as funny as hell in this movie,” Craig assured.

    “You have to have a script that has the bones of comedy,” Craig tells us. “Comedy in Bond films, for me, comes out of the situations people get into. They're exciting, and hopefully heart-stopping, and the comedy comes out of one-liners and things. When Sam [Mendes] came in, it was key for all of us that there's a lightness of touch in the writing that's not been as evident in the past two.”

    Producer Barbara Broccoli agrees. “It's got those situations where you think, 'You could only see this in a Bond movie,'” she adds. “That's where the wit comes into it.”

    Well bless you @Getafix, and thanks for the lesson. I've been watching Bond since the early 70s so I've had quite a schooling in the subject.

    I think my point was that 'the humour of Bond' is quite a wide ranging subect, and although I understand DC and BBs points about the films Bond humour does encompass double taking pigeons as well as throw away lines.

    Craig saying 'the comedy comes out of one liners and things' but I find that sort of vague.

    I understand and appreciate the history of humour in Bond, but we tend to come back to the same thing. Crummy and bad one liners that sound great if well delivered, but when badly delivered reminds one of the office clown who makes bad jokes but thinks they are funny (Step forward Pierce).

    A more light hearted, easy on the eye film like TLD was exciting but the jokes were bad and the delivery was bad and the humour fell flat because of it. CR had less humour but what there was was funnier than TLD because Craig simply delivered the lines better.

    If there is humour in SF and I'm sure there will be it won't be seen in a 2 minute trailer, because you can't put that sort of thing accross under those conditions. For all we know in the film when Bond walks up to the one way glass he probably crosses his eyes and sticks his tongue out.

    Yes, well sorry for the patronising tone, but I was getting a little p****** with the general inability to concede a valid point - i.e. that in the view of many the DC era has lacked a little lightness of touch. A point which, as far as I can see, has also been made by by Craig himself. As for the definition of what Bondian humour is, yes I agree it encompasses a range of things, but there wasn't a lot of it in either CR or QoS. I, like many, would like to see a tad more of not just jokes, but of Bond enjoying himself. Any way, I think we basically agree.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 12,837
    BAIN123 wrote:

    Totally disagree with you about TLD CR, which is, IMO, a classic Bond movie, with all the essential ingredients, including humour and light, all present and correct. As I've said on countless occassions before, Dalton's Craigs performance in TLD CR is not defined by 'darkness' or a 'lack of lightness of tone', although he certainly plays it a lot more straight than Sir Rog generally did. The opening scene of TLD CR is a little Bond masterpiece of high tension and humour and sets up the tone of the film perfectly. LTK QoS is a different matter and I think we could dispute all day whether 'people still like' that one (which is not to say that I don't appreciate it).

    Just some minor changes :p

    If the opening of CR doesn't set the tone for the film I don't know what does.

    I don't see much humour in the CR PTS (I like the film, but for the record I think TLD is better).


    Anyway, I've been trying not to go into this one with high expectations after I was let down by QOS, but damn this looks awesome.

  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    Getafix wrote:
    Yes, well sorry for the patronising tone, but I was getting a little p****** with the general inability to concede a valid point - i.e. that in the view of many the DC era has lacked a little lightness of touch. A point which, as far as I can see, has also been made by by Craig himself. As for the definition of what Bondian humour is, yes I agree it encompasses a range of things, but there wasn't a lot of it in either CR or QoS. I, like many, would like to see a tad more of not just jokes, but of Bond enjoying himself. Any way, I think we basically agree.

    Yes, I think we do. ;-)
    I have always enjoyed the light hearted moments in Bond. I have a sneaky feeling Sf will deliver.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    Wait, where is Finney? Is he the one standing over Bond's shoulder when he is reloading the assault rifle in the lodge? I'm still not 100% sure who the old couple was, or who Finney's character even is, so a "yes" or "no" would work to that question.
  • Posts: 306
    NONE of this is off-topic. This is a Bond fan site and people are discussing very different visions of what a Bond movie should be - in regards to a 'dark' teaser trailer. How is that off-topic? Is 22 pages of people talking about how great the trailer is really that fascinating? And correction, GL, this is YOUR "private playground" and you want to shout down anyone who doesn't play the way you want. No one is forcing you to read every post on every thread.
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Wait, where is Finney? Is he the one standing over Bond's shoulder when he is reloading the assault rifle in the lodge? I'm still not 100% sure who the old couple was, or who Finney's character even is, so a "yes" or "no" would work to that question.

    Its Dench and Finney, Creasy. Or this is what people say regarding to Finney.

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