The PIERCE BROSNAN Appreciation thread - Discuss His Life, His Career, His Bond Films

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  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    One of the fittest milfs in the world.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    DrGorner wrote: »
    It's dirty work, but someone's got to do it. :D


    A job I wouldn't hesitate to sign up for.
    :D
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Better late than never. I made this fanart last year before Monica was announced.
    IdERZaol.jpg
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    @Murdock, the genius mind is a rarity, you know? :D
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    @Murdock, the genius mind is a rarity, you know? :D
    @ClarkDevlin, "The successful criminal brain is always superior." ;)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Murdock wrote: »
    @Murdock, the genius mind is a rarity, you know? :D
    @ClarkDevlin, "The successful criminal brain is always superior." ;)
    @Murdock, or... "The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success." ;)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Monica Bellucci would have been perfect for Brosnan. She's an A-class lady who is sexy as hell and Pierce would have been the perfect match for her. At least he is believable as womanizer.

    Of course I'm glad she's got into a Bond movie after all this time, but to think she's in a better era of Bond is laughable. It is a different era.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Monica Bellucci would have been perfect for Brosnan. She's an A-class lady who is sexy as hell and Pierce would have been the perfect match for her. At least he is believable as womanizer.

    Of course I'm glad she's got into a Bond movie after all this time, but to think she's in a better era of Bond is laughable. It is a different era.
    Thank you. Well said.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Better late than never. I made this fanart last year before Monica was announced.
    IdERZaol.jpg

    You're my hero. What a great idea.

    I sure hope Bellucci will not just get wasted like Severine or any other woman in the Craig movies for that matter (except Eva Green of course, but then she elevates everything she's in to a higher level)
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Better late than never. I made this fanart last year before Monica was announced.
    IdERZaol.jpg

    Wow, just perfect. You wpuld be a great addition to Eon's creative team work.
    I loved your poster and Monica looks great with Pierce.

  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    Sorry, fellas. But, like Bond says, "It's a matter of perspective." I do highly believe Monica could have been easily suited in the Brosnan era Bond films when there was a Bond women lusted for. And Miss Bellucci being an ultimate woman to drool over, Brosnan's suave gentleman playboy would have been a perfect match for her.

    Couldn't agree more but anyway if they can't make a Bond film together then they should make a hot heist movie like The Thomas Crown affair with at least three love scenes in it.

    :\"> :x
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Szonana wrote: »
    Sorry, fellas. But, like Bond says, "It's a matter of perspective." I do highly believe Monica could have been easily suited in the Brosnan era Bond films when there was a Bond women lusted for. And Miss Bellucci being an ultimate woman to drool over, Brosnan's suave gentleman playboy would have been a perfect match for her.

    Couldn't agree more but anyway if they can't make a Bond film together then they should make a hot heist movie like The Thomas Crown affair with at least three love scenes in it.

    :\"> :x
    I am scripting a spy franchise of my own with Brosnan in the lead...
    and Lara Pulver as the villainess-turned-good femme fatale. ;)

    It's a classical spy series, by the way, where things are OTT and the lead character is near indestructible, but believable too. Light and no drama, but nevertheless the violent when it's needed.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Monica Bellucci would have been perfect for Brosnan. She's an A-class lady who is sexy as hell and Pierce would have been the perfect match for her. At least he is believable as womanizer.

    Of course I'm glad she's got into a Bond movie after all this time, but to think she's in a better era of Bond is laughable. It is a different era.

    [sarcasm]Yes, it's laughable that the quality of talent in front and behind the camera since 2006 is better than the era of 1995 to 2002 not to mention the significantly greater cultural impact. [/sarcasm]What's really laughable is the inability of some people failing to be objective. If people don't prefer the Craig era then fair play but to say it's not a better era than the period between 95 to 02 is just cuckoo but then again one can only expect such notions from those convinced that CR is a testament to the producers running the series into the ground. Wow.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Szonana wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Better late than never. I made this fanart last year before Monica was announced.
    IdERZaol.jpg

    Wow, just perfect. You wpuld be a great addition to Eon's creative team work.
    I loved your poster and Monica looks great with Pierce.

    Thank you, I'm quite proud of this one. :)

    I need more Brosnan Bond movies in my life. 8->
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Better late than never. I made this fanart last year before Monica was announced.
    IdERZaol.jpg

    Wow, just perfect. You wpuld be a great addition to Eon's creative team work.
    I loved your poster and Monica looks great with Pierce.

    Thank you, I'm quite proud of this one. :)

    I need more Brosnan Bond movies in my life. 8->

    And im glad you're proud of it since you made a wonderful job


  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    Monica Bellucci would have been perfect for Brosnan. She's an A-class lady who is sexy as hell and Pierce would have been the perfect match for her. At least he is believable as womanizer.

