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and I am tired of the Craig fanboys continuously dismissing any criticism on Craig and his films, because obviously his films are perfect and cannot be criticized, and anyone who don't agree with the Craig fans are 'wrong'.
that is basicly what the Craig fanboys keep doing post after post.
and I didn't disagree with his opinion because there wasn't any opinions in his post.
and don't follow their attitude my brother...just behave like the person in your avatar, calm and suave, no need to judge other people comment
It might not be entirely fair to call it Bourne Royale, but IMO the editing and the tone of the movie resemble Bourne. The toilet fight in the PTS in an example of this.
There are obviously alot of things that are very different from Bourne (the love stuff, card game, the great chase in Madascar, the. locations and the way those were filmed).
QOS was IMO even more Bournesque. And the whole Bond Begins idea feels alot like a Batman rip off.
DC007, you may want to read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
I would pay particular attention to the following:
"...there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress."
I hope that you'll accept this as constructive criticism.
I think unlike QOS, CR is it's own film and is very original (although Vespers death underwater did remind me of Marie's death in Supremacy a tiny bit).
Marie got shot in the head. How do they compare minus the water? Do people just purposely try to make Bourne connections every chance they get?
That was actually what reminded me of it, the girl the main character loved was dead and there was an underwater scene during/after. I'm not saying they ripped it off, just saying it reminded me of it. It also reminded me of other films though, the cage underwater reminded me of Jaws.
Yeah some people compare every little thing to Bourne. It's like I said on the SF teaser thread, they're both different and they can both be enjoyed.
I wish more people understood that.
I think they rebooted it BECAUSE of Bourne, but didn't take any inspiration FOR the film. They stepped up their game because of Bourne but didn't copy it.
I do think Eon rebooted it because of Batman Begins, released the year before. And they were lucky enough to have just gotten the rights to CR, so they already had the template for "Bond Begins."
That is a faulty statement, I must say. To rationalize that the reboot only happened because of Batman Begins and Bourne is just plain baseless. Brosnan ran out of steam, and like a dog with rabies, needed to be put down. The films got progressively worse and with DAD the final shot was issued. EON realized people were getting sick of the OTT Bond and brought it back down to Earth like they had to do with Tim post AVTAK. Bourne and Batman had no effect on that, and I am glad both happened because now we have some of the greatest fictional adaptions out there, and it showed Bond that he needed to step it up.
Things are out of hand :/
(I meant with DaltonCraig and a few others personally attacking other members, telling them their comments were crap and to stop posting) :)
Bond going strong for 50 years. Bourne ran out of steam after 3 films - the third film was showing it.
Bourne was influenced by Bond - no question. It's not the other way around.
The World Is Not Enough. I thaught nice to see we go back more to Twine then DAD but there stil be some responsible's for DAD (M her line about promotion.) I remember that i have read there going to be a chacter with the name Vesper who going to die, but i can't remember this when i saw the movie. So i expect mabey a litle bit OHMSS also.
So that be a big disapointed when the movie turn in more violence, the Twine feeling/promises we got but i mis more drama with the Vesper story line.
Teaser QOS:
I look to it with a element of doubt because of the disapointed previous movie. Like some people i expect a revenge movie and ask my self or i whant part of the Bond franchise.
The result be a suprise again, but a postive one. This not in the first place going about revenge but about Bond his releation with M. Since QOS first view, some part of the puzzle falls on his place, one thing be that i like/understand Mathis chacter a litle bit more and QOS (and Skyfall teaser), show finaly some sings of Bond his los of Vesper.
QOS is like Sam Mendes discripe his opnion about Bond vs present day the hide detais are a great thing but also hard one sometimes. The hard part of the puzzle is the wait.. and not everthing look great. I think at the moment there whant give us another Tomorrow Never Dies. What worried me is the way how, wil Eon go further for this then CR or Octopussy or is this a make up also. I understand the DC era wil be a mirror, inspyred by Harry Potter franchise.
Stil there be something from CR i don't like and i have wished we get more Vesper and don't understand the violence of CR in the beginning of the movie.
Skyfall teaser:
Confirmd for me Eon contunes..
Agreed, and I have also read her saying something about this. But, as Brady reminded us, they were aiming for a more down to earth direction anyway. But I really think Bourne and Batman Begins influenced this. A more FYEO-esque movie could have been the result instead, with Q, Moneypenny and all that.
And I don't think Brosnan ran out of steam. All his movies earned loads of money. As he said himself, B&M called him and said "we are so happy about the success, we want you back". And later they changed their minds, how come?...Hmm...
Then I saw a couple of pictures from when they were filming and I thought, okay, he actually looks better - even in the photos he seems to have more presence. But something that made me think that this Craig guy had potential was something that a reporter said. He was on a set visit in the Bahamas and watched a bit of filming. He raved about Craig and said that for the first time since Connery you could believe that he could be surrounded by a room full of guards and beat them all up. As I think that Bond being a physically able agent is important to believing what you see on screen I thought "Well, at least there's that".
Then when I saw the teaser trailer I was blown away - the choral version of the Bond theme literally sent shivers up my spine. Craig seemed transformed - even in the trailer he seemed a completely different guy from what I expected (note to self - there's a thing called acting). My girlfriend at the time actually said "Oh my God!" after the trailer was over - she was an acting prof and had that common attitude that anything popular or mainstream was likely bad. But even she was blown away by the teaser!
With QoS I thought the teaser leaned too heavily towards action but it still looked good - it's a teaser after all, not a full trailer. Like the trailer for CR I was blown away by how beautiful the shots were; those two films looked miles ahead of the previous films in terms of cinematography. I also loved the fact that they were continuing the story from CR - a brave move for the series.
So very true.
What I liked about the QOS trailer though is that it made enough references to CR and I was excited because unlike DAF, I knew we were going to get a real sequel instead of ignorance. Ultimately, QOS succeeds despite the unfinished script because at least the all important aspects of Vesper and QUANTUM are covered, now as to the rest of the movie, it's obviously a matter of personal taste.
NEITHER ARE REALLY INFLUENCED BY THE OTHER!
It's not a competition, both are good and can BOTH be enjoyed.
Very rational view in my opinion. Regarding reboots, EON was very clearly to me not influenced by those. The facts are, they finally got the rights to film CR, which is Bond at his beginning. It was only natural that if they chose to use Fleming's source story (unlike TSWLM and MR) it was also natural to make a movie that portrayed Bond in the earliest sense, as an unpolished killing machine who has to learn on the job and who makes critical mistakes a seasoned agent does not. To argue otherwise is fairly illogical.