›

Politically Correct Bond Moves

TouchMyButtonsTouchMyButtons Banned
edited May 2012 in Bond Movies Posts: 228
I can name a few, the transition of M becoming a woman in 1995's goldeneye.

Felix becoming black in CR.

Halle Berry's appearance in DAD , not to mention she beats up numerous men who are much larger in size than her.

The removal of Bond slapping women from Moore onward.


Can anybody else think of any?

The ren
«13

Comments

  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited May 2012 Posts: 2,629
    Judy Dench as M.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    CR had scenes cut out with Dan smoking a cigar/cigarette.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    CR had scenes cut out with Dan smoking a cigar/cigarette.

    Whaaaaat? Really? Is the footage still around?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Creasy47 wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    CR had scenes cut out with Dan smoking a cigar/cigarette.

    Whaaaaat? Really? Is the footage still around?

    I just read it once. Here's an article:
    http://www.exposay.com/smoking-is-prohibited-on-casino-royale-says-007-star-daniel-craig/v/4832/

    I remember reading that smoking scenes were cut, but I could be wrong.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    That's a real shame to read. Would have enjoyed seeing Bond smoke again.

    And look, another article where the writer appears to believe that vodka martinis are completely gone from the Bond series, just because a deal was signed with Heineken. History will repeat itself, and here we are, six years later, with journalists, writers, bloggers, and the like believing the exact same thing.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Creasy47 wrote:
    That's a real shame to read. Would have enjoyed seeing Bond smoke again.

    And look, another article where the writer appears to believe that vodka martinis are completely gone from the Bond series, just because a deal was signed with Heineken. History will repeat itself, and here we are, six years later, with journalists, writers, bloggers, and the like believing the exact same thing.
    It's just people looking for things to complain about. Dan sounded angry over the whole "no smoking" deal too.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    Yes, he did. I suppose he did and didn't have a point with that statement: sure, it's understandable that it's okay for him to blow away bad guys with no problem to younger viewers, and smoking is too harsh...

    ...but, smoking is more readily available (and 1,000x more legal) for younger kids than it would be to acquire a gun and start offing people you don't like. I just wish times hadn't changed so much, and smoking wasn't seen as some sin that the worst of the population takes part in. I miss seeing Connery light up a cigarette, especially that first introduction given to the audience in DN. So iconic.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    http://www.exposay.com/smoking-is-prohibited-on-casino-royale-says-007-star-daniel-craig/v/4832/

    Interesting, the same blabble about Heineken and no more "shaken not stirred". I don't even recall seeing Heineken in CR, although it may have been there subtly
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Yes, he did. I suppose he did and didn't have a point with that statement: sure, it's understandable that it's okay for him to blow away bad guys with no problem to younger viewers, and smoking is too harsh...

    ...but, smoking is more readily available (and 1,000x more legal) for younger kids than it would be to acquire a gun and start offing people you don't like. I just wish times hadn't changed so much, and smoking wasn't seen as some sin that the worst of the population takes part in. I miss seeing Connery light up a cigarette, especially that first introduction given to the audience in DN. So iconic.

    Though I dislike the idea of smoking, that scene wouldn't be as iconic otherwise, Whenever I think of refined and classy smoking one person I think of in addition to Bond is Humphrey Bogart. The man who made everything he did look cool.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,393
    I'm not a fan of smoking myself, but it does fit the character. Since he could die at any time, why wouldn't he smoke?
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    Posts: 2,629
    Bond didn't tell Charles Robinson to fetch his shoes in TWINE.
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
    Posts: 2,635
    Kerim wrote:
    Bond didn't tell Charles Robinson to fetch his shoes in TWINE.

    :))
  • GerardGerard
    edited May 2012 Posts: 6,022
    TouchMyButtons wrote:

    Halle Berry's appearance in DAD , not to mention she beats up numerous men who are much larger in size than her.

    The removal of Bond slapping women from Moore onward.


    Can anybody else think of any?

    Moore slapped women too (TMWTGG, anyone ?

    And Tracy beat up a guy who was much larger than she was, not to mention the fact that she outdrove and outskied Bond in the chase scenes.
  • 001001
    Posts: 1,575
    M and moneypenny in brosnans films.
    I hat PCBM
  • SiberiaSiberia
    edited May 2012 Posts: 30
    Well, really the Bond movies have always been politically correct, right back to Dr. No:

    "A lot of things in this film, the sex and violence and so on, if played straight, a) would be objectionable, and b) we're never gonna go past along the censors; but the moment you take the mickey out, put the tongue out in the cheek, it seems to disarm." -Terence Young

    Even though a film like Dr. No may seem like a walloping dose of political incorrectness to us, it went to great pains to tidy up some of the racial politics of the book (Chinese as sadists, etc) as well as some of the more controversial elements that Young mentions in order to present itself to (then) modern audiences. Bond movies are mass entertainment and typically go with the flow.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    Posts: 2,629
    Gerard wrote:
    TouchMyButtons wrote:

    Halle Berry's appearance in DAD , not to mention she beats up numerous men who are much larger in size than her.