    Of course I'm glad she's got into a Bond movie after all this time, but to think she's in a better era of Bond is laughable. It is a different era.
    Thank you. Well said.


    Another one who agrees here.


  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Better late than never. I made this fanart last year before Monica was announced.
    IdERZaol.jpg

    Now that I applauded you for that poster art and rightfully so, where is the bloody movie? Be a nice boy and deliver... :))
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    00Agent wrote: »
    thats an interesting point. But i feel like Monica would have been wasted in such a short role. Hatcher was ok as the "throwaway bond girl"

    I would have loved to see Monica in a bigger part. But i feel like there was no other good female part in Brosnans movies that would have fit her. (except Electra of course, but sophie herself was perfect)

    Now in Spectre on the other hand, this could be a very short afair also, unfortunately since i don't feel like she will survive longer than berenice marlohe.
    But i am definitly glad that we have her anyway, and now she has quite an interesting position as the oldest bond girl. i hope they do her justice. Trailer (and WOTW music video) looks very good so far

    Well i read somewhere that she actually also auditioned for The world is not enough, i don't know what happened there but what about instead of Denisse and christmas Jones we would have Gotten Monica as the Good girl and Sophie as the villain.

    Sure a big look alike between these two gorgeous woman but who cares


  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    Szonana wrote: »

    Well i read somewhere that she actually also auditioned for The world is not enough, i don't know what happened there but what about instead of Denisse and christmas Jones we would have Gotten Monica as the Good girl and Sophie as the villain.

    Sure a big look alike between these two gorgeous woman but who cares

    Its a nice idea. I could imagine her playing the role similar to her role in tears of the sun, that would have been quite different from Denise richards but thats a good thing right?! :D

    But then i would have exchanged the girl in the PTS boat chace since she is a bit similar in looks to Monica. They could have given that role instead to richards. i for one would have loved to see how she blows herself up.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    00Agent wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »

    Well i read somewhere that she actually also auditioned for The world is not enough, i don't know what happened there but what about instead of Denisse and christmas Jones we would have Gotten Monica as the Good girl and Sophie as the villain.

    Sure a big look alike between these two gorgeous woman but who cares

    Its a nice idea. I could imagine her playing the role similar to her role in tears of the sun, that would have been quite different from Denise richards but thats a good thing right?! :D

    But then i would have exchanged the girl in the PTS boat chace since she is a bit similar in looks to Monica. They could have given that role instead to richards. i for one would have loved to see how she blows herself up.

    I have nothing against Denisse and i dont complain of her appearance but no, we get rid of her and actually find another one who even looks more like them( Sophie and Monica).
    If some complain The Brosnan flicks were silly well at least keep audiences confused and trying to figure out who is the good Bond Girl and who is the bad one.


    Many audiences with Schindlers list spent a long time confused on why schindler was hitting his maid if he was suppoused to be a good guy.

    So why not confuse the audiences in the Bond flicks as well ?
    and now that we are at this the next Bond girls in Bond 25 should be Keira Knightley and Natalie Portman.




  • Mark_HazzardMark_Hazzard Classified
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    @doubleoego, for an "objective" person you do seem to hold quite a grudge against the Brosnan-era... What are you even doing here on the appreciation-thread?

    They should have kept the level of GE right? At least Brosnan tried his part by for instance requesting Monica Belucci instead of Teri Hatcher. The guy kept asking for more talent all the time. He even wanted to do the "back-to-the-roots" Casino Royale.

    Fortunately EON has learned that the increase in talent increases BO as well. I find it harsh of you to blame Broz and his era for it, while it is part of an evolutionary process IMHO. We are blessed with the increasing amount of talent joining the franchise.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    @doubleoego, for an "objective" person you do seem to hold quite a grudge against the Brosnan-era... What are you even doing here on the appreciation-thread?

    They should have kept the level of GE right? At least Brosnan tried his part by for instance requesting Monica Belucci instead of Teri Hatcher. The guy kept asking for more talent all the time. He even wanted to do the "back-to-the-roots" Casino Royale.

    Fortunately EON has learned that the increase in talent increases BO as well. I find it harsh of you to blame Broz and his era for it, while it is part of an evolutionary process IMHO. We are blessed with the increasing amount of talent joining the franchise.

    Of course I have a grudge against the Brosnan era because it was largely mediocre and generic. The reason why I'm in this thread is because it's a Brosnan appreciation thread. I have nothing against the man. Brosnan was a good Bond and had flourishes of excellence that he'd convey every now and again but aside from GE the movies in his era lacked...significantly and did him no credible favours. He should have been given better talent and material to work with and tge fact that he wasn't after the critical and financial acclaim of GE is shocking.
  • Mark_HazzardMark_Hazzard Classified
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    In that case I agree on the part that he should have been given better talent to work with.

    Then again I personally feel that the DC movies after CR never matched that level, despite the increase in talent. It's almost as if CR is the GE of DC's era. Could it have been the director? Or was it the writing?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @Mark_Hazzard
    and to whom it may concern


    Brosnan gets bashed "objectively" all the time in countless threads.
    Sometimes his era or he himself even get downright insulted, sometimes in the most primitive way and there is never any outrage about it.

    Fact is, the Craig era had much, much bigger budget from the get-go. The production values of the movies are incredible and the casting is even better than in the Brosnan-era.

    The "objective" people here tend to forget or overlook that fact when comparing the Craig-era to the Brosnan-era.
    Furthermore why always compare Brosnan to Craig? And seldom to Dalton or Moore?
    One could think the outspoken Craig-fans have some inferiority complex and have to constantly ridicule Brosnan to make themselves more assured how fabulous the Craig-era is.

    "Objectively" speaking the Craig-era has produced one truly great movie with Casino Royale which is obviously as loved as GE in general.
    QOS certainly is nowhere near as good (overall) as TND, again "objectively" speaking.
    Skyfall is more or less a remake of TWINE and certainly better despite its many plot holes. Again mainly because of much better production values.

    I can't see how the Craig-era is so much better than the Brosnan-era. It's just adjusted to the kind of movies we are getting these days (since the mid-00's) who are in general much more expensive and look much better than 90's movies.

    The standards are much higher today. Can you imagine someone like Roger Moore being Bond nowadays and getting away with it??
    Funnily enough that can be seen but not that the same applies for Brosnan.
    He may have pulled it off, he does have acting talent, but I'm not certain, but then it's unimportant as he was the 90's Bond.

    Craig has set a new standard, but not because of himself, but because he happens to be in the Bond movies that are by far the most expensive and look the best.
    Now imagine how high the quality of those movies could go if the stories were as good as in the 60's.

    Of course that is all just my opinion and while this may be shared by some it certainly will get plucked to pieces by others. That's alright. Everybody is entitled to his opinion.
    Just make sure next time someone dares to criticise the Craig-era you give them the same courtesy.

    Personally I want to add that Brosnan even isn't my favourite actor in the series.
    That's Dalton.
    But I can't just stand by and let all this bashing happen without fighting it. And yes, would this be Moore or Dalton instead of Brosnan, I would do the same thing for them!
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    In that case I agree on the part that he should have been given better talent to work with.

    Then again I personally feel that the DC movies after CR never matched that level, despite the increase in talent. It's almost as if CR is the GE of DC's era. Could it have been the director? Or was it the writing?

    You are correct in that assessment. CR is the GE of this era. Campbell having directed both maybe is a coincidence, maybe not.
    High production value can only disguise so much failings. QOS is testament to that. Still, even that movie has its fans. So does DAF (just to name one other that seems to be at the bottom of lists regularly).

    The main challenge for the critics of Skyfall is its billion dollar box office. Can so many people be wrong? Yes and no. Avatar was so much more successful than SF, does it mean it is better than Skyfall?? But such train of thoughts are hurtful for some I believe.

    Well, I have said my things now :P it won't change anything.
    It still is 90% fun to be here and the many insights on this franchise one gets by reading all that stuff that people contribute here is fabulous.
    :)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I agree that CR & GE are the best Bond films of the past 20 yrs (by far!). I'm sure Campbell had a lot to do with that (it's too much of a coincidence to say otherwise).

    Having said that, there is a distinct difference between these two films imho:
    -DC makes CR. The supporting performances are exceptional no doubt, but at its core, it is DC's performance that makes that film. Absolutely no holds bar genius acting to rival Connery as screen Bond. It actually almost brings a tear to my eye how good it is.
    -PB does not make GE imho. He exists in it and is good in it, but the supporting cast elevate that film. I think that is clear to a lot of people who aren't invested in this franchise. Having said that, GE was his best performance as Bond (imho). I used to think it was DAD, but that view changed in my recent Bondathon. He is much more 'Bondian' in GE, while he is more 'Brosnan', but more confident in DAD.

    In terms of production values, script and cast, that's neither here nor there for me. Moore had to act with some real idiots in his time, but he still 'brought' it in every way for every film.......and yes, a young Roger Moore can make a Bond film today and it will bring in the audiences like you wouldn't believe......there is no substitute for movie star charisma and Roger Moore has that in spades, like Downey Jr. Just look at him acting in films next to legends like Greg Peck, David Niven or Richard Burton........he holds his own brilliantly.

    I agree that both PB and DC (at least it appears so to date) peaked creatively and in terms of their acting performance with their first film - that to me is not in question. I hope that DC can reverse that with SP.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @bondjames

    Charisma is very important. I agree on the young Moore, maybe I was too harsh with that assessment that he could not pull it off today.