    The removal of Bond slapping women from Moore onward.


    Can anybody else think of any?

    Moore slapped women too (TMWTGG, anyone ?

    And Tracy beat up a guy who was much larger than she was, not to mention the fact that she outdrived and outskied Bond in the chase scenes.

    Tracy's own father knocked her out.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,585
    Is Judi Dench being cast a case of political correctness? Or simply reflecting real life (Stella Rimmington).
    And maybe Jeffrey Wright was cast because he was the best actor for the role?

    Just saying.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited May 2012 Posts: 11,189
    NicNac wrote:
    Is Judi Dench being cast a case of political correctness? Or simply reflecting real life (Stella Rimmington).
    And maybe Jeffrey Wright was cast because he was the best actor for the role?

    Just saying.

    Here here.

    Never understood why Judi Dench/female M is criticised (even now). Best M since Bernard Lee. Perhaps even better than Lee?

    As for "political correctness" there's the line Bond says from TND:

    "never argue with a woman...they're always right!"

    So much for being a sexist, mysoganist :p
  • thelordflasheartthelordflasheart
    Posts: 1,370
    NicNac wrote:
    Is Judi Dench being cast a case of political correctness? Or simply reflecting real life (Stella Rimmington).
    And maybe Jeffrey Wright was cast because he was the best actor for the role?

    Just saying.

    How dare you inject logic and common sense into this argument! Have you no sense of decency?!

    It's interesting how there are a (thankfully, very) few people on this site who have, shall we say...very obvious issues with real life that they need to shoehorn into discussions of Bond. The best we can do is try to disarm them with logic, but that doesn't seem to work. I guess ignoring is often best...

  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Well said @thelordflasheart
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117


    Genius. Just about sums up some of the people on here (although this is not exclusivley aimed at Touchmybuttons).
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    I'm very glad someone has finally posted a Stewart Lee video in here.

    If I may...

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    @TheWizardOfice, hilarious, to the point, correct video.

    "I prefer to rely on instincts and blind prejudice!"

    It is true; so many people just rely on what they have heard and learned, whether it is the furthest from the truth or not, and they don't take in said facts, or other people's opinions, especially fundamentalists out there.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited May 2012 Posts: 24,265
    I don't see why turning Felix into a black man means the Bonds are trying to be PC... They'd done the same in NSNA, mind.
  • KennonKennon
    edited May 2012 Posts: 297
    What's this fixation on political correctness and when did it become the great Satan of the hating classes? That's progress, plain and simple. Without it those calling for a back-to-the-good-old-dark-ages would still live in pigsties. Things as Bond slapping women are not in the least in the spirit of Fleming and you won't find such in the books. And the casting of actors like Halle Berry and Jeffrey Wright was primarily a question of having known American names on the cast that would help promote a film that would otherwise be perceived as 'foreign' and have a difficult standing with American audiences. We have to thank that same line of thinking for the appearances of Denise Richards and Tanya Roberts. Never heard complaints about political correctness then. Complaints about everything else, but never PC. Strange, huh???
  • TopGearJB007TopGearJB007
    Posts: 624
    NicNac wrote:
    Is Judi Dench being cast a case of political correctness? Or simply reflecting real life (Stella Rimmington).
    And maybe Jeffrey Wright was cast because he was the best actor for the role?

    Just saying.
    This +1000.
  • actonsteveactonsteve
    Posts: 1,492
    Kennon wrote:
    What's this fixation on political correctness and when did it become the great Satan of the hating classes? That's progress, plain and simple.

    Agreed. Its basically a force for good.

  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
    Posts: 2,341
    I don't call it PC but just updating of the series.
    1971 it was deemed uncool to smoke thus the cigaretts vanished (except for Dalton's films as he tried to emulate the charcter in the book who was a heavy 3 packs a day smoker) Moore smoked cigars but that was his "thing". Brosnan smoking a dog turd in DAD was weird...
    Female M? more supporting cast of "color". No they are updating the series for the 21st century as they tear down racial and sexual barriers. I like Dench and I like Jeffrey as Leiter in the Craig films.
    Slapping women? That went out and just don't see it anymore. Audiences will not accept a hero who physically abuses a woman. okay to kill the bad guys but don't go slapping the lady...
  • DRESSED_TO_KILLDRESSED_TO_KILL Suspended
    Posts: 260
    oh but its okay for the lady to slap a man right?
  • DRESSED_TO_KILLDRESSED_TO_KILL Suspended
    Posts: 260
    actonsteve wrote:
    Kennon wrote:
    What's this fixation on political correctness and when did it become the great Satan of the hating classes? That's progress, plain and simple.

    Agreed. Its basically a force for good.


    Killing , capturing and torturing Jews was politically correct during the Nazi Germany Era but that was basically a force for good according to your previous post.

    Selling your daughter in Iran for your own benefit is politically correct in Iran so thats basically a force for good too I guess according to your previous post.

    Making women cover they're faces and body entirely is politically correct in Iran. so thats a force for good too isn't it?

    Persecuting Chinese who own Bibles in China is politically correct, but I guess thats a force of good too right? ?

This discussion has been closed.