    But then Brosnan has charisma in spades as well imo.

    Craig is lacking in that department imo.

    I feel very differently about CR. DC makes that movie?? I think it's the other way around.
    CR makes DC.
    CR would have worked with another actor as well.
    If CR would have been mediocre or a mess like QOS, Craig would never had become popular.
    The only actor so far who made a movie was Connery, he had it all and that's why he is generally viewed as the best.

    But take away Eva Green from CR and you get a movie half as good. She is that good, she steals every scene and every movie she's starring in. That's what I call an actress that makes a movie. I wish they would find a male Eva Green as the next Bond.

    Brosnan's performances are evolving through his four movies (as did Moore's).
    I agree that Brosnan seems just to play himself in DAD.
    Imo his best performance was in TWINE but that gets overshadowed by what must be the worst directing so far in the franchise.
    Overall I like his performance in TND the best, in GE he sometimes seems to be nervous, you can clearly see which scenes he had to shoot first. But that is understandable having the weight of the fate of the franchise on his shoulders.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @BondJasonBond006, not to turn this into a CR thread, but I really think DC in CR is one of the best performances in a 'spy' film ever. Sure, Eva Green chews scenery in any film she's in, but in most of the movies I have watched her in she completely dominates everyone else with her presence, let alone her acting (and that includes Penny Dreadful).

    That is not the case in CR..........DC tames her quite clearly, in the film and in reality. To hold one's own against Eva Green, not to mention deliver a performance of the calibre he did in CR, borders on genius imho. It's the subtle aspects to his performance (there are so many) that elevate that film. Everything else is excellent but without DC that film isn't going anywhere. PB did not do that with the similarly charismatic Scorpuco in GE imho (she clearly overshadowed him in their scenes together).

    So no, I don't think CR would have worked half as well with any other actor.....including any of the previous Bond actors except maybe a young Connery (if the writing was adjusted). DC is the only actor since Connery to make a Bond film imho and that is why he silenced his critics.

    Having said that, and since he has been nowhere near as good since (imho), I put that down to Martin Campbell being able to bring the best out of him. I hope Mendes, in his 2nd crack, can do the same.

    Yes folks, I realize this is a PB and not a DC appreciation thread, but I had to get this in.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @BondJasonBond006, not to turn this into a CR thread, but I really think DC in CR is one of the best performances in a 'spy' film ever. Sure, Eva Green chews scenery in any film she's in, but in most of the movies I have watched her in she completely dominates everyone else with her presence, let alone her acting (and that includes Penny Dreadful).

    That is not the case in CR..........DC tames her quite clearly, in the film and in reality. To hold one's own against Eva Green, not to mention deliver a performance of the calibre he did in CR, borders on genius imho. It's the subtle aspects to his performance (there are so many) that elevate that film. Everything else is excellent but without DC that film isn't going anywhere.

    So no, I don't think CR would have worked half as well with any other actor.....including any of the previous Bond actors except maybe a young Connery (if the writing was adjusted). DC is the only actor since Connery to make a Bond film imho and that is why he silenced his critics.

    Having said that, and since he has been nowhere near as good since (imho), I put that down to Martin Campbell being able to bring the best out of him. I hope Mendes, in his 2nd crack, can do the same.

    Yes folks, I realize this is a PB and not a DC appreciation thread, but I had to get this in.

    I don't see anything wrong with wondering from one topic to another every now and then. ;;)

    While I'm still convinced every Bond actor (except Connery) is/was exchangeable I agree on Daniel Craig giving a good performance in CR. Campbell's directing abilities are to thank for that I guess.
    Maybe some of his subtle aspects of his performance are too subtle for me to see though, but then that's my failing :P

    And now back to strictly Brosnan I guess :))

    After my Connery/Moore Bondathon I will do the Brosnan/Dalton/Craig Bondathon.

    It will be interesting to experience those movies in that order and I can imagine adjusting my opinion on Brosnan and Craig as I have promised to view them without prejudice or favouritism.

    Sometimes I see things with a romantically glorified view. Being 21 when GE hit the theaters I was at the right age for such movies and many good memories go with those films.
    Later in life, when one is maybe a bit more worldly-wise and/or sarcastic, movies don't have the same impact anymore.

    Pierce Brosnan was a favourite of mine long before Bond. I was the hugest Remington Steele fan and I even skipped classes regularly just to catch the latest episode on TV as Steele was shown in late afternoons here :P
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    It's interesting, but I have never watched an episode of Remington Steele (I was always a 'Moonlighting' man back in the day......David Addison all the way baby...or should I say Maddy Hayes....or is that Burt Viola and Agnes Dipesto).

    So I have something to look forward to I guess. I'll buy a set and check it out. Looking forward to it because I've heard good things about RS.
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